Talk:Girdle of femininity/masculinity

Is that for real?
You mean this exists outside The Order of the Stick? Wow. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 13:13, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto the above. --Pentasyllabic 15:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Something this outrageous easily sounds like an original creation, but apparently it has a long and, er, glorious history. --Kizor 17:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

LGBT
i think inclusion of this article in this project conflicts with the projects scope.

What this Wikiproject is not

1. This project does not extend beyond the cultural, political and historical manifestation of same-sex, bisexual, or transgender identities, attractions, and relationships, and related societal reactions.

which seems to mean to me that unless an article falls under one of these categories that it is not included in in the scope of that project, and ask how this article about a fictional item fits in any of those categories?

is it a misunderstanding by the provided information on the item that has made someone think it is relevant to the LGBT? or is it possibly a mistake in trying to created sexual inferences in something that only infers outward physical appearance changes as would be the same for many other things in D&D like shapechange, polymorph, etc. is there some big controversy about this item in the real-world that isn't mentioned in this article that has caused problems? what is the reasoning behind this article being included in the LGBT project if not a misunderstanding about the fictional item? shadzar-talk 08:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think someone could make the case that it is related to transgender issues in that it is an object (albeit fictional) that causes the sex of a person to change - it is an agent of transgendering. As such, I think it does fall within the umbrella of the LGBT project. Its notability is another question altogether. Leave it in the project, but feel free to nominate it for deletion at AfD. That will make sure that any members of the project who are interested will have a chance to see the nomination (as we list them all on our project page). Aleta  Sing 15:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree with Aleta - it definitely is part of the project, since it changes a character's gender, but whether or not it's notable enough to actually have an article, that's debatable. I just spent an hour searching Google and found precious little.  -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * so it really has no impact on that project other than it is something that changes a characters gender physically. since it had been tagged for over a year with no mention within the project itself and no one from that project seemed to be working on the article or anything i wanted to make sure what tis relevance was prior to addressing its notabiltiy and either suggestung merging it into a list of D&D iconic magic items, or jsut deleting it all together as non-notable. shadzar-talk 09:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * After the hour or more scouring Google for mentions, I would not object to merging or deleting. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm copying the below comment from WT:LGBT. Aleta  Sing 12:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * D&D geek here. It refers to a fictional cursed magical item that I BELIEVE was first noted in pop culture in The Order of the Stick, where it was called the girdle of gender change.  Once the wearer puts it on, it causes them to be the opposite sex and it is "impossible" to remove except under very specific circumstances, the nature of which elude me at this time.  It has become a rather notable part of the D&D culture and was first written in the first edition source rule books.  It also makes appearance in the original Baldur's Gate, an older computer game. I believe it has notability for transgendered persons largely because of its appearance in Order of the Stick, where the wearer Roy Greenhilt seemed to experience dysphoria during his prolonged transformation to a female form.  I've found the girdle useful as a "bridge of communication" with non-transpersons.Taineyah (talk) 04:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * that is pretty much all contained within the article itself... shadzar-talk 14:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)