Talk:Ghuraba al-Sham

Here is the URL for the citation that isn't showing up correctly. http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=4481 David O. Johnson (talk) 07:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Support of Ghuraba al-Sham by Syria
This source states that Syrian intelligence used Ghuraba al-Sham during the U.S. war in Iraq. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/01/11/kurds-caught-in-the-crossfire-of-battles-for-northwestern-syria.html Should that qualify as Syrian intelligence being an ally of Ghuraba al-Sham? David O. Johnson (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The reference seems to be solid; I don't see how that can be cited as dubious.David O. Johnson (talk) 06:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * True. Removing dubious. EllsworthSK (talk) 19:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That are allegations, not facts. Know the difference?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 17:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * These are reliable sources, not your interpretation of them. Know the difference? EllsworthSK (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So, you claim that according to that article, Syria funded Ghuraba al-Sham after the Second Gulf War, so they should be grateful to the Syrian gov. I suposse, but instead a returning member of the group killed the leader of the group in Aleppo and the group consider the killer a puppet of the Syrian gov. Its me or the story has not any sense?. Dubious tag added again until more sources could be added to clarify the issue.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone has a little reading problem: "Al-Qaqa's deputy, Samir Muhammad Ghazal Abu Khashabah, claims to have received information that the assassin was a member of a takfiri group"; "Personal reasons were discounted as a cause for the murder by the sources, who noted that the accused was 'a collaborator with the Americans'". Unless the Syrian government is a "takfiri group" and/or pro-American "collaborators", your argument is entirely null and void. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Moved support from infobox to main paragraph; added caveat with sources stating different things about support. David O. Johnson (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with your changes.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct name of the article
I think it should be Ghuraba ash-Sham. In Arabic, the definite article al- is pronounced ash while preceding the shin (ش) letter. --Emesik (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Any proof of Ghuraba al-Sham in Lebanon?
Is there any proof of the alleged implication of Ghuraba al-Sham in the 2007 Lebanon conflict apart from that single claim on the Jamestown foundation article?. Because the 2007 Lebanon conflict article doesnt mention the group anywhere...--HCPUNXKID (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Reuters report blatantly contradicts Wiki article
According to Reuters, the current leader of Ghuraba is not an Islamist and actually supports a civil state in Syria, unlike the Islamists groups that recently dismantled much of his group. Additionally, he is said to be a heavy metal fan. If Reuters is correct, this article is in need of a serious overhaul. Even if Ghuraba started out as an Islamist group under al-Aghasi's leadership, that no longer reflects its current ideology.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/us-syria-rebels-islamists-specialreport-idUSBRE95I0BC20130619?feedType=RSS&feedName=specialReports&dlvrit=354887

New post by different user: I think they are two distinct organizations with the same name. The Jamestown Foundation article mentions Abu al-Qaqa being killed in 2007; the Reuters article makes it seem as though the moderate organization was established during the civil war. Sheikh Omar is the founder of the moderate group, while Abu al-Qaqa founded the Al Nusra Front affiliated group. The group that fought with the Judicial Council is most likely the moderate group. I think the current article should be split into 2 distinct articles. David O. Johnson (talk) 01:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It seems as though the moderate group was founded in 2011, based on Sheikh Omars "What we have built in two years disappeared in a single day" quote.David O. Johnson (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved this article and created a new one; there is this one and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghuraba_al-Sham_%28moderate_group%29 David O. Johnson (talk) 04:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Facebook page for group
A user added the logo on the Facebook page to the Wikipedia page for the moderate group of the same name. I do not know whether the logo belongs to the moderate group or the jihadist group. If someone who reads Arabic can verify  which group the Facebook page is for, the Facebook page can be added to the external links section of the relevant page. https://www.facebook.com/ghorabaa.alsham David O. Johnson (talk) 23:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

disregard my previous comment; the info page for the Facebook page I linked to states that the group was founded in Aleppo in 2011; which seems to prove it is the moderate group. I am going to add the Facebook page to the wikipedia page for the moderate group. According to this article, the moderate group operates in Aleppo. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This Group No Longer Exist
The Active Militia on Syria Now is Ghuraba al-Sham Front No Surceases support that this group is still active after the death of it's founder.

What exactly is not NPOV about article?
To whoever, tagged the article: how can your concerns about the article supposedly being not NPOV be met?David O. Johnson (talk) 05:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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