Talk:Gesellschaft zur Erhaltung alter und gefährdeter Haustierrassen

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Started editing some news and extensions. Try to find links without the organisation, to verify their work. Therefore this was only a short trial to improve this stub. 23 June 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DA:43D9:BD00:99FD:E987:1F57:22A0 (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC) "This livestock-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." should be deleted. Obviously there is no small expansion desired, which could make this article better but is not perfect. Therefore I changed only an obvious mistake in the article and let do the other work perfectionists. 24 June 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DA:43D9:BD00:24E3:6B9C:C444:DA68 (talk) 17:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I know that adding an English translation of the organization name is redundant at the moment, but translation of title is appropriate, how about we do it this way (article will not always be a stub), italicize other foreign language terms. Montanabw (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've put it as a footnote, in case the meaning is not completely obvious from the opening sentence. No italics for proper names, MOS:ETY. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Good. However, there should be something short in English for a redirect (Association for the conservation of animal breeds?), and that should show bold in the lead. How would a reader find this article otherwise? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If I could find any evidence that this organisation had or used an English name, I'd already have included it, and would probably have used it as the article title. But I can't. I think that, mostly, people will have to find it by following links, though I've created a couple of redirects. I'm also thinking about the navbox suggestion that made on my talk page - that might work too. Anyway, any and all suggestions are welcome; I just don't myself like making up English names for things when they don't have them, or when they have little traction in reliable sources. I prefer in those cases to follow the "Portuguese for Brazilian towns" guideline.
 * Gerda, are you able to see easily what type of organisation this is, and add that to the infobox? I read German only slowly, and it didn't immediately spring to my eye. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume it has no English name, but there should be some sort a of a redirect for the search function, so that it is found by people looking for conservation of breeds. It's an association, de:Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts (Deutschland), French etc but not English yet, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes, navboxes and a redirect could cover the situation. Gerda, glad to see a native German speaker here.  Livestock Conservancy and Rare Breeds Survival Trust are equivalent US and UK organizations.  They do very interesting work.  All of which, incidentally, has a tangential bearing on the landrace article, where I believe SMC and myself have reached some form of detente, I hope. Incidentally, though I guess I do agree that there is no "official" English translation and hence the existing title is probably appropriate, nonetheless the name is a mouthful for the non-German-speaking English reader, hence, a small, discreet translation somewhere in the lead (or an infobox) may fit under "... If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader."  Not as a title, though.    Montanabw (talk)  18:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

By way of analogy, how would we deal with an organistation whose name was Chinese, or Japanese, or some such, and not in a language that used the western alphabet? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The MOS is pretty clear that we transcribe into English. But on this one, I think there IS a gray area unless someone can locate an "official" English name.  We have International Federation for Equestrian Sports (French: Fédération Équestre Internationale, FEI), but we also (correctly) have Spanish Riding School (German: Spanische Hofreitschule), but in contrast, based on use in English language works, I believe it is also correct that we have  Cadre Noir, Haras Nationaux (some argument for "National" maybe) and Yeguada Militar, (which it is also called in English language horse books, even though it translates (en: Military Stud). My take is to have a translation, but I'm not going to hold my breath until I turn blue about titling here.  Montanabw (talk)  06:45, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I'm used to seeing Confédération Mondiale des Activités Subaquatiques, not "World Underwater Federation" or similar, because no English version is in common use - we're all used to saying "CMAS" (see-mass) - and that's an international body. For a subject like GEH, which is very much a national body, I doubt we're likely to see a common English translation in use among sources, so I'd go with the German title (unless and until a consistent English name shows up regularly in our sources). Best not to hold your breath waiting for that. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 21:16, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I figured as such. I think the only question was whether to add an English translation AFTER the name in bold at the beginning, which at the moment is rather-redundant-dsounding given the length of the organization's name.   Montanabw (talk)  04:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The rule of thumb for bold alternate titles is that they should be a good redirect, i.e. a likely search term. The bold is there to re-assure anyone who searches for something that they are at the right place, even when the article title is different from the search term. At the moment I just can't imagine folks searching for GEH using a translated English name. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * english Translation: http://www.g-e-h.de/geh/index.php/impressum --> The Society for the Conservation of Old and Endangered Livestock Breeds (GEH) (never heard or seen anywhere else)
 * type of organisation: e. V. --> Eingetragener Verein --PigeonIP (talk) 13:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I do have another problem with: GEH is the German national association for the conservation of historic and endangered domestic animal breeds or do I missunderstand the text? --PigeonIP (talk) 08:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * GEH is a NGO, "national" implies to me, that it is an governmental organisation
 * "the" implies it is the only one: there are other societies in Germany with the same goal:
 * de:Vielfältige Initiative zur Erhaltung alter und gefährdeter Haustierrassen (VIEH)
 * de:ProSpecieRara, including plants, founded in Switzerland, also has a German branch
 * http://www.prospecierara.ch --> "Schweizerische Stiftung für die kulturhistorische und genetische Vielfalt von Pflanzen und Tieren"
 * http://www.prospecierara.de --> "Gemeinnützige Gesellschaft für die kulturhistorische und genetische Vielfalt von Pflanzen und Tieren in Deutschland"

Bronze turkey
delinking Bronze turkey, because --PigeonIP (talk) 12:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Bronze turkey (US) = de:Amerikanische Pute, bronzefarbig = fr: Dindon bronzé d'Amérique (commons:Category:American Bronze)
 * Cambridge bronze (GB) (maybe commons:File:Getting ready for Christmas, Errigle - geograph.org.uk - 1046802.jpg)
 * Bronzepute = Deutsche Pute, bronze (D) = fr:Dindon bronzé allemand (commons:Category:Bronzepute)

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