Talk:Girls in the Hood/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Inspiring to see you nominating so many articles; I will review this one soon! --K. Peake 09:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * I don't think Atlantic needs to be bracketed under labels in the infobox, as it is only a distributor
 * ✅ Not sure why that was even there in the first place. I don't think I added that, but maybe I did and just forgot. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:OVERLINK of Megan Thee Stallion under songwriters
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "American rapper Megan Thee Stallion." → "American rapper Megan Thee Stallion from her debut studio album, Good News (2020)."
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The lead single part should be the third sentence of the lead, while making writing/production the second; make the former start as "It was released..."
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "2020 through 1501 Certified Entertainment and 300 Entertainment as the lead single" → "2020, through 1501 Certified Entertainment and 300 Entertainment as the album's lead single." with the wikilink
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "was written by Megan, Bobby Sessions, Ilyah Fraser, and Scott Storch with" → "The song was written by Megan Thee Stallion, Bobby Sessions, Ilyah Fraser, and Scott Storch, with" plus all of the credited songwriters should be mentioned here unless you can find a source that states they were credited due to the sampled work and the writers need to be written out in the body's prose
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pipe sample to Sampling (music)
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "The song was praised by critics for repurposing" → "The song received positive reviews from music critics, some of whom praised it for repurposing" but move this to being the first sentence of the second para instead
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "debuted and peaked at number 28 on the" → "peaked at number 28 on the US" plus mention the number 3 peak on the German chart afterwards
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Move the certification into being a separate sentence that succeeds the above; also, the commercial info needs to be written out in the body
 * Where should I include the commercial info? ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "was certified platinum by" → "was certified platinum in the United States by"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Mention the lyric video before the live performances info
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "virtual concert on Tidal." → "virtual concert for Tidal that same year."
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Background and release

 * Pipe samples to Sampling (music) on the img text, plus the song is not sourced as being gangsta rap anywhere; you could use The Guardian ref for this
 * ✅ and moved gangsta rap. ben ǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ also, the source is for the sampled song being gangsta rap. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, sorry about that! ben ǝʇᴉɯ  04:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "was announced on June 24, 2020 on Megan's" → "was announced on June 24, 2020 as June 26 via Megan Thee Stallion's" per the source
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "Megan teased the song with a video clip posted to Instagram" → "Megan Thee Stallion teased the song by posting a video clip to Instagram"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove the "set to a..." part since this is basically implied
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "regarding Megan sampling" → "regarding Megan Thee Stallion sampling" with the pipe
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "as, according to her, she and Eazy's other children were barred from recreating or sampling" → "since, according to her, she and his other children were barred from allowing recreation or sampling of"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The writers/producers should be added at this point
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Mention that its release was as the album's lead single with a source
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "features Megan in a pink" → "features Megan Thee Stallion in a pink"
 * How come? ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is her stage name, so should be used to refer to her on any occasion... also, the areas where I just left Megan as a suggestion were mistakes and I've altered those on the review page. --K. Peake 06:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "with a pink fuzzy hood and hoop earrings which read" → "with a fuzzy hood and hoop earrings, which read" per the source
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The earrings being on the inside is not backed up
 * Removed. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Add more info about the cover art per 1
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "by black female artists." → "by black female artists; Megan Thee Stallion boasted that she "can't wait for y'all to see it"." per the source
 * ✅, but that sentence seems awkward with the quote. The "can't" seems like it should be rewritten in the past tense, and, with the way it's written, it sounds like the "y'all" is addressed to readers of the article, which goes against MOS:SELFREF. Also, does "boasted" go against MOS:SAID? ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no problem with this though, being that it is actually a direct quote. --K. Peake 06:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikilink lyric video per MOS:LINK2SECT
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "pictures and videos of Megan." → "pictures, videos, and animations of Megan the Stallion, including the rapper flexing her body." with the wikilink; per the source
 * ✅, but adding a link for "animation" seems like WP:OVERCITE. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I see this done throughout articles and have even been told to do so myself, so it is reasonable. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Composition

 * Merge with the above section as the second para, retitling to Background and composition
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pipe chorus to Refrain and sample to Sampling (music) on the audio text
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "which Megan raps" → "which Megan Thee Stallion raps" and wikilink "Boyz-n-the-Hood" on the text
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The hip hop genre is not mentioned by any of the sources
 * Removed. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove wikilink on "Boyz-n-the-Hood"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "including the song's opening line," → "including its opening lyrics," plus merge this para with the above one, as it is too short
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "were from the perspective of Megan's pimp alter ego," → "are from the perspective of Megan Thee Stallion's pimp alter ego" with the wikilink
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "her love of anime as" → "her love of anime, as"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

 * Retitle to Reception, adding the commercial reception here as the third para
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "received critical acclaim." → "was met with acclaim from music critics." with the pipe
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "on the misogynoir in "Boyz-n-the-Hood"," → "on the connection to the misogynoir of the original,"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "male ego frailty."" → "male ego frailty"." per MOS:QUOTE
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "Kyann-Sian Williams of NME gave the song" → "Williams gave the song"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "of New York Post named" → "of the New York Post named"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "called the single" → "called the song"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Put some of the COS review into your own words per WP:QUOTEFARM
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "climb the charts."" → "climb the charts"."
 * Where? ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Live performances

 * "Megan gave her" → "Megan The Stallion gave her"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "in the desert," → "in a desert setting,"
 * "Megan riding an ATV and wearing feathers." → "Megan Thee Stallion accompanied by off-road vehicles and a black power first background." per the sources
 * Changed the ATV part, but hesitant to add the black power fist part since the fist only shows up during the performance of "Savage".
 * You needn't do this, with me having the information now in mind. --K. Peake 07:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You needn't do this, with me having the information now in mind. --K. Peake 07:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikilink music videos
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "regarding it as" → "also regarding it as"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "During Megan's first" → "During Megan Thee Stallion's first"
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove the second time part, as the source does not specifically mention that
 * The whole sentence or just the part about the fact that it was the second time?
 * Only the second time part. --K. Peake 07:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Personnel

 * Retitle to Credits and personnel
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Weekly charts

 * See MOS:TABLECAPTION
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Year-end charts

 * See MOS:TABLECAPTION
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Certifications

 * See MOS:TABLECAPTION
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Release history

 * See MOS:TABLECAPTION
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Format → Format(s)
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Label → Label(s)
 * ✅ ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is Warner listed here and are you sure the source backs up a various release?
 * Dunno. Will try to work on that. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You also need to center the refs here, I totally forgot that initially. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

 * until all of the issues are fixed, but make sure you check things have been implemented properly as you go through! --K. Peake 07:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The performances section should be titled live performances instead plus before I have a read-through, I'd like to ask have you tried to implement everything to the best of your ability yet? --K. Peake 20:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I retitled the section since the BET Awards performance was pretaped. I have done basically almost everything listed; I also added some stuff from other sources, so if you want to go over that as well and make sure it's up to par, that would be good. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  23:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The commercial info should be in a separate section titled commercial performance inbetween reception and performances, plus retitle the latter to promotion, change all instance of Megan not in quotes to Megan Thee Stallion for complying with name guidelines and use The Guardian as a source for the sampled track being gangsta rap, not the song per the wording... I will take another look tomorrow, I'm tired right now after a long day at work. --K. Peake 21:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I did some copy editing in areas where the issues were not ones that you forgot to respond to, while I left comments above where things have not been done. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ now, good to see you have done everything that had initially not been completed! --K. Peake 18:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yay! Thank you so much! ben ǝʇᴉɯ  18:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Comment
I don't think the nominator searched a lot for this song. This seems like a quick job, the first page of links in google and done. I have posted several links above on the talk page that can be used for critical reception, two even cover some controversy the song caused, and such it's not even mentioned in the article. Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I did notice the lack of broadness during the review and the sources posted by you on the talk page, hence me mentioning The Guardian. I hadn't looked at all of them, but the stuff could easily be used to expand reception and the EW ref should be utilized regarding Eazy-E's children commenting on the song. You may have quick failed another nom by this user, though do you believe this one is not down at that level necessarily? --K. Peake 17:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , again, whether or not you think the article isn't broad enough in scope doesn't mean you have to jump to conclusions about how long it took me to find sources for this page or how much I cared to find information about it. There is a clear difference between saying, "The article isn't broad enough in scope," and "It seems like the nominator only used the first page of Google results to improve this article." I can guarantee you that that is far from being the case, as I spent ample time scrolling through Google results to find sources, but even if it was, there are better ways to phrase it that don't verge on personal comments and are actually constructive. You also said that there's no mention of the controversy involving Eazy-E's children in the article, but it's right there in the background section and has been since long before you made this comment. I also just wanted to mention that the reason I didn't include the reviews of Good News that you listed is because when I made my original edits back in October, the album hadn't even come out yet. It was my mistake not to include them before nominating the article, but suggesting that I didn't care enough to actually find sources about the song, especially when only two of the articles you linked were from that time and about the song on its own (and both of them contained information already present in the article, with the exception of Eazy's other daughter's involvement), is hurtful. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  04:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not at that level but it could really use the expansion, I do believe those sources will be enough to give it more broadness, we are not talking of a song released by an underground artist in the reception and composition. if you did do that, why was able to find 12 sources regarding the topic that are not in the article? Ok, so once the album came out, why didn't you look for more reviews/comments/synopsis? Sure, a portion of the reception should come from independent reviews, but album reviews will also help. It's not hurtful if I'm drawing your attention towards something that will help you in future reviews. Nevertheless, use them (the links) to give the article more scope and address the comments made by K. Peake. I do not have anything else to add. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * '"...if you did do that, why was able to find 12 sources regarding the topic that are not in the article?"
 * "I also just wanted to mention that the reason I didn't include the reviews of Good News'' that you listed is because when I made my original edits back in October, the album hadn't even come out yet...only two of the articles you linked were from that time and about the song on its own (and both of them contained information already present in the article, with the exception of Eazy's other daughter's involvement)..."
 * Also, side note, the Vibe article was already in the article, contrary to what you said about it not being there, which also happened when you gave suggestions for sources to use for "Mood".
 * Just always keep improving the articles if you happen to come across new sources. 11 sources then, my point still stands. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "Ok, so once the album came out, why didn't you look for more reviews/comments/synopsis?"
 * "It was my mistake not to include them before nominating the article..."
 * Always look out for album reviews, they usually mention the singles. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "It's not hurtful if I'm drawing your attention towards something that will help you in future reviews."
 * ''"There is a clear difference between saying, "The article isn't broad enough in scope," and "It seems like the nominator only used the first page of Google results to improve this article."...suggesting that I didn't care enough to actually find sources about the song...is hurtful.
 * Might I reiterate that there is a stark difference between being constructive ("You should include more sources to increase the article's broadness,") and accusatory ("You only used the first page on Google, you didn't search very hard to find sources.") When I say that something is hurtful because it insinuates something that simply isn't true and undermines the work I did trying to find sources, that should be held as legitimate. Telling me that it's not hurtful for whatever reason doesn't make sense, it hurt me so it was hurtful to me. While I understand that your intentions were probably to be constructive, being conscious of your wording in discussions like this can make the difference between someone taking something valuable from them and using that for future reference and that person simply feeling alienated. ben ǝʇᴉɯ  02:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Bad wording, I do apologize for it. My heart and mind are at the right place. In the meantime I will remove the sources as you include them on the article. It will make it easier for everyone involved. Cheers. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Bad wording, I do apologize for it. My heart and mind are at the right place. In the meantime I will remove the sources as you include them on the article. It will make it easier for everyone involved. Cheers. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm adding more information on the article regarding the song, feel free to change the wording and that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)