Talk:Gideon H. Pond House

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I would think this has to be one of the earliest surviving brick homes in the metro area. (Probably Red Wing, Hastings, or Stillwater has older ones.) Does anyone know of an older one in the TC?--Appraiser 13:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know if the commander's house at Fort Snelling is original or if it's a reproduction, but if it was made of brick, then it's certainly older. I don't have a resource for checking that, though.  I wouldn't expect there to be any brick houses west of the Mississippi before the Treaty of Traverse des Sioux was signed, but Washington County could certainly have some brick houses.  The National Register has a multiple property submission for Washington County that mentions the Captain John Oliver House in Lakeland in 1849 and the Mitchell Jackson Farmhouse in Lakeland in 1850, but they don't say what kind of materials they were made of. The Grey Cloud Lime Kiln in Cottage Grove dates to 1850, but that was made of stone.  It's an interesting question, though.  Also of note, there's a plaque on a rock on the east side of Lake Calhoun saying something like, "On the hill above, the first dwelling in the city of Minneapolis was erected by Gideon H. Pond" with a date, but I forget the date.  (Was it 1839?)  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, were any of the houses in early Mendota made of brick? The Sibley House, the oldest private residence in Minnesota, is made of limestone, but has a brick outbuilding. The Faribault house also appears to be made of stone.  Mendota and St. Paul would be the likely candidates for houses older than the Gideon Pond house.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know of several older brick homes in Washington County. I believe all the dwellings in Mendota pre-dating Pond's are all stone (I know Faribault's and Sibley's are). John Stevens' and Ard Godfrey's are both clappboard. I'm not sure what house in St. Paul might be close to that age - perhaps something in Lowertown or Dayton's Bluff. And I too don't know whether the commander's house at Ft. Snelling is a reproduction or not - something to find out next time I'm there.--Appraiser 16:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment inserted by an IP editor regarding Samuel Pond
An IP editor made this following comment in the references section, but this belongs on the talk page:

His fellow missionary Samuel Pond needs to be inserted into the story also. (Name does not come up when searching, because article only says _Samuel_ is his brother) After Lake Calhoun, he was a missionary at Lac Qui Parle and then at Shakopee, both upriver on the Minnesota River at Dakota villages. I suggest that you put both men on the Wikipedia entry. Perhaps you will want to call the page Rev. Gideon Pond, Rev. Samuel Pond, and the Gideon H. Pond House.

The brothers came to Minnesota as independents but became affiliated with the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions shortly thereafter.

The Pond Dakota House historic site, sponsored by the City of Bloomingon, Minnesota, has a chronology online: http://www.ci.bloomington.mn.us/main_top/2_facilities/rec_facility/pond/signs/timeline/timeline.htm

Samuel was the better linguist of the two men and he is the one most credited with work on translating Dakota and rendering it on the page, although other missionary names are also associated: Riggs, Williamson, and trader Joseph Renville.

--Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

98.240.171.24 (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)This message was sent to me: "I saw your comment at Gideon H. Pond House. I moved your comment to the talk page, at Talk:Gideon H. Pond House, because comments on articles generally belong on the talk pages and not in the articles themselves. You have a valid point -- both Gideon and Samuel Pond are important in local Native American history. I'll look into researching Samuel some more. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)"

I don't understand this procedure. How can a lay reader make a suggestion for editorial content change if the suggestion is moved to an obscure part of the Wikipedia?

Also, I should rather have written in the above that "Rev. Stephen Riggs and Dr. Thomas Williamson, also of the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, a number of wives, children, and support staff, and fur trader Joseph Renville who, although Roman Catholic, worked with the missionaries on translation and on missionary activities"--July 28, 2009 LBryan, St. Paul

Wife - Agnes or Sarah?
It was confusing to see the picture labeled Gideon and Agnes, and text said his wife was Sarah. This Minnnesota Historical society document cleared up the mystery. So the picture must be for his second marriage. I added an external link but I'll let someone else edit it. Tom Ruen (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Gideon married Sarah Poage in 1837, and seventeen years later, following her death, he married Mrs. Robert Hopkins. Samuel was married In 1838 here at Lake Harriet to Cordelia Eggleston, who died In 1852, after which he married Rebecca Smith."

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