Talk:Gisele Bündchen/Archive 2

Tom Brady
I'm beginning a discussion about the propriety of adding a paragraph about the subject's thoughts on the possibility of husband Tom Brady possibly betting concussions. This seems more suitable to the Tom Brady article than than to Gisele Bündchen's. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Regardless if it is "suitable" or not for the Tom Brady article is not the issue. This is an international story that involves Bündchen because it was Bündchen's television interview about Brady having a concussion in 2016 when none were reported to the NFL. This is WP:NOTE and WP:RS: CBS News, CNN, ESPN, Washington Post, Forbes, Vogue, Fox Sports, Business Insider India, et al.


 * Exactly what policies are you citing as to why this should not be included in her article? The Kingfisher (talk) 01:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:INDISCRIMINATE. She is not an expert on concussions, and it is non-notable that a wife would be concerned about her husband's health. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:29, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, whether or not she is an expert in concussions is not justification for reverting a strongly sourced edit. Obviously this is notable if the NFL opened an investigation in conjunction with the Players union because of her interview. In fact, I'll be adding that shortly. What part of WP:INDISCRIMINATE are you citing? The Kingfisher (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The part that says, "As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." As for her opinion about concussions, she is not an expert on concussion. Why would we have her opinion on peace in the Middle East or stem-cell research? The only reason she is speaking about concussions is in the context of her husband, and it is non-notable that a wife may be concerned about her husband's health.--Tenebrae (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I get the part that states because something is merely true doesn't automatically make it suitable, but you have yet to point out on what basis these strongly sourced edits that are obviously WP:NOTE are in fact WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I'm not going to place much more effort on your revert and this discussion. Soon I'll take this to WP:3. The Kingfisher (talk) 03:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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Eye color
Her eyes are not blue or green. They are Gray that's why they appear to "change" color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8780:5D0:3110:7A5:3204:CCB1 (talk) 20:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The cited sources say different from your personal observation. And I envy anyone who was able to get so close to her as to see her eye color. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Request for comment

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should the "Personal life" section include this paragraph: "In a CBS interview in May 2017, Charlie Rose asked Bündchen if she wanted Brady to retire, despite that he's playing at a high level. Bündchen mentioned that Brady suffered from a concussion in the 2016 season, saying, "I mean he has concussions pretty much every—I mean we don't talk about—but he does have concussions. I don't really think it's a healthy thing for anybody to go through”." --Tenebrae (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It is non-notable for a wife to be concerned about a husband's health. Additionally the last sentence regarding her views on concussions for "anybody" else is is irrelevant and inappropriate: She is a model and and a medical authority.--Tenebrae (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * YES per WP:DUE WP:RS. Bündchen's nationally televised comments led to an NFL investigation. There are more than 50 reliable sources backing this. If the edit wasn't reverted, the part about the NFL investigation would have been added. If this doesn't belong in the family section (a televised interview by a wife about her husband's health that leads to an NFL investigation), then what does? Just some of the RSs: CBS News, CNN, ESPN, Washington Post, Forbes, Vogue, Fox Sports, 'People, New York Post, USA Today, Yahoo Sports, The Boston Globe, Business Insider India, et al.


 * I asked Tenebrae here "on what basis these strongly sourced edits that are obviously WP:NOTE are in fact WP:INDISCRIMINATE". She never responded. Now, again, she simply writes: WP:INDISCRIMINATE. WP:INDISCRIMINATE has four areas: 1) Summary-only descriptions of works. 2) Lyrics databases. 3) Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. 4) Exhaustive logs of software updates. I'm struggling to understand how writing about her mention in a televised interview that leads to an NFL investigation about her husband's health, violates this policy.


 * Tenebrae's claims that Bündchen isn't an expert about concussions, simply has no basis with regard to Wiki policy and reliable sources. It isn't irrelevant. What is relevant are the very strong reliable sources that back the edit at the top.


 * Also, it is inexcusable that Tenebrae left off the edit's citations. The Kingfisher (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The cites have nothing to do with it — no one claimed the paragraph wasn't cited. The only question is about the content itself. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * And for the record, the question had already been asked and answered, here .--Tenebrae (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Finally, the paragraph in question does not say a word about her comments leading to an NFL investigation. In fact, none of the first four outlets Kingfisher cites — CBS, CNN, ESPN, Washington Post — even uses the word "investigation", and one headline even says that NFL records don't show Brady had even had or complained of a concussion. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The edit is strong (for all the arguments) without the NFL investigation, which would have been added had not kept reverting.
 * Are you now stating that it is an acceptable edit if the NFL investigation is added?
 * You did not answer the question about INDISCRIMINATE with regard to how her being an expert on concussions or a wife's concern fits into one of these four areas: 1) Summary-only descriptions of works. 2) Lyrics databases. 3) Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. 4) Exhaustive logs of software updates. Into which one of these areas four areas are you suggesting? The Kingfisher (talk) 18:07, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I gather you haven't been on Wikipedia for very long, so please accept as genuine my saying that there is no need for shouting, which is what your frequent boldfacing is. If Bundchen's comments directly led to a league-wide investigation of concussion by the NGL, of course that's noteworthy. But nothing I've seen in any of the sources so far states that.


 * And, again, I not only answered your question, but I copy-pasted the exact quote from the policy/guideline.--Tenebrae (talk) 18:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It's fun watching you guys trying to keep this information off her article. Sports Illustrated wrote "Bündchen’s bombshell..." but yeah, it's "out of place on her page" and "soapbox drama". The Kingfisher (talk) 02:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No - looks more like recent-event chasing and soapbox drama, UNDUE and OFFTOPIC as this is not something that was big in her life or on topic.  WP:UNDUE as just that specific interview hasn't had a big influence on her life, and the specific words are not vital enough to quote.  Also seems WP:OFFTOPIC or WP:SOAPBOX as this article is to be on her life, but the paragraph is not covering an event or impact that's in her life - it seems just a random criticism at football.   Markbassett (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No - This isn't relevant to her and would be out of place on her page. It would be better to include it on her husband's page than hers. Dbrote (talk) 18:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No should be on his page.  d.g. L3X1  (distænt write)   )evidence(  02:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No -- indiscriminate. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * NOTE: Here and in a subsequent edit yesterday, The Kingfisher is blatantly edit-warring despite WP:SNOWBALL to disallow his WP:INDISCRIMINATE edit. There is no consensus for it, and unlike the second edit's disingenuous edit-summary, the issue is about the indiscriminate content, not placement in the article. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:48, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've now become the third editor to revert The Kingfisher's blatantly non-consensus edit here. He is clearly becoming WP:DISRUPTIVE. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I need to remind The Kingfisher that while this content is the subject of an RfC that he must wait until the RfC is concluded before adding the same or similar edits. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No - but it may be relevant to Brady or to an article on concussions in the NFL.--Rpclod (talk) 10:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No and likely not usable elsewhere eiher as not being from a medical professional in the first place.
 * Yes – She had a moment of fame on TV, and it was influential. Why not mention it?  Dicklyon (talk) 04:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


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I propose to add the non-trivial pronouncation of the middle name: "(, ", although Maczkopeti objects to that, making reference to WP:COMMONNAME. Any comments are welcome. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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Almost finished with initial edits!
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Finished first run through
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Is Gisele's full name "Gisele Caroline Nonnenmacher Bündchen"?
I know in Brazil many have two surnames, the maternal surname and then the paternal surname. So I'm wondering if Gisele's full name is "Gisele Caroline Nonnenmacher Bündchen". I have found several sources that describe her full name as being this. Two English-language sources: and one French source states this:. I had to use Google translate, so the translation might be wrong, but these sources in Portuguese say her baptismal name was "Gisele Caroline Bündchen" The 5th article, a Brazilian daily newspaper called "Folha" has a whole story claiming that one of Gisele's sisters tried to fix her sister Wikipedia page as her christening name was "Gisele Caroline Bündchen", without "Nonnenmacher". So I'm wondering if this could be discussed? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 05:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * , suggest you read WP:BLPSOURCES and answer your own question. If you can find reliable secondary sources, provide them and it can be discussed. 174.212.238.87 (talk) 06:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Her name
How do you pronounce her name 50.80.253.206 (talk) 18:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There are two pronunciations next to her name that use the International Phonetic Alphabet in English and Brazilian Portuguese. Trillfendi (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)