Talk:Girlfriend (Avril Lavigne song)/Archive 1

covers?
is the pigeon detectives' cover on jo wiley's show notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.96.208 (talk) 03:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Already Premiered In New Zealand
I see the world premiere has been announced for TRL but in New Zealand last night it premiered on Music Station C4 days earlier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.88.21.198 (talk) 04:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Even if it's leaked anywhere or premiered elsewhere, videos are often promoted as a "world premiere."

Sorry
I'm sorry! It looks like the source was wrong. I think Billboard screwed up. Being at it's airplay shot up and donloads shot up should of put it at a top 50 debut! Tcatron565 00:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Brazil
In Brazil the Hit at #1 in Play TV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.29.196.33 (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Question - please answer....
I've heard "Girlfriend" on the radio in Southwest Victoria, Australia (on Mixx FM) and on Video Hits on Channel 10 Australia, where Lavigne sings:

"I'll be the mother (Blank)-ing princess"

...which is clearly an expletive. Should I say in the article, "The single also obtained a Parental Advisory sticker"? PLEASE HELP! Jetstar888 05:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're correct that the single does contain explicit language, but I haven't actually seen a physical copy of the single yet, so I'm not sure whether it definitely does bear a parental advisory label. However, to digress, even if the single does bear a sticker, these days many recordings contain language that may be offensive to some people, so I'm not sure that it's really notable for a Wikipedia article.  Besides, the word "fuck" is no longer considered offensive per se, at least by the legal system in NSW, so if Wikipedia editors make a big deal out of such language, we are imposing our own values on what is intended to be an objective article.  As far as I can tell, Girlfriend is also the first time Lavigne has used the word "delicious" in a song, but mentioning that in the article would just look ridiculous, so why should "fuck" be treated any different? — Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 07:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I apologise!!! Next time, I'll keep my big mouth shut! Jetstar888 05:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC) :_(
 * Sorry, I suppose that was a little harsh. I didn't mean to offend you, and by all means don't let this deter you from adding something that you feel might be relevant.  My comment was not just directed at you, but also at a number of other editors who have been adding information to this article that is not really objective - I seem to recall a couple of times that this article has been altered to mention the offensive language in a fairly judgemental way, and I was just trying to prevent that from happening again.--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 07:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Your apology is accepted. :-D I suppose that would have been a ridiculous thing to put in the article, anyway!! Jetstar888 04:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Model in the video
Anyone got info who the guy there is? Berserkerz Crit 18:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

itunes
Who took out the itunes on the charts I know that they are not Conventional but digital downloads are important because it a new way of measuring the songs success Avril Lavigne’s girlfriend debuted number 1 in Canada and number 2 in the US


 * It doesn't really matter that the song was particularly successful on the itunes chart, the point is that Wikipedia policy clearly states that itunes chart data should not be used - see WP:CHARTS. If you think that this policy should be changed, why not raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Record charts?--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 07:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up, my fault i see what your saying because itunes is an independent company and the page would be overfull with companys such as amazon and wal-mart ect. Does Billbord have a digital download countdown ? If not there should be one.
 * There are two, Hot Digital Songs and Hot Digital Tracks. They also shouldn't be used in the table.  The table is for showing a song's performance in various countries and genres.  Using the Billboard Hot 100 gives one a much better understanding of a song's performance since it takes airplay, singles sales, and digital downloads into consideration.  ShadowHalo 07:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it might be OK to use either one of the download charts if the single fails to chart on the proper Hot 100, but does appear on one of the component charts - WP:CHARTS indicates this. Of course, once the song does reach the Hot 100 (as it almost certainly will), the component positions become redundant.--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 07:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Versions
how many versions of Girlfriend she do?

She has released 7 so far in Mandarin, Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish, French, German, Italian and English. I read somewhere she tried Hindu but it didnt work out


 * Is is appropriate to use YouTube comments as a citation for "In some of these versions she is criticized for her poor accents."? The Geeklord 02:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Japan
I thought it went to number one in Japan. Did it not ? and if it did way is it not included ?

168.7.240.165 (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC) Plus, this song was also featured very prominently on the show Hana Kimi (or Hanazakari no Kimitachi e) Japanese 2007 version as the background music in its CM and in the last episode. Don't know if this is relevant or not, just want to make sure. By the way, this show is huge in Japan and Southeast Asia.

Drunk?
Apparently, she was drunk when she wrote this song. Should that fact be included? I can't confirm it though. Rikitana 16:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You answered your own question. SmallRepair 03:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Isn't she drunk when she writes all of her songs? No wait that's Jewel. I didn't say that to be mean, either, it's actually something that's said of her. Well her old stuff anyway, you know, before she sold out. But yeah I liked this song at first but if you listen to the song "I Can Do Better" it sounds almost EXACTLY the same. --DancexwithxmexXx 21:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

She doesn't even write the songs-she works with The Matrix, a songwriting team.--69.138.129.63 16:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning iTunes?
Should we mention the song's position on iTunes? It is like a music chart, right? I think it is at number 3 right now, but I can't be positive. 67.81.170.159 21:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Billboard charts are record charts. The iTunes one is just a list of most downloaded songs on iTunes.  Considering the Billboard ones are official charts and already take into account iTunes downloads, there's no reason to include iTunes lists which won't be verifiable in a couple of weeks.  For more information, please see Record charts.  ShadowHalo 02:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Dropping quotation about song
I removed this:"The song is described by Lavigne herself as being 'fast, fun, young, bratty, aggressive, confident, cocky in a playful way...all the good stuff'" because it was uncited. I searched via google for the quote and found it at. Here is the entire quote:"Lavigne wrote. 'The single comes out February and the record in April. I promise you guys will love this record, it is my favorite one!!! And I can't wait!!!!! It is really fast, fun, young, bratty, aggressive, confident, cocky in a playful way ... all the good stuff.'"This is from her Myspace page. The "It" in "It is really fast,..." does not necessarily mean the song, "Girlfriend" but I take it to mean the album, "The Best Damn Thing." SmallRepair 03:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

youtube violation
so what exactly was the violation that took the video down after 3 months? it was the 2nd most watched of all time, and then right before it becomes #1, it gets taken down? weird.

..Oh God i hope not! That remix has got to be the most in-coherent "drunk-guy-with-pro-tools-mix" ever.. It may even take the title for Most retarded/annoying song away from 'Hollaback Girl'! But yes from what i hear apparently they are; I'll try to find a link.. --203.129.38.144 18:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Both songs rock!

Chorus wrote in 2 minutes
Please see here and tell me if this is notable. -Wakkkakakaka363 03:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

i love this song and "umbrella"just deadly songs real kinda dancy belting out the chorus in a small room with lots of people kinda song.

Failed GA
I've failed this article for GA status. Here are some things to improve or fix before renominating: Though I probably wouldn't fail an article over it alone, the use of a Release dates section is dubious. 17Drew 08:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Information about the song's background and a description of the song's music, structure, and/or lyrics are almost non-existent. Of the two sentences that address it, one is unsourced.
 * Much of the Release and chart performance section is unsourced.
 * Many of the chart positions are unreferenced.
 * The references are neither properly nor consistently formatted.

YouTube all-time most viewed chart listing
This news item is worth a look, and possibly a mention in the article. It has been clear for a long time that the viewing figures for the YouTube video of Girlfriend are being massaged in some way, so that even if it overtakes Evolution of Dance it will not mean very much. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * imo, evolution of dance is cheating as well.. there is no chance of getting that many views legally. --Darth NormaN (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since Girlfriend is now poised to overtake Youtube top spot (less than 1M difference from Evolution of Dnace). The article (as written) was confusing. Article seems to indicate that all top songs had a hack (music is my hot hot sex worst offender, hence struck from record. Girlfriend and Evolution of dance both not so bad offenders?!) In any event-if and when Girlfriend is #1 (even if temporary) should all the weasel words in the article be taken away (at least until Avril is overtaken?!)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.222.141.46 (talk) 22:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was my understanding a group of avril fans used a program to cheat the views? It was heavily reported at the time 99.232.196.201 (talk) 06:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Where Can I Find
Where can I find this song without the bad word at the first verse? 202.128.36.34 (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)lolz89


 * Just buy the album or single in the standart edition. or watch the video. all those versions are clean! --Oli (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a forum, y'know ^^.--Revilal90 (talk) 16:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Video
Add 4 million, 210 thousand views for the identical upload by AvrilLavigne. Seriously, how does that not get removed? Daniel Christensen (talk) 23:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Stolen Song?
Can we get more citations on this? Also, maybe it should be removed. Anyone who knows anything about the entertainment industry knows that they recycle stuff from 1-2 decades ago constantly to almost constantly, songs, movies, everything. That these guys would sue really shows that they're losers without any paying jobs, not that they're entitled to their own creative work. They probably stole most of their song from some unknown hit in the 1960s or 50s. Oh, and the idea that it's similar to 'Cloud' ? That's beansoup for legal purposes, like Wall-E not looking like Short Circuit. Those people should be deeply ashamed for publicly making such blatant lies.

Epigraphist (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC).

New YouTube removal?
Dec 2, 2009, I just noticed the song was taken down again? I can't even find it on youtube let alone as one of the top viewed videoes of all time. anyone knwo the score? Thegallery (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Quite right, the version with around 130 million views seems to be missing from the charts and the site at the moment. A mystery, so can anyone help here?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "Girlfriend" is now showing as "This video has been removed by the user." It looks like the end of the road for one of YouTube's most famous videos, and the article should be updated to reflect this. What is annoying is that no reason is given for the removal, and a Google search offered no help on this either.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 21:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * According to TubeMogul, the removal occurred on November 23, 2009. It is now clear that the RCA version has gone, but it is a pity that we do not know exactly why.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems that the video's new home is on Vevo, where it is quoted as having 130 million views. This is somewhat disingenuous, because this view count comes from the video's time on YouTube. Vevo is a specialist music video site and is not available outside the US at the moment. Vevo has only just been officially launched, but the departure of "Girlfriend" from YouTube may mark a wider shift towards the big record companies removing their videos from YouTube.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

"Cheating" on YouTube
It is not disputed that in mid-2008, Avril Lavigne fans were urged to open a page which refreshed the link to the "Girlfriend" video every 15 seconds. However, as this Wired News article points out, YouTube was aware of this and denied that the view count and advertising revenue were being mainipulated. Since any attempt to do this would show up as coming from a single IP address, it would be easy to discount the views as meaningless spam. A long time ago, I read somewhere that YouTube bans an individual IP address from watching more than 200 videos per day. I don't know if this is still true, but YouTube probably does have mechanisms that prevent spamming of the site by bots rather than human operators.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

At least your edits are better. Thanks for the fix. R•B2talk 10:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Topping the "Canadian Hot 100"
The article claims that the song reached number 1 on the Canadian Hot 100, but if you look through the list of number 1 singles (on wikipedia) Girlfriend never appears. The Canadian Hot 100 chart only began in June of 2007, a month after Girlfriend topped the Billboard Hot 100.

Is there something I am missing, or is this a mistake? --Cjhoyle (talk) 16:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Usually new discussions are started at the bottom of the page (I think), just so you know for the future ^_^

Anyway the chart has a source which backs it up. You can't use other wikipedia articles as a reliable source because they might also be wrong. Zylo1994 (talk) 17:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I just went and took a look at the source which is referenced for the Canadian Hot 100 chart, and it does not check out! The song did reach #6 in "Canada Airplay: The Hits Chart Top 100 (BDS)", but the Canadian Hot 100 isn't even mentioned.

I also went and looked on Billboards website and confirmed that those charts do no begin until June 2010. What is the protocol for removing incorrect information? Do I have reasonable grounds to remove that line from the chart?--Cjhoyle (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Genre
Stop adding pop punk! You don't know what pop punk is! Just because some stupid site who doesn't know much about punk rock says so, that doesn't mean she is!

"People label me as punk. I am not punk, never said I was and my music has nothing to do with punk rock! My music is different!"-Avril Lavigne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.26.49.213 (talk) 13:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think she called herself pop punk on her myspace. Anyway, we have a source for it. Did you ever think that maybe Avril doesn't draw inspiration from Punk Rock but instead draws inspiration from Skate Punk? Zylo1994 (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, she used to call herself pop punk but then all the people got angry and start calling her a poser so she admitted that she isn't punk and she also lied, saying that she never said that she was punk. She draws inspiration from skate punk? Hahah! Just because she named a song "skater boy" that doesn't mean she draws inspiration from skate punk. Her music sounds nothing like skate punk.And again,not every source is good. Anyone can get to write on a site whatever he wants about music but that doesn't mean he's an expert. We shouldn't trust any source. Just compare Avril's music with other pop punk bands (buzzcocks, green day, offspring, sum 41..). These surely don't sound alike. Or maybe Avril is the true pop punk artist and the other bands aren't. --Revilal90 (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As I've previously said, I personally think of her more as punk pop but this is getting picky; pop punk has sources so it stays. If you can't keep a neutral point of view then I suggest you find an article you're less attached to and contribute there. Zylo1994 (talk) 17:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Punk rock is something different that other genres; How can you take some people´s (who call Avril punk just because she calls herself that way) opinions as a good source, while punk rock bands and pioneers say that she isn´t pop punk? --84.217.29.160 (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That's exactly the point. Wikipedia doesn't take just one person's opinion.  All Wikipedia is is various amounts of published material about one topic organized into one collective article about that topic.  If one person says she's "Goth", there's no reason not to put it on the article.  If the source is reliable (the source has some notability--such as the NY Times, etc), it should be included in the article.  If another source says she's Classical, there's no reason not to put that in the article.
 * Articles do not simply choose one as correct, they merely report everything published about one specific topic, even if multiple sources vary.  ~ [ Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

This makes no sense
"Songwriters of the previous song later sued Lavigne and Dr. Luke for copyright infringement, before the suit was settled." I have no idea what that should say so I cannot fix it. I could remove the "before the suit was settled" but I feel that there is some potentially useful information related to something happening before the lawsuit was settled. Potatoj316 (talk) 23:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This sentence is indeed rubbish. The lawsuit was never "settled", as both Lavigne and Dr. Luke were exonerated from all wrongdoing.  Perhaps the beginning of the sentence should read "Songwriters of the latter song..." but the rest of it is total garbage.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:44, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Music Video
The article currently claims: "The song's accompanying music video, directed by The Malloys sees Lavigne portraying three alter-egos, with all of them fighting over the same guy." I disagree. It looks to me like there are two fighting and one singing but never interacting with the other two. Potatoj316 (talk) 23:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There are 3 "Lavignes" in the video, the redhead, the raven-haired, and the blonde (herself). But you are right, only 2 appear to pursue the lead male of the video.  ~ [  Scott M. Howard  ] ~ [  Talk  ]:[  Contribs  ] ~  23:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Plagiarism allegations in Drinking with Strangers
So this is how Butch Walker's new memoir says the song was written: Butch Walker plays his song for Avril Lavigne. She likes it so they show it to Dr. Luke. He says, no I don't like it, but ends up using it anyway with a new chorus borrowed from The Rubinoos' "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend". He tries to keep this from Butch Walker so he won't have to share credit. When Walker confronts him, he has him thrown out by security. Is this considered a reliable source since it's a memoir and not a book by a journalist? 74.231.46.68 (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Definitely not. Excuse my biased point of view, but Butch Walker is known for making things up in his books and memoirs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCraziestFun (talk • contribs) 02:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Your biased point of view is also incorrect, since Butch Walker only has one book/memoir. 74.128.79.116 (talk) 21:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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