Talk:Gilgamesh (manga)

Untitled
Define "Super present." Snarfies 02:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The New Human
Simple question- the first (and presumably last) of the new human race murders Tear with the tuning fork after being offended by what she says. But is she really Kiyoko getting revenge for ending humanity, or did the first creature created by human & Gilgamesh just happen to be a headcase? Sephjnr 19:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I know the discussion is quite old (nearly 2 years) but I have many questions on this final scene. I had first interpreted it in a completely different way : in my view, the scene with the tuning fork was the logical sequel of the scene in which Kiyoko helps Tatsuya's "soul" (the part of him that gets out of his dead body) towards the "sky" (the mist makes me think to some kind of "heaven". With the same mist everywhere, this final scene (before and after the ending) reminded me of some kind of after-life world more than to the "new humanity" promised by Enkidu. Although the tree suggests that we are on Earth, and the "cocoon" suggests birth, the red cross in the background not only symbolizes the Christian vision of death (even martyrdom but that's not the question here), but it is also highly reminiscent of Tatsuya's clothes, therefore suggesting that the scene is taking place in another reality, filled with symbols, rather than on Earth. The tune that is sung at this moment, "Shall we gather at the river" is about the Christian belief in God's judgement, and so I think it refers directly to this notion of after-life. I interpreted this scene as being an actual revenge of Kiyoko against the Countess (or is it Tear ? She has reasons to revenge agains both), that takes place in some kind of heaven. The interpretation expressed in this article seemed strange to me : why on Earth should the "new life form" take the shape of Kiyoko ? Even supposing that this being is son/daughter to Kiyoko and Novem, it should have been destroyed just like all the rest as the Sheltering Sky descended towards the ground. And why should this being use the tuning fork, which was Kiyoko's attribute all along the story ? My interpretation contains just as many flaws in terms of logic, but I think that, if no other elements or clues can be given, it should be mentioned in the article that this final scene can be interpreted in different ways (at least these two). Ze gobou (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Recently I JUST remembered, the book that allowed me to understand this anime; it was Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's translation on the "Sefer Yetsirah" the "Book of Avraam." A lot of people have difficulty with the anime because it borrows so shamelessly from general ancient semitic mythology, in addition to Jewish mysticism (Kabalah).  In the anime, the character Novem mentions that the "corruption of the universe is due to the corruption of the human race."  In Kabalist theory, the Kabalah tree, represents the body's major energy centers, and said energy centers are connected to the entire universe, both the energy physical plain, and the unseen spirit world.  The inbalance in the soul of just one human being, is enough to cause chaos throughout the cosmos; the reason we see the activity of black holes, stars going super nova when they sholdn't be, cosmic storms, and here on earth, huricanes and earth quakes is because according to Kabalist theory, our souls's are messed up and because we are all directly wired to, well, EVERYTHING, wether we want to or not, consciously or not, our problems become the universe's problems.  The Gilgamesh were out to exterminate the human race, because so wired, the whole of existence was threatened.  Again to better understand the anime, please read Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's translation on the Sefer Yetsirah first; the Rabbi had a background in Physics, so he was uniquely qualified to explain everything.  Again without first reading that book, the anime becomes almost impossible to understand, we are talking reading volumes of ancient semitic mythology, the whole of the old testament and volumes upon volumes of Kabalist writting.  Kaplan's translation on the Sefer Yetsirah places it all in one neat little package, that is, more or less, digestible to the lay reader.  Word of warning though Kaplan uses a lot of "heavy words;" if you are not well read with high level material, or well educated the book itself may be too heavy.  I hope this helps people confused about the anime; I will admit the creators made many mistakes, I mean, they squeezed pretty heavy stuff into what was basically a teenager's cartoon!  67.148.120.124 (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)stardingo747

Blattaria
Why the hell is "Blattaria" re-directing an article on cockroaches? The link should obviously lead to an article on the anime creatures. Question2 13:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's probably a snarky commentary. Sephjnr 18:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

A bit of change...
Bolded character names. Sarara 15:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

More Gilgamesh edits
Having seen the entirety of the series recently, I will be making a number of edits to the article in the near future and will hopefully mold it into a better article. This includes utilizing ADV's extensive liner notes and supplements (although I'll try my best to verify their accuracy). Tony Myers 15:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Reiko
Reiko is a boy and the clone of the chairman Yuki. This is what eventually causes his death as the Gilgamesh in Godbeast form seemingly mistake him for the chairman according to Hayato Kazmatsuri. On Another note I may be wrong but I don't think Enuma dies I believe she is one of the people seen in the last episode.

"super present"?
The article says the series is set in the "super present". English is not my first language so maybe this term does exist and I've just never come across it before... I haven't seen the series, so I don't know -- is it set in the future? If that's the case, could someone please fix this (ie, replace "super present" by "future")? Thanks. PoisonedQuill 21:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell from Googling, it's a neologism invented without explanation or definition by the writers of the show. 68.44.13.236 06:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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"Surrogate mother"
Hello, It is said in the article that Kiyoko acts as a surrogate mother to Tatsuya. English is not my first language, so I must have understood wrong, but I thought a "surrogate mother" could be, to oversimplify, a woman who carries a baby that is not biologically hers. Although it seems obvious in context that the author of this article meant that Kiyoko brought up Tatsuya because of Azusa's poor state of health (to say the least), I think the ambiguity should be corrected. Ze gobou (talk) 21:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ending
The new reborn human is not the young countess but Kyoko. Thats the reason why she is killing Tear with a tuning fork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.143.233 (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)