Talk:Gifford Pinchot

Alive?
"He was alive in Simsbury, Connecticut in 1865"

Huh? Is this supposed to read "born"?

Also, I believe Grey Towers is in Milford, not outside it.

GeneCallahan (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC) ✅24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Not Fully Balanced
This item doesn't adequately explain the extent to which Pinchot opposed preservationists, nor that his main achievement and interest was in applying what passed for science to the logging business and to the U.S. Forest Service bureaucracy. I changed the statement that his goal was "saving forests" to "developing forestry concepts." I also changed the characterization of John Muir as a "back to nature" spokesman to "preservationist." A number of environmentalists today apparently consider Pinchot something of a villain, most famously for his key support for damming Hetch Hetchy Valley. This ought to be reflected in the article. --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.45.63 (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

---It would be interesting to find out if he is partially or wholly responsible for the phrase "Land of Many Uses" Kidshare (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone recently vandalized this entry. I corrected the first sentence, but other malicious nonsense remains, which unfortunately I have no time right now to fix. Hoping someone can return this entry to full fact. Hattanguy 20:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

anyone interested in adding more to this stub can use these URLs to find more information:
 * http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/PA_Env-Her/gifford_pinchot.htm
 * http://1912.history.ohio-state.edu/conservation/gifford_pinchot.htm
 * http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/PA_Env-Her/pinchot_bio.htm
 * http://www.nwf.org/halloffame/inductees_pinchot.html

Cheers, Kingturtle 22:11, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Done! - David Gerard 00:12, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

✅ 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

In a paper, I read things about the post-war (post-WWI) controversies in forestry reforms, and the conflict between the conservationists led by Pinchot and the other side led by Forest Service chiefs Henry Graves and William Greeley. It is said there that their side finally won and their ideas were realized, and the conservationists were then backed (I summarize). Someone who would enrich the article about Pinchot on this can read the paper there: http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/eh/8.2/west.html

Un lievre 19:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Pinchot retirement plan
I just got a spam email for the "Pinchot Retirement Plan" named after Gifford Pinchot. I'm not sure what it is but they say I can retire rich. --Gbleem 21:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I got some junk mail, probably from the same place. I think it's a Real Estate Investment Trust, which is a legitimate idea. I was wondering if Pinchot really intended it as a retirement plan. I think some marketing guy is getting paid to come up with new names for old ideas.

Pinchot pass
isn't Pinchot pass on the John Muir Trail in California also named after Gifford Pinchot? 141.154.154.243 (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Great Good
"Where conflicting interests must be reconciled, the question shall always be answered from the standpoint of the greatest good of the greatest number in the long run." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Napkin Party (talk • contribs) 05:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

How do you pronounce his name?
I hiked to the rim of Mount St Helens last weekend and of course one of the names I ran into that hadn't really heard of before was Gifford Pinchot. How do you pronounce his last name? Is it Pinch-ought, or Pinch-aw, or something else? Please help. Thanks. Kidshare (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC) ✅24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Pinch'oh 73.116.129.57 (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Historical Marker in PA
Here is a historical marker in Milford, PA near Grey Towers about Gifford Pinchot. It says: Gifford Pinchot (1865 – 1946): Noted forester, conservationalist, and progressive leader. Chief, 1898 – 1910, U.S. Forest Service (as renamed in 1905). Governor of Pennsylvania, two terms, 1923 – 1927 & 1931 – 1935. His first term brought major governmental reorganization. His second term was famed for the paving of rural roads throughout the state &mdash; including this road &mdash; to provide unemployment relief & "get the farmer out of the mud." Grey Towers was his family home.

Hopefully this marker helps develop the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Re-assigned important ratings
How can this guy not be high important for both PA and Forestry? Rating him as 'low' for forestry is insane. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Free image
Another free image of Pinchot can be found here (free as published in the US before 1923). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Second Term as Governor
Pardon me for putting this at the beginning, not the end of the talk page, since I'm afraid it might get lost (as this man sometimes is). The article has a long section about the Pennsylvania governor's race as the depression deepened, but nothing about the next race, after which a democrat named Earle (mentioned only in the infobox) succeeded Pinchot. I'm in Illinois now and don't have the resources or time to do the research, but I seem to remember Pennsylvania's republicans again self-immolating. I've made a few corresponding changes to articles concerning Pennsylvania's state parks, since I remember Pinchot's influence in Pine Grove Furnace/French Creek and with the CCC. I was surprised to look at the list of state parks, to which I linked, and realize that the Laurel Highlands were a disaster area, the remediation of which began immediately after Pinchot left office. I'd love to know if that too was his legacy, for I don't think he sat back and wallowed in personal depression as his state and beloved forests struggled.Jweaver28 (talk) 14:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Link misdirect?
Dr. Gifford Bryce Pinchot's link is mis-directed to this page instead of his own page? Samuelsenwd (talk) 09:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * What is his page? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Best as I can tell there is currently no article on Gifford Bryce Pinchot. I've removed the circular link in this article. Thanks for pointing this out. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

✅ 24.139.51.14 (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Cornelia Bryce Pinchot
Very little mention of Pinchot's wife, Cornelia Bryce Pinchot, daughter of U.S. Congressman Lloyd Bryce, or Pinchot's family life. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The documentary that aired today gave her a bigger role, but I chose to fix other parts. Plus, I'm still far away from necessary resources. So I'm hoping that someone else sees the documentary and can make the worthwhile changes.Jweaver28 (talk) 02:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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"Fire storm of 1910 and the descent of the Forest Service" seems biased, difficult to confirm with sources
Can we find better sources for this section? If you ask me, it feels like an attack on the Forest Service.

Neuralnewt (talk) 19:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This section is also largely copy-pasted from the William Greeley Wikipedia page.
 * Neuralnewt (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree-- the major studies of Pinchot do not give much attention to this episode. The section says little about Pinchot and is badly sourced.  So I dropped it. Rjensen (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree-- the major studies of Pinchot do not give much attention to this episode. The section says little about Pinchot and is badly sourced.  So I dropped it. Rjensen (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

When did Pinchot meet Muir?
Although note 19 correctly cites Miller saying they met in 1892, Clayton's "Natural Rivals," p. 225, argues that it was 1893. The Sierra Club (https://vault.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/people/pinchot.aspx) agrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bomahh (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)