Talk:Glass Onion (song)/Archive 1

Untitled
This is rather inaccurate. This song is not a response to people looking for hidden messeges. The conspiracy theory hit it big AFTER the release of the White Album. Also, the conspiracy theory predicts Paul died before the Magical Mystery Tour. I am really beginning to question the competency of Wiki-shared information.)

Please follow the Wikipedia format. Anyway, Paul is Dead conspirancy grew big after the White Album, but John was making fun of cospirancy theories AFTER "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", besides, there were other theories recognized by the Beatles (Day Tripper being about prostitutes, or Norweigan Wood about a lesbian)

Cast iron shores?
'"Cast iron shores" where drummer Ringo Starr grew up.' What does that sentence mean? Where or what are the "cast iron shores" where Ringo grew up? 212.2.170.101 19:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Another user has added text relating to the stretch of shoreline between the Dingle and Otterspool, where due to the number of iron works and iron ship building works along the shore, it was stained red from all the remaining ferric oxide in the sand. I have just added some sources, from the local newspaper the Liverpool Echo, and from an academic text by Professor Tony Crowley, with details, and citations for the name Cast Iron Shores and it's nickname The Cazzy or The Cassie, which was first used in print in 1935. Ethdhelwen (talk) 09:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Gobbledegook
The quote says that Lennon used the word "goggledegook". Surely that should be gobbledegook? If he did say goggledegook, maybe we ought to throw a (sic) in there...138.243.129.4 17:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite
I rewrote this albeit using a lot of the existing text. I found it confusing. The "The Walrus was Paul" part was either wrong or easily misinterpreted. The line was written before fans started to believe there were clues to Paul's death in Beatle music, album covers, etc. I thought it was important to include the quote about John being nice to Paul given the fan's interpreation of the meaning of that line.

I changed some quotes that weren't exact, at least with regards to my copy of the sources. Yes, it is "gobbledegook". John Cardinal 06:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Song Mentionings
In the article, it mentions that George Harrison's "Within You, Without You" is mentioned in the piece. I've reviewed the piece several times before. Where is it mentioned? 01kkk 00:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's the "where everything flows" part. Today someone added "I'm Looking Through You" based (apparently) on the word "through" being used in both songs. I think that's stretching things, and "Within You Without You" might also be a stretch. John Cardinal 02:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Not just the word "through" but the pair of words "looking through;" that seems to be slightly more of a specific reference to "[I'm Looking Through You}". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.117.212 (talk) 02:40, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I removed the songs that are not explicitly mentioned. Original research is not allowed, so it isn't up to us to ponder the meaning of the lyrics in the article.  If anyone finds a respectable source that explains where all the lyrics got their meaning, then feel free to add a referenced note in the article. --  k a i n a w &trade; 02:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I restored the referenced songs in question, and here's why. The reference to "I'm Looking Through You" comes in the chorus line "...looking through a Glass Onion". "Within You Without You" is referred in the lyrics "where everything flows" (remember the final lyric "...life flows on within you and without you"). "There's A Place" is referred in the lyrics "...well here's another place you can go" (the opening line of "There's A Place" is "There's A Place where I can go"). Hiphats (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Despite my comments above (a weak moment!), I agree with Kainaw. It doesn't matter what songs we think are mentioned, it matters what reliable sources say. I vote we remove everything that can't be sourced. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Then, John Cardinal, you don't know your Beatles. Look further into your Glass Onion. Hiphats (talk) 23:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The point has nothing to do with what I (or you) know about The Beatles. WikiPedia content must be verifiable. If you don't know what that means, you don't know your Wikipedia. I'll give you a clue: WP:NOR. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 03:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I note that all of this nonsense is still in there ("There's a Place"? Seriously?), and the only citation lands on a dead link. I've seen references to the obvious ones (Lady Madonna, Walrus, Strawberry Fields) documented before...and they should be cited...but no where have I ever seen reference to the obscure ones that Hiphats lists. Meaning they are definitely original research and shall be removed, please don't add them back in without a properly cited source. 70.91.35.27 (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)Tim

"...see how the other half lives"
Could this be a reference to the Jacob Riis book? Should it be added? &lt;/Smilack&gt; 01:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Monacle?
Glass Onion is British slang for monacle? Never heard such a thing. Is there anything to support this?

"Sgt. Pepper Mythology"
John mentions writing this about that mythology in Anthology, surely that deserves a mention -MichiganCharms 21:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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Move request

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved to Glass Onion. Favonian (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Glass Onion (song) → Glass Onion – Well, if it redirects here already, might as well move it there. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Presumably the article was disambiguated because of the existence of Glass onion. Jenks24 (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but it was done incorrectly. If the title was thought ambiguous, then a disambiguation page should have been created.  Instead, the base name was just left as a redirect to the disambiguated name, which makes no sense.  Per WP:TWODABS, of course, we don't need a disambiguation page if there's a primary topic, and I think the Beatles song is far more likely to qualify.  Powers T 15:49, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The term appears to have two earlier meanings, at least one of which inspired the name of the song (see Glass onion; and see note 1 in the present article: slang for a monocle). Nothing is gained by shifting to reliance on capitalisation to give precision here, when the retention of "(song)" is harmless and undoubtedly useful to many readers. We are not all familiar with the Beatles oeuvre. N oetica Tea? 23:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support reverting the recent undiscussed move. Per WP:PRECISION, Glass onion and Glass Onion can link to each other via hatnotes and best serve the readership. The earliness of uncapitalized versions doesn't change the meaning of the capitalized title. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per JHunter. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 16:47, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Glass Onion is a proper noun. Capitalization is a disambiguator. Marcus   Qwertyus   05:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per JHJ, MQ: unnecessary disambiguation. ENeville (talk) 21:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Within You Without You, I'm Looking Through You, There's A Place
'Within You Without You' is not referenced by Glass Onion. I mean, 'flows' is a reference? Really?

Same for 'I'm Looking Through You'. 'Looking through' isn't exactly everyday usage, but it's not like he said 'tangerine trees' or 'marmalade' skies.

'There's A Place' — Jesus, really? It's just 'the' place, or 'another' place, guys.

If you remember, he specifically and clearly references all the obvious references.

' . . . Lady Madonna trying to make ends meet, yeah' 'I told you 'bout Strawberry Fields' [Forever, but it's still plain] 'I told you 'bout the Walrus and me, man!' [It's not very much explicit, but with 'I am the Walrus'. . . it's not like they had a song titled 'Looking Through a Dovetail Joint'. . . . 'Fixing a hole in the ocean. . .' 'I told you 'bout the Fool on the Hill'

It's extremely unlikely that There's a Place and I'm Looking Through You were intended references. The five above are all Magical Mystery Tour or later.

Within You Without You. . . sorry, one word isn't good enough.

I suggest these be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.140.120 (talk) 05:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree with you, you might as well add "A Hard Day's Night" (YOU KNOW I feel all right...YOU KNOW the place where nothing is real, uncanny!!). I am removing them.70.91.35.27 (talk) 20:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)Tim

Removed unsourced claim about "glass onion" definition.
The claim that "glass onion" is slang (British or otherwise) for a monocle seems to be nowhere attested excepting Beatles fan sites. Those sites seem to slightly outnumber the ones claiming it means a kind of coffin (or kind of coffin lid), but no listing of British slang or general dictionary or thesaurus entry seems to confirm it. If you have a source, though, please add it back with a citation. Thanks! Ms408 (talk) 00:30, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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