Talk:Giratina

Final Fantasy's Weapon
Giratina reminds me of Omega and Ultima Weapon within the Final Fantasy universe...
 * Next! -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Centaur??
Hold on.....a "centaur?" It looks more like a centipede..... Emerald Melios 19:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's just the first thing that came to my mind. I'm talking about the structure as in the shape of the body. That's the only thing that came to mind that could properly describe it. Nemu 19:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Third game
yo man, couldnt the third game be called platnium?

Well, Coronis of SPP said that the follow-up for Diamond/Pearl might be called "Pokémon Girasol", or just "Opal." Personally, I think Emurit might represent the follow-up.--67.87.66.127 01:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the follow-up would most likely be called "Opal," as previously stated. Giratina is generally considered to be the third counterpart to Dialga/Palkia (although not officially confirmed), and, as it states in the article, Giratina's name could come from Girasol, which is a form of Opal. (Pokemon Girasol Version sounds nicer, but none of the little kids would know what Girasol was : Sincerely, Thrashmeister {U|T|C} 00:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Third legendary
Doesn't the statement of it being the third legendary with Diagla and Palkia seem a little big like original research? ~ H J  [talk] @  ½   -00:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)(UTC)

Satan
Giratina CANNOT be representative of Satan. Whilst the appearance at graveyards demonstrates that this Pokemon has some sort of link to the after-life, we know nothing of the actual dimension that Giratina resides in. Until a future game comes out that lets us see the inside of this cimension, or gives us concrete evidence of where it is (saying it's the "opposite" of the human world is very broad. That could mean anything.) I say we don't reference Satan or anything else. To me, it seems the writer wanted to make Pokemon look bad. That isn't what Wikipedia is for, correct? 89.240.156.175 22:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's most likely someone breathing way to much into it then it really is. I doubt Nintendo would do anything that could be considered so subliminal, considering how much garbage they've taken from Christain groups in the past.
 * They've also taken crap from the Anti-Defamation League over a Japanese card with a manji (reverse swastika) on it (The manji is a religious symbol in Japan). Also, please sign your posts. -Jeske (v^_^v) 05:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

6-legged dinosaur
Is Giratina a 6 legged dinosaur? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.49.222 (talk) 23:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. And it would be original research unless perhaps Nintendo or someone as reputable described it as such.&mdash;M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 18:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Image
The image is made by pokemonsafari. com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.122.70.42 (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, okay, we'd prefer images made by Ken Sugimori. If you meant that's where it came from, then...&mdash;M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The Pokemonsafari images is said to be from Sugimori. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.122.70.42 (talk) 00:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. But if you look, it also says:
 * "AVISO: Si vas a un museo y te gusta un cuadro, no lo robas, ¿verdad?. Pues con esta galería de imágenes pasa lo mismo. Me ha llevado tiempo sacar estas imágenes de forma manual de todos los juegos, incluido Pokémon Stadium, Colosseum y Esmeralda, por lo tanto, espero que no las reutilicéis en vuestros sitios web."
 * Which translates roughly to:
 * "Warning: If you go to a museum and you like a painting, you don't steal it, right? Well, with this image gallery it is the same. It took time for me [?] to take these pictures manually [?] from all the games, including Pokémon Stadium, Colosseum and Emerald [?], therefore, I hope that you do not reuse it in your web sites."
 * Meaning we shouldn't use those pictures.&mdash;M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 00:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

So, did you like it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.47.163 (talk) 23:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not really relevant here...&mdash;M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 23:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

So, that means you like it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.91.47.163 (talk) 23:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

And that means what, exactly? Blue Mirage | Comment 08:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC) That means don't steal it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.92.9 (talk • contribs)

...you REALLY thought I didn't know that? -_- Blue Mirage | Comment 23:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

wrong info
giratinas japanese name is NOT girasoul! its english name isnt revealed yet, and its japanese name is actually giradina. no changing it pleez! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaosemeraldking (talk • contribs) 11:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Won't be a problem. It was most likely overlooked when someone changed it. Thanks for catching it.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 20:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Basilisk
If Giratina is based off of the basilisk, then what were Dialga and Palkia based off of?-

Possibly dinosaurs. I doubt that they based these legendaries off of anything,just cliche dragons

Floramage! 16:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Giratina sorta reminiscent of...
Armaldo? :O Totema1 04:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Pretty much just the vaguest shape of its jaw. Anywhere, this isn't a place to talk of such things.—ウルタプ 04:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually resemble's Torterra's head more. I know this isn't the place to discuss this but I just had to mention it... 195.195.15.250 12:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Mojanboss

Who are you tacking about?Anubiz 13:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Third Game
People are overlooking the most obvious thing. Giratina is not in the Sinnoh dex, and it's really unlikely that you could either get the national dex before beating the Elite Four, or having the event afterwards, which has never happened before. I agree with earlier comments that Mesprit is more likely to be the third mascot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.185.192.83 (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Either/or, a third game has NOT yet been announced or confirmed, and we are not here to play Miss Cleo, Xatu or any other telepath that can see into the future. -Jeske (v^_^v) 01:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair point, it's like trying to say there will be a gold/silver remake (which a lot of evidence points to) it's possible, but you can't tell till it's out. Anyways what color would a Mesprit game be, Pokemon Magenta? Lameness68.185.192.83 02:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hate to burst your bubble... but Magmortar isn't in the Sinnoh Dex, either (Magmar isn't obtainable 'till the National Dex). Just because Giratina's absent doesn't mean he's not in the game - au contraire, he's likely a hard-to find or hard-to-catch legendary that appears after you get the Nat'l Dex. -Jeske (v^_^v) 03:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But then again, Emerald was based off Rayquaza, a Pokemon that is only encountered after beating the Elite Four, similiar to how you can only see Giratina after obtaining the National Dex and beating the Elite Four. Giratina does look like a capable candidate for the third game of the Diamond and Pearl series. Besides, if it was, everything would get much more interesting. A badass Pokemon like that deserves heavy recognition imo.
 * Wikipedia is not the place to build reputation if you're an article subject (the sole exceptions are the Bogdanoffs and Seigenthaler, and those are for all the wrong reasons). -Jeske (v^_^v) 05:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Giratina NOT Dialga/Palkia's counterpart
Why does every one keep saying this. It sounds completely ludicrous to me. I do NOT think it looks like the other two at all. It only has a very slight resemblance, and to me that is not nearly enough to claim it to be their third. Also, its background info and pokedex entries do not seem to give any kind of suggestion what-so-ever on a connection to the others. Dialga and Palkia are the creators of the physical universe and the masters of space and time. Giratina seems to me to be a sort of Grim Reaper of pokemon. Can someone please explain to me how in the world the grim reaper is suppose to be connected to the masters of space and time. It just does not make logical sense to me. There are so many legendary pokemon in D/P that if they make a third game, there would be so many much better candidates for a mascot then Giratina The Great Morgil 19:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whom? Arceus is an event (as are Darkrai and Shaymin), no member of a trio has mascoted, and Regigigas is not in the Sinnoh dex.  Giratina sounds much more reasonable in light of all this, but Heatran and Cresselia aren't far behind. -Jeske (v^_^v) 00:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

You say no member of a trio, but i think your forgetting Suicune with Crystal version. You also say it can't be Regegigas cuz it wasn't in the shinnoh dex. That also is a very poor arguing point, since Giratina, Heatran, and Cresselia aren't in the Shinnoh dex, either. Besides, the so-called third game is just speculation right now anyways. Just like the supposed assumption of Gold/Silver remakes. You're looking way too much into this. If there is a third game, then you'll find out when the time comes, but for now just stop making asinine predictions with poor/no evidence to back them up.68.238.12.151 18:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I try not to, but I can't help respond to a new thread. -Jeske (v^_^v) 00:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

4th Lake Pokemon?
Yo! I am new here, just to say.

I just wanted to say that I read somewhere that Giratina is a 4th lake Pokemon (along with Azelf, Mesprit and Uxie.)   (LatiRider 03:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC))
 * Yes, it is found at a secret fourth lake. 69.177.250.237 05:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Then Rayquaza made Regigigas to make the Regis. Rayquaza is to Giratina as Ho-Oh is to Lugia.
 * No, Rayquaza is the Calmer of the Clash of Land and Sea; he hasn't created anything. Canon seems to support Regigigas having created the three Regis.  Also, Giratina lives in an alternate universe from the Enlightened, and AFAIK, does not control them (as Lugia does the Mirages or Ho-Oh the hinds. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 20:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, explain how Arceus made a 60 foot long legendary pokemon with higher attack and special attack than it (Rayquaza). Does Arceus have to be the first pokemon? No, like everything else about pokemon creation except the trio guardians.
 * Actually, there's two distinct camps here. There are evolutionists, like me, who believe Mew propagated every specie (save the deific beings - the Regis, Arceus, etc. - and the artificial species - Porygon, Mewtwo, Deoxys).  Then there are creationists, who believe Arceus created everything (and the game says that Arceus created Palkia, Dialga, and the Enlightened (Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit)).  Your argument of "a monster w/ higher blah blah" doesn't hold water, because then you have no explanation for Deoxys's forms.  In any case, the game (D/P) seems to state that Arceus was the first, and that Rayquaza came after Arceus was done playing Khaos. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 18:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Who ever said there has to be ONE first pokemon? Sometimes myths are fake. Deoxys is just D.N.A. mutated by a laser beam.
 * See mythology, whomever just noted that. However, the myth is all we have to go by in terms of canon.
 * Plus, it doesn't matter if Deoxys was irradiated camel shit buried in the tomb of King Hugivsafuk. If he is a Poke, then, according to Pokécreationists, Arceus created him.  The same follows for the Progenitor Embryo. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 00:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

But you're an evolutionist. Are Rayquaza and Giratina important? Rayquaza=Offense and Giratina=Defense. You believe Mew propagated Arceus? Rayquaza+Giratina=Mew+Arceus. Those four are just as important. Think openly. Deoxys=D.N.A.+Laser Beam.
 * Read above - I believe Mew propagated all species save the deific ones and the artificial ones. Creationists believe that Arceus created every Poke in existence - INCLUDING Deoxys AND the DNA he mutated from, Mewtwo and the poke that gave birth to him/he was cloned from (Different canons), and Hoenn's elementals.  besides, I notice you're hinging your whole argument on the elementals of Hoenn - not the Mirages, the Hinds, the Regis, nothing else except the elementals.  Just because a particular Poke has a higher stat than Mew (100) doesn't mean anything.  So does Rampardos, so does Floatsel, so does Blissey, so does well over half the Dex. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 17:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Elementals of Hoenn? No, Rayquaza and Giratina. Giratina might be Dialgia and Palkia's guardian and the 4th lake pokemon, and you know the D/P myths. Rayquaza is very powerful and came from a different reigon. Aren't they a duo like Ho-Oh and Lugia? Also, Most Rayquaza can beat Most Mew with Extremespeed. Most Giratina can beat Mew with Shadow Force. Grass-type Arceus has less than a 10% chance of beating Rayquaza/Giratina. Different laser beams result in different statistics for Deoxys. After all, who said there has to be ONE first pokemon? My theory is that Rayquaza, Giratina, Arceus and Mew were the four first pokemon and made all the others (besides Mewtwo and the like). I'm not doubting Ho-Oh and Lugia's power; it probably took them tons of energy to make them. Same for Regigigas and other powerful and versatile pokemon. How about theories before the 4th generation?
 * Giratina is UNRELATED to any of the other legendaries in D/P. The fact it's found at a secret 4th lake, as already explained above, does not constitute kinship.  Also, they can't be a duo - Rayquaza (air) does not control Groudon (fire/earth) or Kyogre (water), it just tells them to back off before something gets hurt.  Further, Hoenn canon says that Rayquaza came down after Kyogre and Groudon started scrapping (I'm not talking about the cutscenes in Emerald). Also, the canon disproves your "more than one" argument above - Rayquaza came after Groudon and Kyogre, Giratina is unrelated to Arceus, and it can be debated one way or the other with Mew and Arceus. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 19:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

There is one. I meant the video games when they battle. Rayquaza's yellow hyroglyphic markings emit a yellow beam and stop them. This debate is pointless because we both have no proof.
 * That doesn't mean he exerts control over them, and the canon even supports the "stop the fight" theory. but on the matter od Giratina, you are correct - this is moot. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 21:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's just say we don't know and wait until the third D/P game comes out (if there is one) and the 5th generation. Why doesn't anybody realize that Rayquaza isn't controlled by orb and that it uses its markings to stop Groudon and Kyogre? How about Dialgia and Palkia? Do they have to do with Giratina? Only the future will bring answers (it might not).
 * Groudon and Kyogre are awakened, not controlled, by orbs. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 22:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right. So Maxie and Archie are dumbies (everyone knows that). No one knows for sure what the first pokemon is.
 * I have something to say...The game says that out of nothing, the egg of Arceus appeared and hatched, and so Arceus created everything...Who's to say that that egg wasn't random? What if another Pokemon (i.e. Giratina) created it and sent it to this universe?
 * Erm, see Chaos (mythology) and Gaia (mythology). Chaos is the "nothingness" that spawned Gaia. The same could very well apply to Arceus.-Jeske ( v^_^v ) 04:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

WHAT THE HELL DOES RAYQUAZA AND HO-OH HAVE TO DO WITH GIRATINA?! -Fear teh Happy! 22:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The same as the Beholder has to do with Diablo II. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 00:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

No one knows anything about this. That "other" pokemon could be Rayquaza, Giratina or Mew. Oh, and rayquaza=sky/heaven, giratina=underworld/hell. They have the same base power, both dragon-types (partly) and both are "duo guardians."

Giratina is a giraffe
The "Gira" in Giratina's name may be Giraffe. --Riley the Kirlia 16:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks nothing like. Next! -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 04:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Guys, Giratina doesn't have to be based off ANYTHING. I mean, hell, what the hell is Glaceon based off, then? Some pokemon are just conjured off of imagination of the designers. Though now that I think of it... That can only be said for SOME starters and most legendaries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.193.152 (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Antagonist?
Why is Giratina listed under "Nintendo Antagonists"? He maintains the balance of matter (or some such crap), and I can't do anything evil, even when I capture him. 96.42.112.136 (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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