Talk:Gilman Hot Springs

Great new article
I like the new article. Good job. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you @Grorp! jengod (talk) 02:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support and message below @Grorp and a big thank you @Jengod for being such a great collaborator! Netherzone (talk) 02:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ditto @Netherzone :) jengod (talk) 03:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Two original articles
I have recorded the old AfD on this talk page even though the article title is a little different. There were two redirects to choose from when recreating this article: Gilman Hot Springs, California and Gilman Hot Springs. The first was the one with the long edit history that was merged after AfD to Gold Base; the second was only ever an alternative name redirect. Unfortunately, it was the second one which was chosen to construct the new content.

If the first one had been chosen, then it would keep the proper edit and action histories clear-cut. I'm not sure if there's any way to merge the histories of Gilman Hot Springs, California and Gilman Hot Springs at this point.

I'm leaving this note here for anyone else looking into this and getting confused. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe an admin could merge the histories via use of some Magickal Power I do not understand. ? jengod (talk) 02:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Grorp, it was I that made that error. I didn't notice the other redirect to GHS, California until after I made the first redirect. I am not sure how to correct my mistake. Perhaps @Jengod knows, and if not, I will ask a few other editors what can be done to preserve the history. Thank you for your interest in the article and for adding the old AfD (I also was not sure how to do that.) Ever onward...always new things to learn on WP! Netherzone (talk) 02:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Distinguishing the two Gilman Hot Springs articles
I changed the Gilman Hot Springs, California redirect into a [pathetically deficient] stub for the unincorporated community in Riverside County.

It seems it has a zip code so there are likely some other things in "Gilman Hot Springs, California 92583" that are not part of the old "hot springs" resorts and also not part of Scientology's Gold Base. A bunch of the Scientology articles refer to "Gilman Hot Springs" as if it is a location like a town, not an ex-resort. I'm working my way through the articles which mention 'gilman hot springs' and change them to point to the correct one of two 'gilman hot springs' articles.

Feel free to update that article, too. I don't really know if the Gold Base property IS the entirety of "Gilman Hot Springs" or whether it covers less—or more—ground than the "community" of that name. Maybe you know. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 01:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think I can figure out based on acreage but I think it's the same. Hold pls jengod (talk) 02:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that is correct that the Gilman Hot Springs, California was an article for the settlement (which is now Gold Base?) The other old article, Gilman Hot Springs, I'm guessing was for the hot springs as a geological feature (not a settlement). The current article (this one) is for the hot springs (as a geological feature), which are definitely notable (per current sourcing and improvements). Netherzone (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Fail. I think essentially yes all 500+ acres were GHS but I'm also seeing 300 acres and 2000 acres so...IDK. Sorry. jengod (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. I really wouldn't be surprised if the old resort properties changed acreage from buys/sells over time, and same after C of Scientology bought it.
 * I'm pretty sure the only content for over a decade was the history section in Gold base, so it was used for both the map location as well as the "old resort" history.
 * At least now we have two articles with distinct purposes.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀  02:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)