Talk:Gilly Roach/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Matthew RD 21:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I shall be conducting the review. -- Matthew RD 21:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

This is how the article currently fairs against the GA criteria:
 * 1) Well written:
 * 2) Factually accurate and verifiable:
 * 3) Broad in coverage:
 * 4) Neutral:
 * 5) Stable: Passed
 * 6) Images:

Here are some of my prelimary findings; Probably more notes to come. -- Matthew RD 16:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The lead section seems rather long to be one paragraph, I suggest you split it in two somewhere.✅
 * I'm a little uneasy about the additional image; File:GillyRoach.jpg, it does not have the non-free templates, and there is not source where it comes from unlike the infobox image.✅
 * The reception section is a little short. Isn't there anything else to expand on it a little? Is that all the information that is available?✅
 * Thankyou for taking on the review. Your first three points have been adressed. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 17:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice work. OK, now on with the more nitpicky bits by reading through the page. -- Matthew RD 18:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Character development

 * Isn't there anything at all relating to the creation of the character? The casting?
 * Comment - See this is the one I can't make happen. There is just no information out the on this. The same goes for all characters introduced during executive producer David Hanson, he was just not on par with promo and he got sacked and BK did a big promo trail for the show etc.. It's a shame the actor has not spoken about his casting anywhere. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 19:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with Beth Clement

 * "BBC America describe Gilly on their official website stating" I take it you mean describes. Also, on the source, I think it would probably be best to mention at the citation on where to find Gilly's part of the characters article, as there is a web of pictures and I had trouble finding him (like mention that he is at the top left and then click at the photo).✅
 * Cite [3] is dead. Although that said, cite [4] seems to cover the statement anyway.✅
 * "it was this single thing that drew him and Beth Clement (Sinead Moynihan) together" add a full stop.✅
 * "Another storyline showing his timid personality was when he was mugged by a group of teenagers[5] and left fearing for his safety and even let them pick on him in the streets." Sounds better if it was "Another storyline showing his timid personality was when he was mugged by a group of teenagers,[5] and was left fearing for his safety and even let them pick on him on the streets."✅
 * "Holy Soap opined that this was a stand out moment of the character's duration.[4]" Read the cite, I did not see the part where they felt it was a stand out moment, is there another source that thinks it's the stand out moment?✅

Binge Drinking

 * Link Manchester.✅

Relationship with Steph Cunningham

 * "Gilly was later seen using his new look in attempt to get the affections of Steph Cunningham (Carley Stenson), after failing he acted out of character and struck up a scam date with Cheryl Brady (Bronagh Waugh) to make Steph jealous, it back-fired when his false tooth came loose in Cheryl's mouth." Howabout forget the first comma and replace it with a full stop, making the second part of the sentence a sentence in itself. Then the "it back-fired" bit, prehaps it would be best to start with "but".✅
 * "They later started a relationship." Who, Gilly and Cheryl or Gilly and Steph?✅
 * "a stark contrast as during the his early years he was constantly seen with long hair." Remove "the".✅
 * "Steph is killed of during a special week of episodes dubbed "fire week"." Did you mean, "killed off"?✅
 * "Stints"? Do you mean "Stunts"?✅
 * "Gilly's immediate grief resulted in the characters name trending on twitter," You mean the website Twitter? Capitalise and link please.
 * "Gilly's grief is made worse because he of Steph making the decision to die." What? That didn't make much sence (he of) remove the "he".✅
 * Cite [18] is dead, but never fear! I think you could use this article as a replacement.✅

I'll finish with the rest of the article later. Feel free to address those comments the best you can in the meantime. -- Matthew RD 18:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's those done.. So I put top left in the citation for BBC America. I archived all refs used, so saved ref [18], however ref [3] - AOL must have prevented the archiving process, which is selfish of them. So I removed that one. Added a little more info to Cheryl and Jem so it's clear who the relationship is with. Also the Holy Soap ref which used to say a stand out moment for Gilly was the mugging, they updated and changed it, luckily there new memorable moment is the Gilly/Rhys/Beth storyline, so I moved it up to where appropriate. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 19:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Sexual abuse

 * "Gilly later finds himself attracted to Lynsey Nolan (Karen Hassan), he is initially fears he is moving on to soon." Remove the first "is".✅
 * "Whilt" You meant "Whilst" right?✅
 * "would cheat on Rhys together and that the nights events would", replace nights with night's.✅
 * "of this Copper states". You mean Cooper.✅
 * "describing how it starts to develop and the effects it has on Gilly a spokesperson for the serial told Inside Soap:" add a comma between Gill and "a".✅
 * "DCI Ben Snuggs, leader of Don't Cross the Line campaign, explaining:" I think it sounds better if he "explains" or "explained" it.✅
 * Is there an outcome to the viewer trial? Or is it ongoing? If so, is there a source?

Again, I'll go over more of the article later. -- Matthew RD 22:53, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The outcome will be revealed next week. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 23:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Storylines

 * Overall seems long, but I can hardly blame you since the character has been a regular for nearly six years.
 * The first paragraph seems to have conflicted past and present tense. Present tense is usually permitted.✅
 * "Any chance of a relationship is ended when Gilly reveals Rhys slept with her mother" "is ended" doesn't sound quite right, perhaps try some rewording.✅
 * "he then makes up he and Rhys's friendship and moves back into the Ashworths'." to "he then makes up his and Rhys's friendship and moves back into the Ashworths'."✅
 * Who plays Tania?✅
 * What is The Dog? Is it a pub, restaurant, cafe?✅
 * I also take it The Lift is a strip club?✅
 * "who he is put off by when she mentions marriage." Whom he is put off by.✅
 * "Angry parents begin to gather outside Simon's home. Simon's house is battered and the windows are smashed, realising his reputation is ruined, he attempts suicide." change to "Angry parents begin to gather outside Simon's home and vandalise it by smashing the windows. Realsing his reputation is ruined, Simon attempts suicide."✅
 * Link suicide.✅
 * Who plays Simon's wife Gemma?✅
 * "Gilly is gutted by the breakup." "Gutted" does not sound neutral. Try saying he was disappointed, or saddened, dismayed or whatever you feel sounds better.✅
 * "Steph Fernando"? place a comma in between.✅
 * "Gilly and Steph take a walk round the village on bonfire night where she finally admits she's scared of dying they have a heart to heart where she realises she's more scared of dying then death." add a comma somewhere, preferably between dying and they. Allow the reader to breathe. Also, add "conversation" after heart to heart, and dis you mean Steph was more scared of dying than death?✅
 * Who plays Il Gnosh?✅
 * "Gilly stands on a ladder outside and begs her to come out however she tells him she's ready to die and walks back into the flames" again add a comma somewhere✅
 * Finally, the last three sentences seem to have been made on a rush. Also, I thought the trial isn't over yet, yet it says he is charged.✅

Reception

 * Prehaps do a little further explinations into the nominations, like about who the actor lost the awards to.
 * "Ruth Deller of Lowculture has criticised Gilly branding him as a poor character" you mean "criticised Gilly, branding him as a poor character."✅
 * "Colin Robertson writing for British tabloid newspaper". You mean "Colin Robertson, writing for British tabloid newspaper"?✅

That is done. Address those comments, and then I will quickly go over it again for final touch ups. Good luck! -- Matthew RD 16:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've left out the award info I asked you about, removed Tania stuff as it was over a few episodes and not worth including, Il Gnosh is a restaurant so I made it clear. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 18:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Touch ups
Overall, this is practically a good article, all the issues I put up previously are addressed, there are now only the odd touch ups that need to be dealt with; Just the odd ones, when they have been addressed, I'll go ahead and pass the article. -- Matthew RD 18:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The end of "Relationship with Beth Clement" is now unsourced.✅
 * Not essential, but how about alphabtise the categories.✅
 * There we go. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 18:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good job, I will pass the article. -- Matthew RD 19:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I counted five instances of Daily Mails (all linked) in the refs, and they have now all been unlinked through my actions. All five now are followed by 'location=UK', so where is the inconsistency? The location is only really necessary as a disambiguation field, so there is absolutely no need to populate it for many other journals, such as the 'New York Times' or 'San Francisco Chronicle'; the British Daily Mail is not the only one. Also, the consensus is not to link a term or word repeatedly. Daily Mail, only the second-best-selling British tabloid, is already linked to in the body of the text, and linking five times in the refs section is wholly unnecessary. The leading editors need to familiarise themselves with the Manual of Style, as the article concerned contained (and still does) contain breaches thereof. I have attempted to fix some of these – such as italicisation only of periodicals or works) pursuant to its listing as WP:GAN. The remaining breaches, although minor, may well not pass muster with some reviewers. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)