Talk:Giant panda/Archive 2

Q re "natural enemies"
Does the panda have any specific "natural enemies"? And if so can they be identified in the article (like "diet" is)? (Or is the concept "natural enemies" not a scientific descriptor of a species?) Thanks. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Under subspecies it says, “Two subspecies of giant panda have been recognized”. In 2012 three have been recognized. An article states, “The more recent panda population history showed that the panda population separated into Qinling (QIN) and non-Qinling populations at about 0.3 million years ago, and then the non-QIN cluster diverged into two populations, the Minshan (MIN) and Qionglai-Daxiangling-Xiaoxiangling-Liangshan (QXL) at about 2.8 thousand years ago”. I would edit the article by stating there has been three subspecies identified within the giant panda population where it says two. Since the article mentions these three subspecies it could also go into detail about their fitness. It can be added that “There has been genetic drift in these three diverse populations and their success varies. The success is expressed in the article that there was a very large decline in the QIN, a slight increase in the MIN and a large growth in the QXL. This shows that the giant panda is evolving and the success of the giant panda is rising with the genetic drift occurring in the populations. There has been an accumulation in positive mutations that became fixed within the population that aids in the success rate of the newest evolved group (QXL). “ Under classification there could be information added that gives evidence that giant pandas are bears rather than a lesser panda. In a phylogenetic study scientists compared characteristics of a gene that binds proteins during mitosis in a giant panda and a black bear. The results were the genomic sequence from Giant Panda is 521 bp, while the length of the sequence of Black Bear is 536 bp, which both contained 2 exons. This showed the genetic sequences were very similar. Walters.597 (talk) 18:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Dinosaurs
184.186.6.124 (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)Actually pandas do have three known predators: jackals, snow leopards and yellow-throated martens, all of which are capable of killing and eating panda cubs. As for full-grown adults the only predators I can think of would be extinct large theropod dinosaurs like Sinraptor or Yangchuanosaurus (adult pandas measure around 1.2 to 1.9 m (4 to 6 ft) long, including a tail of about 10–15 cm (3.9–5.9 in), and 60 to 90 cm (2.0 to 3.0 ft) tall at the shoulder, while Sinraptor is around 3 meters (9.8 feet) tall and measuring roughly 7.6 meters (25 feet) in length, Monolophosaurus is about 5 metres long and Yangchuanosaurus' is considered 10.8 m (35.4 ft) long).184.186.6.124 (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * How would dinosaurs that died out tens of millions of years ago be the natural predator of a present-day animal? Sophie means wisdom (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2016
Citation #23 (http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8861/bearbiteforces.png) is a dead link and should be removed. References to it in the article should have the [Citation needed] tag added.

Rlorenr (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- samtar talk or stalk 14:31, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Update lead?
Should the lead section be updated to reflect the IUCN's (very recent) reclassification of the panda as vulnerable? Lythronaxargestes (talk) 04:14, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2016
Still a endangered sepcies as Vulnerable species means a endangered species but not as bad as the endangered orange as the chinese goverment edited it to allow hunting and to make it extinct

198.52.13.15 (talk) 23:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * In fact, the State Forestry Administration of China has officially responded to IUCN's reclassification, stating that from the point of view of conservation, the panda is still endangered， and announcing that the conservation efforts would not be accordingly lowered . This is clearly a proof against the current argument. And this anouncement has been added in the article. Greeneese (talk) 11:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Conervation Status
Should´nt the panda have a different picture for its conservation status? It is suppost to be Critically Endangered

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kianlolcat99 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources needed. Greeneese (talk) 03:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Conservation Status
The giant panda was considered endangered by the IUCN in the 1980s. Because of the fact that pandas reproduce so infrequently, it is very difficult for their population to recover from a low point.

One of the main reasons that panda populations have declined is habitat destruction. As the human population in Mainland of China continues to grow, pandas’ habitat gets taken over by development, pushing them into smaller and less livable areas. Habitat destruction also leads to food shortages. Pandas typically feed on several varieties of bamboo that bloom at different times of the year. The destruction of bamboo habitat is leading to shortage of food for pandas which comprises of about 99% of a panda's diet.

Thankfully, to combat this issue, the Chinese government has actively worked to restore and protect the bamboo habitat, and these measures have shown positive results. According to State Forestry Administration surveys, the panda population has increased since the Chinese government’s actions. Finally in 2016, the IUCN upgraded the giant panda’s status from Endangered to Vulnerable.

However, while an increasing panda population is good news for now, it is predicted that climate change will eliminate over 35% of the panda’s bamboo habitat in the next 80 years.

Rishabhsingh9512 (talk) 14:00, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
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This is great:)
The article as a whole is great. Very informative and it seems as though everything is referenced properly. Hrm0815 (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

giant panda
they are black and white to blend in with the mountins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:BDF1:3F00:B510:D90F:FC5A:6528 (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2017
The last two sentences of the first paragraph under "Taxonomy" should be removed: "The giant panda's closest extant relative is the spectacled bear of South America.[19] The giant panda has been referred to as a living fossil.[20]"

1. The giant panda's closest living relative is NOT the spectacled bear. Indeed this sentence contradicts the previous sentence. The panda split early in Ursid evolution, making it equally related to all other living bear species. Correct information and sources may be found on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear

2. The giant panda should not be referred to as a "living fossil." Primarily because the source for that comment is a dead link, but also because this term is misleading (see here for a discussion of the term and further references: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jul/06/why-its-time-to-make-living-fossils-extinct) 108.6.33.60 (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * --Please provide WP:RS in support of your proposed change to 1st statement.It is currently well-supported by a major reliable source.This is the link to the archived version of the second webpage.I am more open to changing this particular statement in light of new more reliable sources, but the source provided by you tries to challenge the term living fossil in general.As to the best of my knowledge, the term is still widely used in scientific literature and is not an obscure term.If you discover any source that specifically rejects the giant panda as a living fossil, re-open the edit request. Winged Blades Godric 10:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Evaluation
Under the title, Classification, the first sentence has a grammar error. There should be a comma before the word "because." Under the section of Reproduction, the male's role can be explained more in depth, since the mother's role has a detailed explanation on her behavior towards her cubs. Jizila (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Asterisks in the population chart
The meaning of asterisks in the population chart ("Wild" column) is unexplained and unclear. I might remove it or replace it with the primary source. --朝彦 &#124; Asahiko (talk) 02:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Etymology
The etymology section ends in a question mark of sorts in connection with Nepali. But the word for "panda" in the Nepali article on the subject is पाण्डा, which it appears can be transcribed as "pāṇḍā". So is this the perfectly obvious origin of the English word, or is this a late borrowing by Nepali that replaces that language's earlier word? Largoplazo (talk) 11:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I would hesitate to apply the phrase "perfectly obvious" to very many word origins, and definitely not to this one. Webster's New World Dictionary says it's "apparently" original to Nepali, which would suggest its editors aren't completely confident. Other major dictionaries don't even agree about when the word entered the English language, stating variously 1825, 1834, 1820s, and mid-19th century. Check out the entry at AHD, which is usually rather conservative when it comes to etymological notes, and note the "probably" and the "perhaps". We could go into more detail in the section, I guess, but I don't suppose we could be more definite. Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   12:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2017
I suggest adding this research study in Behavioural Ecology (2017) that examines why Pandas have black and white fur: Caro et al (2017). Why is the giant panda black and white? Behavioural Ecology Rogerallanwhite1992 (talk) 08:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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The photo of panda Qizai with the description "The Qinling panda has a light-brown and white pattern" is not true.
Qinling pandas have same black and white pattern as pandas from Sichuan. The ones found with brown and white fur are rare cases even among Qinling subspecies. Qinling pandas are slightly smaller than other giant pandas, but their fur color is not the feature of distinction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.1.210.62 (talk) 21:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have just added a reference from the Qinling panda article which states they are brown. DrChrissy (talk) 22:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

A 110.45 kg (243.5 lb)
This way of expressing the weight of a bear is ridiculous. Nobody can weigh a bear with 50 gram accuracy. Such accuracy is not necessary either in this kind of publication. Round up the numbers to a reasonable number of significant digits, for example ca. 110 kg (243 lb). --Jidu Boite (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the source gave a mean value, which is fine (and expected) in scientific journals. However, I agree with you it is totally unnecessary here.  Be bold and change the values. DrChrissy (talk) 18:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

List of Pandas in Zoos
Do we really need to list every panda by name in this article? Power~enwiki (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2017
Please add the following to the chapter "In zoos" / paragraph "Europe".:


 * Ouwehands Dierenpark, Rhenen, The Netherlands – home to Wu Wen (F) and Xing Ya (M) since April 2017. Hidde1234 (talk) 21:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Already done Power~enwiki (talk) 06:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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Image mislabeled?
The Image labeled "Bones of the left forelimb" appear to be the bones of the right forelimb, with the person who described it seeing it as a mirror image of their own left hand, rather than recognizing that it is, in fact, the right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeletontea (talk • contribs) 11:32, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you may be right, but I don't know enough about panda anatomy to be sure. (That's actually putting it mildly.) The user who uploaded the image to Wikimedia Commons hasn't edited either at Commons or English Wikipedia in four years, so there's probably not much point in querying them. If no one else responds here, you might consider leaving a message at WikiProject Animals. (If you do, please make sure you place your message in a new section at the bottom of that page. See Help:Talk pages for how to do that.) Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   17:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Requested move 15 August 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move, therefore, not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 11:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Giant panda → Panda – There was a recent move discussion about the primary topic of panda with the consensus that the giant panda is the primary topic. I suggest moving this article to a more concise title to reflect this. 23.25.229.66 (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "Primary topic" does not mean that the species article should be named thus. The accepted common name of the species is "giant panda", not "panda", colloquial usage notwhithstanding. Leave it where it is. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Concision is one of the article naming criteria, but so is precision; the current title is precise. Dekimasu よ! 19:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose and please log in when placing multiple RMs to major articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Elmidae, Dekimasu, and WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT already in place. (There is no requirement a person create an account to RM articles). Ribbet32 (talk) 03:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Rreagan007 (talk) 04:14, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2018
In the predators section, there is a red link to Chiense leopard. Please change to Chinese leopard. 167.131.0.195 (talk) 19:17, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done by a different editor DannyS712 (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2019
Change "BBC Nature: Giant panda news, and video clips from BBC programmes past and present" to" Lovely panda: A website for all panda lovers ". Yedi2012 (talk) 07:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Why? Sure, the link's broken, but why that website and not perhaps another BBC page (or an archive of the existing link)? Especially as the only 'Lovely Panda' site I can find appears to be a shopping website. Not exactly a proper replacement for a news site. Sumanuil (talk) 08:04, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  D Big X ray ᗙ  20:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Habitat and Distribution
There are no sections on these critical topics. Seven Pandas (talk) 22:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Bamboo as a link
This should be turned to this: bamboo --> bamboo 111.88.15.236 (talk) 17:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2020
In the first paragraph, the neighboring Red Panda is referred to as a mustelid. Red pandas are not a member of the mustelidae family, but are part of the musteloidae superfamily. This is probably meant to say "musteloid" rather than "mustelid." Family-wise, the red panda would be the only extant Ailurid. 99.19.85.228 (talk) 14:31, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2020
The Giant Panda are usually most active in winter and spring with sun light present, yet they are not very active when the temperature is high.

Source: Jindong Zhang, Vanessa Hull, Jinyan Huang, Shiqiang Zhou, Weihua Xu, Hongbo Yang, William J. McConnell, Rengui Li, Dian Liu, Yan Huang, Zhiyun Ouyang, Hemin Zhang, and Jianguo Liu "Activity Patterns of the Giant Panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca)," Journal of Mammalogy 96(6), 1116-1127, (1 December 2015). https://doi.org/10.1093/jmammal/gyv118 Jliang62 (talk) 04:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Where should this be added? DarthFlappy (talk) 14:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020
Change "bamboo shoots" (Found in 4 instances) To "bamboo chutes" Grandmaster Peterman (talk) 23:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Shoots is correct. See Bamboo RudolfRed (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021
To add a statistic in the reproduction section of the giant panda. I wanted to add that "the oldest age of a panda that had a successful birth was 23 years old". The source that I got it from was Holt, W. (2019). Comprehensive Breeding Techniques for the Giant Panda. In Reproductive Sciences in Animal Conservation (Vol. 1200, pp. 275–308). Springer International Publishing : https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-23633-5_10

DJPRICEJR (talk) 14:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please provide the exact edit you would like to make, with sourcing. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2021
Typographical correction: Change "rotound" to "rotund" in the second sentence of the first paragraph. Anem0neone (talk) 22:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2021
Pandas also eat bamboo 31.124.233.88 (talk) 13:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2021
Panda bears can grow 7 feet tall and I request this be added Ronald Reagan Fan 1984 (talk) 10:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. melecie   t  10:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Prombles with Panda

panda have virus and some distivated things.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022
Under Phylogeny please change "Sun bear" to "Sun bear (Helarctos malayanus)"

Removing the bold, adding it's binomial name, and a link to it's article

Perhaps removing the binomial name on the Giant Panda too, to match the style on the Sun bear article. 167.179.147.70 (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good catch! - UtherSRG (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Diet
A panda mostly eats bamboo.AND SOME......... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.64.96 (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * "Some"... what? MasterWolf0928-Æthelwulf (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Panda
Please keep them alive 96.248.124.121 (talk) 14:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Chemical Ecology
— Assignment last updated by Symbiologist (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2023
In the section "Diet", change "a higher capability of digest" to "a higher capability to digest". 2001:1970:4F65:C700:B0C1:AD04:B600:A5EE (talk) 03:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ UtherSRG (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)