Talk:Gisborough Priory

Black Monk ghost story
I've provided some references per this request. I am not, of course, arguing that the story is true: merely that the story does exist! I think this is interesting, and part of the story of the Priory. It is certainly well-known locally and, as you see, is verifiable. Like any of these stories it's a bit of a mess which is why there are different citations for the tunnel and the raven and whether or not the Black Monk is associated with it/them/the price of fish/whatever. I certainly don't see enough evidence to treat the raven/tunnel as a separate tale so I think it's best, at present anyway, just mentioned here alongside the monk. I have only used text that can be directly supported by the works I have cited. This means the amusing PC bit about referring to him as "Black-Cowled" to avoid confusion (!) has, sadly, had to go. If a reference can be found for this practice and the reason then fine, but I can't at present find one. I have, however, linked to Religious habit in an explanatory phrase just in case anyone really was going to be that confused. I hope you find this a useful addition to the article. Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 11:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I moved him (it?) down the page a bit as I felt the topic was given undue prominence when mentioned right up in the lead. Actually, looking at it the whole article is a bit unbalanced and short but hey - this is Wikipedia, we can improve it! :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, this is an article about a priory, not just a priory, but one, when closed down, had an effect on the history of England in the establishment of the alum industry which was necessary for success in the wool trade ... in which England reigned supreme. The priory, as part of a network of Augustinian priories - not just an English network, but a European network, must have had a history, to do with its standing in the community, how local towns and villages interacted or relied on it, and so on. It had lands over quite a large area, for example, in Ormesby and the Eston area. There must be more to the life of the priory than has been written. But what do we get as a lead item? "It's got a ghost", or not even that, but, "It's got a ghost story".Francis Hannaway (talk) Francis Hannaway 11:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Bitter! Hope I haven't upset you. My comments aren't addressed to you alone, but to all of the editing community - including myself. When a conversations take place in streams of text, it's often difficult to work out whether something has been said sarcastically, or just in a light-hearted manner. I think I was just as flummoxed as you with this article; I'm also at a loss as to how to bring it forward. There is plenty about the Augustinian priories of the time, in general, but nothing in particular about daily life in Guisborough, in and around the priory. My discomfort with the ghost story being so prominent, is one of maintaining a balanced article. Best wishes! Francis Hannaway (talk) Francis Hannaway 19:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sorry - I got my knickers in a twist there. I agree it's hardly the most important item, but I did at least (a) source it and (b) shift it down the page ... now we need to balance it with more good stuff like your alum additions! Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Notes for further research

 * - 20th century excavations
 * - effigies
 * - 1985 excavation
 * - more info on archaeology

Image
I thought the image used for DYK and formerly in the article is better than that currently used. It does not blow up well but at article size it's fine, and it gives more generous coverage to the east end, whereas the current one has rather a lot of low wall remains in the foreground. I also like the moody weather in the old pic - not everything has to be shot on sunshine surely, in the UK? - but maybe that's just me. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have boldly changed it ... what do you think? DBaK (talk) 08:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. The moody weather is rather more typical of Guisborough anyway! Prioryman (talk) 09:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha! Yes, true. Thanks for that. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Black Monk
Is there no longer room in this article for the Black Monk? Please note that I am not arguing that he exists; merely that the well-known local story does, and is citeable. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, I meant to add that info but forgot. Prioryman (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am delighted to see that he's back. I guess he must have shown up while my back was turned. [1] I'm glad I didn't buy those bl**dy books to no effect ... :) Thanks! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note [1] Do you see what I did there? Guisborough-specific humour! Yes? No?? No. Oh, sorry, I'll get me coat. :( DBaK (talk) 11:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Hi, just to let you know there are several links in the article needing a dab. See list. Keith D (talk) 11:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Name
Readers are told that the priory took its "idiosyncratically spelled" name from the Hall. The priory pre-existed the house, did it not?--Wetman (talk) 12:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It did, but it was called St Mary's Priory before its dissolution. The modern name appears to have been attached to it after the Chaloners incorporated the ruin into the grounds of Gisborough Hall. The spelling of the town's name changed in the 18th century but the Chaloners stuck with the original spelling, hence the mismatch. Prioryman (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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