Talk:Ghetto riots (1964–1969)

Arrested
20,000 or 200,000 ? Nemo 07:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Article Name Change/Deletion
I nominated this article for deletion on June 3rd, 2020. After two weeks of comments, the decision was to keep the article. I think this was a good decision, and ultimately, I think I was convinced by several arguments in favor of keeping the article. However, I agree with several commentators from the deletion discussion that the name of the article should be changed. Some suggestions for possible alternate names mentioned in that discussion:
 * 1960s urban unrest in the United States
 * Race riots in the United States in the 1960s

Along with a name change, there were a number of suggestions for improving the article mentioned by commentators in the deletion discussion. I hope some of these changes can be made! A number of sources were also linked by commentators that could/should be incorporated into the article. Thanks so much to all the people who contributed to the discussion. I hope this page can grow and improve! Coffeespoons (talk) 04:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I am doing research related to this topic and I was utterly shocked to see it called "Ghetto riots." There are NO scholars or sociologists using that term. Not only is it offensive, it divorces the article from the body of scholarship and makes it hard to find. Change, please. 173.70.35.167 (talk) 17:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Nicely done,, what a refreshing show of good faith. It's all constructive up in here, wow.  In the AfD discussion comments below, I did not mention another article which is similar in content, and in fairly good shape:  Long, hot summer of 1967.  That article describes 150+ U.S. ghetto riots of that specific year.  All of them belong in the larger scope of this "Ghetto riots" article, in a pretty clean set-subset relationship if you see what I mean.  I personally think both articles have a reasonable scope and should continue to exist in parallel.  That'll take a little bit of patching together, back and forth, which I'm happy to start.


 * I'd also invite other eyes & opinions about potential POV issues here. The one issue is that word "ghetto" in the title.  Either of your suggested new titles would be better.  --Lockley (talk) 08:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we need to set aside our modern sensitivity on terminology here and think about what is best for the reader. The term ghetto riots is highly likely to be found in books and newspapers and thus is a likely search term a user might type in the search box.  This ngram says it all. SpinningSpark 10:47, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also interesting: . The numbers are quite low so the differences are not necessarily relevant, but I believe the trends are. In particular, "negro riots" was common in the 1960s but was already fading in the 1970s, apparently replaced by "ghetto riots". "Race riots" has a longer history and was used for much earlier riots too.
 * Please also consider international understanding of the English words here. Some such words have very different connotations in different cultures. Nemo 06:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

planned name change
All right! I plan to change this title to "Ghetto riots in the United States (1964–1969)". After the above discussion and looking into a bit, I've found Other opinions welcome. I'll wait a few days for feedback then make the move. --Lockley (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * the term "ghetto riot" was used then, and is still used today
 * including the U.S. and the time frame in the title suggests "ghetto" is used specific to this time and place
 * "race riot" would not be specific enough, because civil rights disturbances going on concurrently could also be fairly described that way, but had very different origins & dynamics

The term is not used today as claimed, at least not by MSM. There has been plenty of panracial acts of brutality from the security sector that have resulted in riots across the country since 2012, and not one of those has been referred to as a 'ghetto riot'.72.174.131.123 (talk) 01:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)