Talk:Girl on Fire (album)

For expansion

 * http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/27/entertainment/la-et-ms-alicia-keys-20121128
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/1698362/alicia-keys-fire-album-debut/

Samsonite Man (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Allmusic sidebar
I know this may be the only source available right now, but Allmusic's sidebar citing the first sentence in the "music and lyrics" section should be replaced sooner or later. Editors in the past have pointed out that it is often incongruous with the reviewer's prose (possibly not the reviewer's choice), including at WP:ALBUMS and RSN. A good example is Rhythm Killers and its entry at Allmusic; the sidebar lists it as "reggae", but the reviewer observes "no reggae in sight really". If this is the only source available for a certain article, then it's fine, but more explicit, authored sources are preferred. Dan56 (talk) 04:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Irish albums chart
Where does the irish chart placement come from? In the official IRMA page the album isn't present at all, considering that it hasn't spent a full week out yet. --37.117.68.134 (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The official chart is published here. And as per the link Girl on Fire debuted at number 27. In Ireland albums are released on a Friday because the chart is published on a Friday, thus it was released November 23, 2012 and its first chartable entry date is November 30, 2012. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  14:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Album cover
The current album cover is an iTunes only specific one, all the other retailers are using the one with the logo in the center not in the upper right corner. Just curious, shouldn't we use the cover, which most except for one source/retailer is selling and using?HotHat (talk) 06:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  14:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

– The article seems to be the primary topic, due to the visibility it has. There are four items with this name: the album, a song from this album, a song by Rob Zombie that is a redirect, and the nickname of a character. Seems correct in this case. --Relisted Tyrol5   [Talk]  02:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)  Relisted. BDD (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  21:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Girl on Fire (album) → Girl on Fire
 * Girl on Fire → Girl on Fire (disambiguation)
 * Comment this is an improperly formatted multimove. Can someone correct it? -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 00:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Corrected, it was basically the same. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  11:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Ar  re   12:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Statυs  ( talk ) 13:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The song seems as, if not more, notable than the album. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support.  Snap Snap  17:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose—I think the song should be at Girl on Fire. The album should probably stay where it is. Or is there some reason why we think the album, and not the song, is the primary topic? ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 15:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * comment the album is the primary topic, because an album could contain several successful singles, but a successful single itself is just one topic/item. In this case, its a relatively successful album that has spawned a successful single. The song "Girl on Fire" is just a successful song. The song is part of a parent body of work, hence the album is technically the primary topic. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  15:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you think any of that makes the album the primary topic. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. One way to think about it is: which is more likely to be what people are seeking when they search for "Girl on Fire"? I may be off, but I'll be very surprised if it is the album. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 15:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Whilst at the moment its hard to judge because there's only been one single from the album, and its second single is still in the process of being released but down the line its more likely that people will search for the album. There where similar discussions with releases by Whitney Houston and Cheryl Cole all which resulted in the album being the primary topic e.g. I Look to You ("I look to You") and 3 Words ("3 Words"). One good way of judging is to look at the page view statistics, Girl on Fire (album) got 152,196 views in December 2012, whereas "Girl on Fire (song)" got 68,087 views. The album got nearly 1.5× more views. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  16:10, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Single should be primary topic. Unreal7 (talk) 11:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Despite that an album is more viewed than a song, there are still over 1,000 views per day. Making an album a primary topic is too detrimental to 1,600 readers who do not want to read about the whole album in the first place. Also, there is Girls on Fire, a 1985 porn film. By the way, the dab page still has 100-200 per day views. There are other songs with same name, but I've not included them in dab page yet. --George Ho (talk) 22:07, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are more songs, add them (none of them have articles, though). For the porn film, there is a difference between "Girl" and "Girls" (compare Girl Gone Wild v. Girls Gone Wild), also it doesn't exist, so it is unneeded to be added. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was considering closing this as no consensus, but I'll leave it to an admin. Though support votes outnumber oppose votes 4-3, I note that not a single support voter advanced any sort of argument! Not even a "per" someone else. See WP:JUSTAVOTE. If any of those editors are still watching this page, I'd highly encourage them to make arguments, even if they're just "per nom." --BDD (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. This is the obvious primary topic; it's been viewed far more times than the song, which is the only ambiguous article.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - while the album does have more page hits than the song, it isn't an overwhelming majority (less than 2:1 - album vs song), so I think it would be better to leave this as a dab page. Cheers, Rai • me  05:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Support and put a hatnote to both the song and dab page. It's the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC looking at the stats. There were 9000 visitors to the dab page last month - they currently all have to make another click to find the article they want. The stats indicate that the majority of those were looking for the album so by moving as proposed these people get to the info they want quicker (without having to go through the dab page). Having the hatnote means those looking for the song still have to click once to see that article (same as they do now) but the majority of the 9000 people who were looking for the album get to where they want to be straight away (at no detriment to those looking for the song). Also there seems to be a general consensus to do this already in similar situations (e.g. Back in Black, Born This Way, American Idiot, Some Nights). 82.132.217.134 (talk) 01:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose but with something of a yawn... as the candidates for primary topic are the album and its title track which was also released as a single (and did a little better than the album on the charts), I don't think that there's any likelihood of there being a primary topic. Impossible to choose between them. But by the same token there would be very little harm in having either the album or the single at the undisambiguated name. Andrewa (talk) 11:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Latin quote
I just want to point out that while Pitchfork translated "adagio again" from "De novo adagio" the correct translation is "adagio about something new" or "adagio of something new." Maybe it should be changed regardless of the source's reliability this time.--93.65.103.59 (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * According to who? This book verifies "again" as one of the possible translations, which would correspond to the Pitchfork critic cited in this article. Dan56 (talk) 19:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

"Girl on Fire" to "Girl On Fire"
Why is "on" not capitalized here? As it functions in the sentence, the word "on" is not a preposition, but part of the phrasal verb "on fire", which would mean that it should be capitalized, according to convention. For similar uses, see "Hold On to the Nights" (with "Hold On" functioning as the phrasal verb), "Walk On By (Burt Bacharach and Hal David song)" ("Walk On") "Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)" ("Shut Up"). Thoughts?

PS: WP:MOS states

The following words should be capitalized:

The first and last word of the title Every adjective, adverb, noun, pronoun and subordinating conjunction (Me, It, His, If, etc.) Every verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Was, Were, Been) Prepositions that contain five letters or more (During, Through, About, Until, etc.) '''Words that have the same form as prepositions, but are not being used specifically as prepositions Particles of phrasal verbs (e.g. "Give Up the Ghost", "Walk On")''' The first word in a compound preposition (e.g. "Time Out of Mind", "Get Off of My Cloud"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.142.118 (talk) 05:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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