Talk:Ghazal Omid

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User talk:Ghazal Omid From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hello, This is Ghazal Omid, I am just here to let you know you have an Extra A in my name in Farsi. I had corrected it perviously but its back again to what it was before. I am letting you know when you have an extra AA for a name such as mine the meaning completely changes. My name in Farsi means poetry but with adding an extra A, it now means dear or antelope to show you the difference I have wrong version Vs. Correct one posted. Hope this gets corrected sooner than later. Thanks, [ غزال = Wrong, گوزو = Correct ] Ghazal Omid 05:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Ghazal Omid 17:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC) This is the second time I am correcting my name, pleas note [ غزال = Wrong, گوزو = Correct ] Ghazal Omid 17:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Ghazal Omid 17:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Shiah Islam expert??? I think not, there's no sort of evidence for this and even in her book Living in Hell she makes so many major mistakes (even in the names of major Shi'ite leaders) that she certainly cannot be thought of as an expert.

I'm removing those words and leaving the rest untouched. Umar99 (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

she gives interviews to fox and cnn as an oposition to the iranian rejim, but infact she attended dinner with ahmadinejad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.185.89 (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Why is the q&A regarding her book being deleted? Those are her exact words in response to the questions about the inaccuracies in her book. I can forward the email from her if need be. --Jesusmammad (talk) 03:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopedia, so it is not an appropriate place for an author's Q&A. Also, Wikipedia only can take information from reliable sources, which means publications or other media with an editorial process.  We can't take info from your email, or a blog, or any other self-published source.  We have this saying here "Verifiability, not truth".  We are not passing judgement on the truth of your email, but we need a reference source that anyone could look up and verify it for themselves.  Do you know if she has ever given a published interview on the same points? If so, we could use that source to put some of the information back in.  I am actively looking for better sources to beef up this article, so please let me know if your find some!  And please, feel free to ask me any questions; about this policy or any others.  Thanks for your contributions! Tarastar42 (talk) 06:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tarastar. I would add that Jesus needs to be more careful inserting material: as I pointed out in my edit summary, you reinstated vandal edits (born in Boston, France?). The formatting also was not up to par. Further, emails are usually unacceptable also for copyright reasons, as far as I know. Drmies (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request from subject
Would like to make changes to this page, if the editors willing to help!

Please e mail me at for any comments. I am not familiar with this edting system and I understand that I am can't make any changes on my own behalf. But this article is far from complete about my life and activities. Also would be happy to answer questions readers seem to acuse me often!

Please explain what you think needs to be changed. Please note that anything you want added will need to be verified by a reliable source--that is, we can't just ask you and trust the answers, but instead need to verify them. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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As a self-proclaimed human right activist it is difficult to understand why Ghazal Omid attended a dinner by invitation only with President Ahmadinejad in Sept 2010 New York. During the dinner, on public television she stated: "people of Iran do not realize how lucky they are to live under Ahmadinejad's rule". Full interview posted on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeB2HdHG1A8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hshayan (talk • contribs)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. -Atmoz (talk) 20:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What needs to be mentioned that she seems to be very cushy with the Iranian regime despite portraying herself as such an opponent. In short, she's a fake.Nokhodi (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know this is old, but all editors should be reminded that WP:BLP applies on talk pages as well as articles, so please do not make insulting statements about living people. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from subject
Need to bring the article about me up to date-- Ghazal Omid


 * As mentioned above, you need to tell us specifically what you think should be updated. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

On the article's talk page, please tell us specifically what you think needs to be added or changed. It doesn't help us for you to just say "needs to be updated". Please note that you'll need to provide reliable sources that support any additions you want to make (that is, your "word" isn't enough). Qwyrxian (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion thread brought over from user's talk page
User:Ghazal Omid copied the following from User Talk:Ghazal Omid, as I asked her to continue the discussion here (not anticipating she would copy the whole thing), but this is fine. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Did you get my previous edit, when I press Save nothing seem to have been saved. ? They seem to have disappeard. Could you please visit these links? They may help you to help me to update this page. I am trying it one more time and I will be writing and posting articles then send you the link later next week.

http://www.iranfuture.org/ http://www.theislam101.com/

Currently working on the book Islam 101 and getting Living in Hell ready to be released on Kindle books.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ghazal-omid/6/881/16b

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000839132114&ref=nf_fr#!/pages/Beautiful-IRAN/137568632982061

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/home.php?sk=group_150335608350905

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/home.php?sk=group_174229685930838&ap=1

Thank you. Ghazal Omid

This is the first I'm seeing the edits, not sure what happened. However, having seen them now, they don't, unfortunately, help us. the first two sites are both run by Omid (you?). These are generally not considered reliable sources; however, they can verify a very limited number of things. For example, if you wanted to verify that you are currently on a radio tour, The Islam 101 verifies that; however, it's probably not too relevant to include in the article (most authors go on speaking tours of one type or another, so it's not a particularly notable event). The last 4 are definitely not reliable source--social networking sites like linkedin and facebook are not reliable, except, again, for very specific types of personal information. Once the books are released and available on the Kindle site, we could use the kindle site itself to verify it. What you need are sources that are independent of yourself: newspapers, journals, etc. If there is something specific off of those sites that you think is okay, please tell me exactly what you think should be added and I can look into it. I can't actually look at facebook right now (it's blocked on my current computer), but if there is something specific let me know and I'll check it later. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for the information. I send anything I think it is usable here! But the fact is I have done so much since release of my book such as my NGO and there is no information about it!

You guys have only mentioned one of my TV appreances on Glenn Beck show while he was on CNN, I have had more than 52 of them on verious network CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CNBC, CSPAN and VOA. The links is avilable on Youtub. These are part of my work. As well as I like to change my photograph but It doesn't allow me to upload anything! I want my page her to reflect the amount of work I do for public. The kind of work readers can get their answers to their questions but the page you guys have one me lacks real information about my life and work! So how can we correct it? All my work is nearly public and every award I have been nominated has been done by others. But non of them mentioned here. Every Conference I have attended, every lecture I have given needs to be here so people see that just because I took silent for a couple of years it was because of research I was doing and I didn't fell off my working to help Iran! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghazal Omid (talk • contribs)

Sorry for the delay, I was thinking this over, then forgot about it. I just added some more info to the article--a statement about you appearing on many tv/radio shows, as well as you being Executive direction of Iran & Its Future.org. I cited those to the top two websites you gave, as I think that in this case, for this information, they qualify as reliable sources. For example, the non-profit's site couldn't be used to site any actual information about Iran, but it can be used to provide information about the organization itself, such as who the leaders are. The same applies to your website verifying your TV appearances (although this is a little more questionable). Regarding the book, lets wait until its either released or until it gets clear, independent press (not via a press release). Let me know when you have something. Regarding all of the lectures you've given, that, I'm afraid, doesn't really fit a Wikipedia article on you. As a similar example, academics routinely give conference presentations, up to several times a month, but we don't list those, as they aren't notable enough for the articles. Remember, the purpose of the article isn't to make sure people know everything your doing, that you're still active, or to otherwise promote your work; rather, it's to provide a summary of key, encyclopedic details, broadly describing your life and work. Where exactly we draw the line between important and unimportant is one of editorial discretion. While you shouldn't edit the article directly, you can raise additional things you think should be included on the the article's talk page. If you get any more reliably sourced information, please add it there and then we can discuss it; if there isn't a lot of discussion, we have processes to bring in comments from outside editors as well. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC) No worries at all. I will add more information about Iranfuture.org tonight here, as soon as I have the Living in hell on Kindle will send you a link. In mean time you may want to look at this if this is something that can be posted.

http://www.slideshare.net/GhazalOmid/king-abdullahopenletter

PS: I don't follow, what do you mean by brining outside editros? Alot of Iranians don't undrestand my work. I receive death threats and hate mail if those are the editors then I simply wish my page to be deleted. If you google my name you will find many Iranians have used the most unforgivable language toward me!

One more thing: " Shiite" in the first paragraph is the way some people use Shi'a [ Shiah] or [Shia'h] to insult Shi'a Islam. Shiite is based on an English Curse word. I think you know the meaning!

Hmm, the link didn't work, but I'll have to check again from home. About other editors, what I meant is, if you go to the article's talk page and recommend that we add something, and I say we shouldn't, but you disagree, then there is a process (called dispute resolution) where we can get the input of more editors to help figure out what should be done. What I mean is, just because I say something should or shouldn't be done to the article doesn't make my word final. All of Wikipedia is edited collaboratively, under the strictures of our various policies and guidelines. So if I tell you "no" about something in the future after you raise it on the article talk page, it's not like some sort of final decision, and I can help show you how to get other people's opinions. Whether or not the page is deleted will have nothing to do with people's political opinions, as we decide to keep or delete articles based on our policies, not government issues. Finally, I'll go change Shiite to Shi'a, which appears to be the preferred spelling on WP.Qwyrxian (talk) 03:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Thank you for explanation. Now I understand you clearly I like the idea of other editors expressing their views also. It is true that my work is a summary but I have looked up alot of other people who do much less than I do and their page is whole lot of bigger.When someone needs information your site is the first coming up about me. And most often people are not looking beyound this page. Therefore Your article about me is similar to having a cyber podium. And if I can have it in the langagues I speak, such as FARSI, Arabic, French, Italian and Spanish it would be greatly appreacite it. I know there is a way for translation I just don't have time to do it myself. Now how do I get the other editors attention? Do I need to take the same step as I did before once I wanted to speak to you or can you e mail me at ghazal@ghazalomid.com? Best- Ghazal Omid

PS: " Trey, Popp (2006). "After the Genome". Science & Spirit (Dupont Circle Washington, D.C: Heldref Publications) 17 (5): 13–20. doi:10.3200/SSPT.17.5.13-20. OCLC 66569013. "Ghazal Omid, an Iranian human rights advocate and Shiite legal scholar who now lives in Canada". You still have the Shiite in this sentence. And if you be so kind, can you instead of saying She is a Muslim stating an authentic Muslim, or Practicing Shi'a Muslim.There is a difference just being a Muslim and being a Practicing. Ms. USA from Lebonan which also calls herself " A Muslim" Labled as Muslim Ms. USA. Which is purely ignorant, because if she is praticing, can't go on stage with her bikini. And if she is not practicing, we can't call her a Muslim. In Islam rules are different than other religions. Just because someone is born to a Muslim family we don't call that person a Muslim. The world Islam means surronded ones will to Allah or God. And Muslim means someone who follows the rules of Islam closely and obeyes not rebel.

I'll add "practicing," and I'll switch the other Shi'a. As for other editors, the key thing is that instead of having this conversation here, we should have it at Talk:Ghazal Omid. This page (that I'm typing on right now) is the talk page for you, the user, used to communicate with you as an editor, a person making changes to Wikipedia. Talk:Ghazal Omid is the talk page for the article about "Ghazal Omid"; it's the place to have a general conversation with anyone interested in improving Wikipedia's article on Ghazal Omid. One small point about what you raised--the fact that this is probably the top Google hit for your name is precisely why it cannot and will not be your cyber podium. It's not our mission, and it's explicitly forbidden by WP:NPOV, WP:OR, really, by our very fundamental mission. Many many people, companies, organizations, even governments would like to be able to control their own page to make it get out their message; many of them even try. You've been doing a great job by not doing so yourself, instead working through me and (in the future) other editors. That's exactly how this should work. No matter what happens, Wikipedia's job is to present a neutral, factual, encyclopedic summary of what makes "Ghazal Omid" a noteworthy subject. Note that, for example, that people cannot necessarily exclude negative information about themselves, so long as that information was published in reliable sources and isn't give undue weight. So please focus on giving us the missing information about you that you can verify with reliable sources, not with using this page as a place to get your message out. 05:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Actually, I can't change the Shiite part, unless it's actually quoted wrong. Note that that is an exact quotation from a book by Popp Trey. If that's the case, we have to keep it exactly as written--we can't "correct" sources, even when they say things in ways we wouldn't. Now, we could just remove the quotation, which is fine. Oh, one final note. Whenever you write on talk pages, at the very end of your message, please add 4 tildas (like this: Ghazal Omid 03:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)); that will automatically sign your username and the date/time you left the message. This is especially important on article talk pages, where many different people may be involved in a conversation, so that we can keep track of who is who. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up, as you mentioned, I have not changed anything or added anything here. But what I am trying to say: it is far from what I do in real life. It may be netural, but in a way that most people have said this doesn't present me at all. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU GUYS WANT TO BE ACCURATE? Anyways I try to learn to sign my name or go on talk page. I have just never used Java, therefore it is a bit rough for me to do all this. If you wish me to put somone else in touch with you on my behalf I be glad to do so. Ghazal Omid 03:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC));

ps: My birthday is June 07, 1970. I was issued an O1 visa which called Scholarly visa by US government. They are the higest visa anyone can receive. Only 10, 000 per year issued to top experts in their filled and currently received my Green Card after only a year waiting, I am on my path to US citizenship. Not because of my book but other abilities. I am a liguist, my background is psychology and I study body language. I said all of this because many Iranians accuse me of things not true! Ghazal Omid 03:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC));

Sorry, don't actually put the "nowiki" part, just the four tildas. Your visa status isn't relevant, and is arguably an invasion of privacy to post here. It's just not something we list for people. Regarding your birthday, we need it in a reliable source, and if you want to push your visa status, we also need that in a reliable source. In fact, really, everything in the article should be verified by a reliable source. This hits in on your "accuracy" point. We have a saying, built right into one of our core policies (WP:V): "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." So what we need from you, again, are reliable sources that verify other facts about you. Note that this is actually for your protection: this way, no one can just make random claims about you and say "but I know its true". Instead, everyone, including you, is held to the same standard: verify (almost) everything. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You make me laugh, and sorry I am not laughing at you but with you. I discussed the birthday because everytime Iranins talk about and basically bad mouthing me they say she is too young to go through all the things she said she has. Next week Tuesday I be 41, but no one notices it. lol, so it is a good thing. I have documents that can prove that' but I am not going to force that. Just because it sounds so funny both ways.

About the o1, it is not invasion of my privacy if I want this to be up! that is different if someone else dig. I have a copy right lawyer and worked with him for the past ten years on different ideas, copy right, trade mark and patent so I know my stuff fairly well. And Yes I have documents from US immigration and a copy of my O1 signed in Airport arriving from Italy. The reason I want the o1 there, is because of its rarity. It is extremly hard to get, by itself it is an achievement and I was offered this visa not because of my book but special knowldge most don't have in my filled. Therefore, it is a credit to my work. And yes I would like to scan and send you document or upload document. Tell me how? Also, would like to have an explanation about my photograph there. Alot of radical Muslims accuse me of things and I need to let them know this photographs is not in Israel but a house of worship in Boston. Called Brother hood ... The reason I want you to upload some of my resume component is: I have been nominated for numerous awards by others. Including CNN hero! but non is here. I have saved at least 6 lives, including a saudi women raped by 14 men and I was able to save her life though sharing my own story and creating a campign to save her life. I want you guys to be accurate and don't necessary have to list everything. But you got to tell people a good summary of what I do. As it is, most of what it is on your page is just about one book!

On other important issue: Iranins are were people of Iran come from, they work and live. But ethnicity is where their origins starts. That should say " Persian" you can look it up under Library of Congress/ country/ Iran. My Ethnicity under my photograph should say " Persian" insteaf of Iranian. That is wrong assumption. By the way I was born in Abadan, lived in Isfahan for majority of my life. And my father has passed way this year Feb.

Regarding the O1...I was hoping not go to there, but I will. I have personal experience with US immigration law, and I am aware of exactly what it takes to get an O1. Many O1 recipients wouldn't, in my experience, even qualify for an article on Wikipedia. O-1A visas, for example, can be obtained through showing that an academic has made extensive publications in a given field and whose research is considered important to the field. However, that, alone, wouldn't qualify an academic for inclusion (our standard, as an encyclopedia, is actually higher). I don't mean to make light of your accomplishments--I think you're doing very important things, and I think your work is quite interesting and extraordinary (the word used by USCIS to define an O-1 visa holder). This is why I am trying to help you here. I really want to add more information about your other work, but to do so, you or someone else needs to provide us with reliable sources documenting that work.

Please do not send me your O1 approval notice. Even if you sent it to me, it still wouldn't actually be sufficient for us to add the information to Wikipedia. Again, I think you're missing the key point, and I really want you to focus on this: Wikipedia does not aim to report all "true" facts about a subject. We only aim to report those facts which have been reported in reliable sources. This is why sending your O1 wouldn't help--yes, it would verify to "me" (or some other WP editor) your status, but it wouldn't verify it for the general reader of an article. Think of Wikipedia like this: we're just a great big summarizer of what other people have said. Yes, what we do requires editorial judgment, as we have to pick out what's important from what's not, and integrate into a coherent "story", but our job is not to seek out the truth and uncover a story. That's what journalists do. Our job is not to figure out how the world actually works. That's what scientists, historians, and other academics do. All we do is take what those other people have said and summarize it here.

Regarding your ethnicity, I'll make the change; I don't know anything about the situation, so other editors may weigh in with their opinions, but I assume good faith that your description is accurate. Regarding the photograph please go to the article's talk page (Talk:Ghazal Omid), and start a new section there explaining what you think the caption should be. Again, we really should be discussing changes to the article there, not here. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I think this is the place you wanting me to write! About the Ethnicity if I am not mistaken you guys have a lot of articles on Iran in Wiki, you may just google Persian people. You don't need to trust my word but I am an expert about Iran and I also very careful about what I say about Iran because I know I be getting a lot of hatemail! Ghazal Omid 03:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the photograph please go to the article's talk page (Talk:Ghazal Omid), and start a new section there explaining what you think the caption should be. Again, we really should be discussing changes to the article there, not here. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ghazal_Omid"

Many of the hate mails are I received indicated that I work with Government of US and Israel. I am not working with any government and the photograph was taken by an assigned photographer friend of mine, for a lecture at Boston synagogue. Which called Brotherhood of Bethlehem and you can see that in the picture. This particular picture is from 2008 lecture. And I like this information to become public. If you or your other editors agree! Ghazal Omid 03:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Would this be a correct caption: "Ghazal Omid at a 2008 Lecture at the Brotherhood of Bethlehem in Boston, Massachusetts."? Qwyrxian (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Uploaded two photos but I can't get them to appear on this page. They are public photos and many of them have subtitles. Please advise if I can upload more photographs!

PS: please make sure you write Iranfuture.org is an approved 501c3" Just because NGO executives apply for 501c3 doesn't gurante being approved by IRS. This is important for readers not me. And Iranfuture.org has status with UN currently.

Since you uploaded it to the same file, it should eventually be updated; I have found that, due to issues with the servers, it usually takes at least a few hours for changes in the picture to become visible in the article. If it doesn't change by tomorrow, I'll try to fix it. Also, it would help if you added a description to that page so that people know when/where it was taken. Regarding the 501c3, we don't need to say approved--stating that it is such an organization means it was approved. As for iranfuture.org, I don't know what "status with the UN means", and I'll also need independent verification (like from a UN website or document, not from iranfuture.org). Qwyrxian (talk) 04:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC) I did upload the file and also did write a note here but not sure if this was updated. As mentioned before this is very new to me. I am a little disappointed in the way you write to me because everytime I say something you question it. ( Shaking my head) I am not trying to make you guys do anything wrong. Not every NGO get approved by IRS. And most of us have to say that, but many don't. That means their status of NGO can be taken away from them. You may look up my NGO at Guidestar.org and all the NGOS with approved status have to fill 990. Tax form for every NGO in US. Those without status do not. Ask about Status with UN that means you have applied for a permission with UN to attend UN meetings and conferences. That allows the exeutives to invited guest or have a talk at UN at the present of other UN memebers. It is highly prestigous! and I had been waiting for it since last June. It should appear on their website soon. I request you to know that I am an expert in the area of my work. I have been working as executive of Iranfuture.org since 2006. And I want you to know that just because you edit this work doesn't mean you have to keep reminding me. I am well aware of the limitations here!

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ghazal_Omid"

Pictures
Omid (who edits as User:Ghazal Omid) has uploaded a number of pictures to Commons. There were basically two types. The first set shows Omid as a child, at 5, 9, and 9. The pictures are on commons, here:
 * Ghazal Omid 5 years old
 * Ghazal Omid 9 years old doing her Muslim prayers
 * Iranian Revolution newspaper 1978

Now, my opinion is that this article is too small to include more than one of these. Personally, I like the third one best with the newspaper, because it has clear historical significance, and connects directly to the "Personal life" section. Do other editors (are there any other editors?) agree with adding one or more of these?

The second set are photographs that Omid herself has taken as a photographer. The Commons pages are:
 * Nature
 * Sushi
 * Japanese kettle
 * Portrait

On these, I'm less comfortable with adding them. On her talk, Omid said "They show the other side of my work as professional photographer." So, for me, at a minimum, we would first need verification from reliable sources that Omid is notable as a photographer. Does anyone have sources to support that? Has Omid published books as a professional photographer, or been noted in the art world for her work as a photographer? Note, Omid, that you can answer this yourself. If not, my feeling is that these don't belong here. I definitely think that we should not include the portrait unless that photo itself is itself a famous work, as I don't think we should be showing the picture of a random person without some good reason. For comparison, I took a look through some random people in Category:Photographers; the majority of those people, whose main notability comes from their photography, don't even have photographs. Now, in many cases, I'm sure that's due to copyright reasons, but still, it seems odd to me to include those pictures here. However, I am very open to other opinions. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:35, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Discussion copied from User Talk:Ghazal Omid
Just to help clarify, User:Ghazal Omid (i.e., the subject of this article) and I have been discussing this on her user talk page (she said she couldn't figure out how to get here. I'm copying the discussion we had so that it's centralized, since I'm about to ask for a Third Opinion.


 * Personally, I definitely want to include one of the childhood photos, but I want to see if any other editors have an opinion on which is best. Until you (or another user) provides evidence that your photography is highly notable itself, I can't see the logic of including the nature/Japanese tea/etc. photos.  However, I will defer to a solid consensus.  At the moment, I'm going to wait for a few days to see if anyone else comments; if not, then I'll add the 3rd of your childhood photos.  If you think the photography pictures or any others should be included, please include a clear, specific reason on the article's talk page.  Then, if no one responds, I'll seek the input of other editors (probably by getting a third opinion. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * First: I can't find that page, anytime I press the link you provided it takes me to your bio and I see nothing but your bio.

Second: The reason I would like all the 3 childood picture to be added is: first they are in my book. So they are public photographs but not viewable unless people buy the book. They are not on internet.
 * I want people to get a sense of my childhood. When I was 5 years old I started to become molested and my mother didn't do enough to stop the boys at my kindergarden. In Islamic countries women get sexually abused and it is taboo to talk about it. I want to break that Taboo.  In that picture I was also in the house of a jewish Rabbai. If he didn't help years later I couldn't go to Mecca at age 14.  In the second photo praying I was 7 years old when I started my Islamic education and practices. But at age 12 my own blood brother started to molast me. And this is again was ignored. So much so, I lost my faith. At age 13 I become an agnostic.  After the trip to Mecca which again was helped by the Jewish Rabbi, I regain my faith.  At Age 9, I started my photography and an interest in that regard.  I had my first camera at that age.  And then revoloution started to happen. So happen to still own the newspaper I am reading in this photograph. Those are hisotrical records of Iran. And it dipalys not just me but the education of Middle East children about politics. Whereas if you ask a 7 year old in US where is the capital of United States, many don't know! My photographs are important because I am working on another book called " Poverty in Paradize" I want people to know I do my own work and writing. I have been accused of taking peoples work by those who assume success just happen to fall on my lap.  I know you guys have a policy of certain things. If there is a day that I could serve my country I would like people to know me ahead of time.  Best, Ghazal Ghazal Omid 13:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The article's talk page is at Talk:Ghazal Omid. I still disagree with your rationale on the pictures, but think the input of other editors will help. After you explain this over there, I'll respond.  Qwyrxian (talk) 23:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Note that I still disagree with her arguments, because I don't see how/why we should include evidence of her professional photography unless we first provide evidence that she is notable as a professional photographer, and, even then, I still don't think it's appropriate, because we don't provide galleries of a subject's work, unless that work itself was specifically the subject of discussion in RS. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Questions about infobox picture

 * Not that I know squat about the Wiki rules about such things, the the use in the info box of the current portfolio shot of the subject provided by the subject does not feel right. Does wiki really let subjects essentially write their own article?--Fizbin (talk) 19:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but the subjects can provide input. We generally suggest that they do not edit the article directly, and, in fact, Omid has never done so.  In fact, as the editor working most closely with her, she has been extremely cooperative and understanding, despite the numerous very complicated rules and systems we have.  As for this particular photo, I don't see how it's any different from our use of officially released government photos for US politicians (see, for example, the photos in the infoboxes of Barack Obama and John Boehner).  Since it is a current, accurate picture of her, it seems fine to me.  Of course, choosing a picture is always a matter of editorial consensus, but absent a specific reason, I don't have a problem using this photo.  For an example of a good reason, if she were an athlete, I think it would be proper to prefer a picture of her actually engaged in a sporting event.  But as a writer/activist, I can't really think of any specific style of picture that would better "represent" her than the current one.  Qwyrxian (talk) 02:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The Obama and Boehner photos are US government issued - Omid's was issued by Omid. Don't know the details of any wiki rules about this, but it doesn't pass the smell test. Not personally invested one way or the other, so am moving on.--Fizbin (talk) 17:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Third party opinion: "no" for the more photos
The page really already has the look of a vanity page: borderline keep on an AFD, hyperlink to her website nice and high prominent in infobox (instead of down in external links), positive coverage only (not both sides). Plus she's pretty obscure...so she was a guest on Glen Beck and wrote one not well-selling memoir. Now she wants her nature photos on here? No way are nature photos BY her coverage OF her. Wiki is not an outlet for her to write about herself (something she seems set on based on this page, her website, and her book.)

And btw, I have NEVER hear of her before now. Scout's honor. But I have seen that some of the outside coverage is not so positive. For instance the most prominent reviewI found at Amazon (by a a critic, not a reader) was this paragraph:

"Somewhere inside this ungainly behemoth of a memoir lies an absorbing account of a middle-class girl's life in Iran. Yet only the most patient reader will follow the travails of Omid (a pseudonym meaning "lost soul") from conception into middle age. After five introductions that each repeat approximately the same point (women are ill treated in Iran), Omid launches into extensive backgrounds on both sets of grandparents; her shrewd, bigamous businessman father (whom she hates); her mother (on whom she blows hot and cold); and her brothers (her feelings range from dislike to hatred). Omid appears to be a contentious person as well as a grievance collector, and her clashes with family, friends, teachers and, later, when she emigrates to Canada, employers, seem more personal than political. The protracted detailing of grudges becomes so numbing that when genuine iniquity occurs—she claims to have been raped and briefly kidnapped—a reader's reaction is somewhat muted. In the 150-page Canadian section toward the end, Omid quarrels incessantly with her brothers (who also emigrate), becomes anorexic, has plastic surgery and is diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Iran would seem to be the least of her worries. (June) Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved."

Seems like we if are covering both sides, we ought to have a sentence or two of this thing quoted...

TCO (reviews needed) 07:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ditto on axing the nature photos. She isn't known for her photography nor does she describe herself as a professional one. This photo should replace 2. 2 should be moved to the right (100x100 at the most). @TCO, when providing a third opinion - respond only to the prompt. Other suggestions like expanding the article or providing your own personal opinion of the bio should be stated in a unique section. Wikifan Be nice  10:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikifan: any particular reason why you prefer the younger picture to the older one? I'm not particularly partial, but I'm just wondering if there's a specific reason. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Clarity. The current picture is aesthetically inferior to the one I listed above. It shows a more physically-accurate portrait of Omid in her childhood days. Wikifan Be nice  11:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed the picture and the size, but I had to keep in on the left; putting it on the right doesn't work because of the size of the infobox. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's fine. If an editor wants to expand the body then that would free up some space for the other photos. Wikifan Be nice  06:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Ghazal Omid 5 years old.jpg can stay, as a childhood photo, within the article. Epicgenius (talk) 03:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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