Talk:Gibanica

Gibati
Gibati means to move on Serbian. Just a proposition for change. --46.5.2.160 (talk) 19:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Refer to | this page from a Slovenian restaurant, where Gibanica is also listed as Serbian. No one is trying to belittle your Prekmurska gibanica in this page for mentioning Gibanica Serbian origins. At the end of the day, even if these are related, Prekmurska gibanica is still different. Therefore, I would appreciate if you stop questioning everything, Duja. Asterion 21:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I question the commonality of the knowledge. Why is the page from a Slovenian restaurant relevant for anything? And why do you assume my origins?
 * Now, Gibanica is indeed one of symbols of Serbian cuisine. It is very often related with Serbia indeed. It doesn't prove that it actually originates in Serbia. Cf. Kajmak. But Banitsa is basically the same thing, and an obvious cognate? Why you insist on inserting so strong statements? Who did perform the research on the origin? Sorry, I can't accept blank statements like that. Duja 21:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I realised you removed the Serbian Cyrillic name of the related dishes in the Prekmurska gibanica article, so I assumed you took offence somehow. Apologies for any misunderstanding. I agree up to a certain point with your reasoning (in the same way that it would be silly to claim that Šljivovica is a drink from a single country). I would suggest a NPOV rephrasing as "Gibanica is a traditional Serbian dish" and then list any related dishes further down. Your thoughts? Asterion 22:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I was harsh in my reply... I got a bit annoyed on other things. Yes, that was my intention too, to make the statement about the origin in a less direct and more NPOV manner; I doubt there is a real research about the origin (and it doesn't matter much anyway). Thanks. Duja 22:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Btw, since you mentioned Prekmurska gibanica, just now I realized that it was the thing that got me annoyed :-D (just I forgot about it in the meantime)... it seems that some guys would even write English in Cyrillic. In capitals, preferrably. Duja 22:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, mate. I know what wikistress is. I've been there myself ;-) Cheers, Asterion 22:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Citnikusa/Cetnicka gibanica
This is a type of Gibanica made by Cetniks during WW2. It`s made almoast like the standard serbian one, but is made in a deep pot instead of the usual think baking one. Note: contains lot more cheese. Can anybody put that into the artical as well? I see that it`s wrongly described on this web page, but i couldn`t find any other reference http://www.freewebs.com/serbijen/kuhinja.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.149.16 (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Origins, sources and dubious claims
The reason why I searched for this article is information about true gibanica origin. It is quite possible that gibanica is Serbian and that's what I actually wanted to know..."is gibanica a Serbian dish or did its origin got lost in time?" But I see that the only sources listed are Serbian and I am interested if any reliable, neutral sources about gibanica origin exist. "Gibati" is a Serbo-Croatian word (i.e. common Croatian word), so that's hardly an argument for "Serbian origin". This wouldn't be first time that Balkanian (Serbian) nationalists claim that everything that ever originated in South-Eastern Europe is originally made by "their" nation, so I am a bit sceptical about it.

I also have the problem with "gibanica" redirecting to Serbian variety. This is especially problematic because this is the only "gibanica" article that claims that gibanica is Serbian, using only Serbian sources to back this claim. I do not question the origin of this particular variety of gibanica, but I think that the true origin of "original" gibanica is not known. Serbs were not the only Slavic nation in the balkans once, despite the claims of certain ultra-nationalists. Perhaps this article should be renamed to Gibanica (Serbian) or something like that? But, if nothing else "Međimurska" and "Prekmurska" should be mentioned on top of the article, if the casual visitor is already redirected.

The one and only Croatian source listed here argues that is is not known if gibanica is Croatian or Slovenian, Serbia is not even mentioned. While it doesn't really contradict this article, it also doesn't support it.

Also, the claim about gibanica being available worldwide is an extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and so I decided to check it, despite being unrelated to origins of gibanica. This Serbian source talks about one Serbian restaurant "Kafana" in New York that is owned by some Serbian patriot. Like most restaurants owners, he bragged about his restaurant. Is this really a reliable source for this claim? "Gibanica can be found worldwide"..? In New York, perhaps...the world...not so much. So, this claim either needs more sources (about more than one restaurant) or should be changed to something more accurate, like "available in New York". But I guess it doesn't sound so impressive, so the Serbian editors might disagree :D Disclaimer: I love Serbian gibanica and I visits my relatives in Serbia every few years, so don't try to paint me as some Serbophobic, neo-nazi nationalist. My questions about the origin of gibanica are real and not sarcastic. And this isn't the only article about balkan food that needs some serious editing, plenty of them are much worse than this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.239.208 (talk) 13:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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