Talk:Girls' Generation/Archive 2

Record Label
Why do you always remove Avex Group Taiwan on the infobox? RafaelPPascual (talk) 10:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Since Girls' Generation's Debut in Japan, all CDs and DVDs are published by Universal Music in Taiwan. here --Christian140 (talk) 22:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Image Replacement Concern
To those people who are going to replace SNSD's image with any promotional or fansite images, according to Wikipedia Policy about the fair use criteria, the use of such fair use image should be used if there is no free equivalent images available. However, there is at least one free images (as shown on the right) that can be used. Although promotional and fansite images could provide better quality, the quality of this free image is acceptable. The reason "Beautiful" and "Newer (if not taken and published under free license)" is not a criteria for usage of fair-use materials. Thank you. --G(x) (talk) 15:30, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What if the peron(s) who own the copyright on said fan or official sites allow the use of the image(s)? What then…? SilvestertheCat (talk) 13:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * If so, image should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, however as a precautionary, the copyright holder should also send their Declaration of consent to permissions-commons@undefinedwikimedia.org to state that copyright holder has allowed the image to be used under free license. Most of the newer image replaced in this article were sourced as Facebook, or some sites that retain full copyright over the content and the author has not clarify the use under free license of such content. If you find any other image that was released under free license, feel free to replace the current image with the new one every time. Thank you. --G(x) (talk) 15:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, okay thanks…now the hard part, actually being given permission to use an image. ;) SilvestertheCat (talk) 06:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Common information removed as unsourced?
I undid a revision 415204389. The information was said to be removed because of "unsourced claims", however I don't think that really applies to this type of information (A table consisting of the members Names and Date of birth). I may be wrong on this, but the point of making sure claims about living people are sourced is to insure non-defaming/un-true content is not present. However the information removed seems to be so called "common information", or at least i don't see things like the name of a person being sourced in other articles. If anything maybe I could see the DOB needing to be removed if unsourced.

Just wanted to state my reason on un-doing that revision and start some sort of discusion on the matter. Grayfm (talk) 04:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with your action. There are many sources that can be found for the information regarding the group members. SilvestertheCat (talk) 05:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * -- Yeah, I agree with Mr. Grayfm, too. The data like names and birthdays of living persons are the most basic part, but it is also difficult to find a reliable or verifiable source indicating those information of an entertainer from news reports. It would be more impossible for us to find a usable reference when their official website doesn't mention the information we need.


 * As I know, there are Korean fans celebrate for each members' birthdays on internet every year. The members would also response the fans and say their birthday wishes out. Those interactions were all recorded by fansites, but of course, they cannot be taken as reliable sources to prove their birthdays only because they are from forums. Still, I think it might be too over to delete the information on wiki page only by accusing them as "unsourced claims". If we put this restrictive standard on every wiki page of entertainers, there will be not much stuff we can put in then. from TW-mmm333k (talk to him) 06:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC) --
 * WP:BLP is very clear - personal information needs to be properly sourced. The birthdates of the singers is almost always entirely irrelevant to an article about a band - if it is somehow relevant it will be covered by a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a fansite. Active  Banana    (bananaphone  16:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * -- Well, maybe you're right though, I insist the names should be kept. In my latest edition, I recovered the member table, but I set the birth dates as hidden so that people can put the information back on to the page until reliable sources are added. from TW-mmm333k (talk to him) 02:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC) --
 * Normally I would say that with the members listed in the lead, there is no reason for a standalone "members" section, but with the information about birth names and stage names and english and korean versions that does end up being the most effective/least cluttered way of communicating the information. Active Banana    (bananaphone  18:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * -- Uh, I don't feel the table cluttered. You really should take a look at what it was like before I tabularized the data. from TW-mmm333k (talk to him) 03:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC) --
 * Yes, I agree that a table seems to be appropriate in this case. Active Banana    (bananaphone  19:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)