Talk:Glastonbury Festival/Archive 1

Full lineups
Wouldn't it be good to add the lineups from each year's festival?

Obviously due to the nature of the festival, for a lot of people it's very hard to remember what acts actually played, but I think this could be a nice historic piece in the long-term. :-)
 * I'm not sure it would be practical to post the entire line-up for each stage for each year, it would probably have to be restricted to the headliners. But that would create a false impression as the Glastonbury festival is not just about the bands, there is so much more to it than that. - TylerD
 * Why would it not be practical? We can easily make pages for each year and put the lineup and other details on those pages.. --Steinsky 22:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, maybe it's worth a shot. But we do need to get across that there's so much more to Glasto than just being another music festival. It needs coverage of the Green Fields, Lost Vagueness etc. - TylerD

I'm sure Franz Ferdinand played in 2004 but there is no mention of them in the Guardian site. Lumos3

I think there's a strong argument for having a page for each year of the festival including complete line-ups, and just having the main page to explain what the festival is, its organisation and a brief history: at the moment there are increasingly long paragraphs about the recent ones which could be the start of separate articles. The festival generates a huge amount of media attention when it's 5on, way more than other UK festivals, so there'd be no shortage of informaiton to refer to Jimbow25 11:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would suggest articles like Glastonbury Festival in the 2000s, Glastonbury Festival in the 1990s, and then we can turn the history section of this page into summary style. There isn't enough encyclopedic info to have a page for every year. Joe D (t) 15:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Photos
Are any wikipedians going this year, or have past photos? It would be nice to get a picture or two for the article, maybe one of the pyramid and one of the whole site from up at the stone circle? --Steinsky 23:03, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Well I've got this one of the giant "LOVE" sculpture from 2002... http://www.geocities.com/drgazowen/photos/festivals2002/019-16a.jpg, and the one at John Otway. I've probably got some more knocking about somewhere...


 * I still haven't developed mine from last year yet. Doh! I'm bringing a digicam this year, so hopefully will have some decent ones then. A night shot from the stone circle showing all the camp fires across the site would rock, but that's going to need slow film and a tripod. - TylerD


 * I am going this year and will take pictures. If anyone wants to upload pictures to Wikipedia let me know as I am doing IT support for Greenpeace there and will have internet access, card readers etc. Justinc 10:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Have put a picture up for Michael Eavis, will go through the rest. Justinc 1 July 2005 17:33 (UTC)


 * All of my Glasto 2k5 pictures are available at http://themsquared.fotopic.net/ and include a few of the floods, the mud and the pyramid stage...


 * Two pictures I took in in 1986 on http://stevebrady.eu/Glastonbury1986.aspx. The one from the stone circle was taken on the Sunday morning and the one of the old Pyramid stage on the Saturday (I think). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.243.193 (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I got some lovely photos.. For the 2010 festival I got this one which is a lot like the one that is on there now for 2009. I can't upload it becuase i don't have the rights yet. http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7122/2010pg.jpg (Cleverleyson (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC))

Kylie
With Kylie getting cancer treatment, will she still be headling Glasto? --Madchester 08:34, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Glastonbury Festival is used throughout the article, and on most of the external links, including the official site. Currently What links here is split about equally between the upper and lower case F. Vclaw 28 June 2005 12:54 (UTC)
 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation and sign your vote with ~ 


 * Support, I hadn't noticed that. Joe D (t) 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)
 * Support, I always wondered why the "F" was never in the uppercase. --Madchester June 30, 2005 19:51 (UTC)
 * Support, Yeah, it makes sense to me. Cherry blossom tree 30 June 2005 21:15 (UTC)
 * Support. James F. (talk) 1 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments


 * I was expecting this to be a request to move it to the official name (which I wouldn't have supported)! Joe D (t) 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vclaw 5 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)

Economics
There isn't any information on the economics of the festival - whether it makes a profit, how it is distributed. As far as I know, it's unique in large festivals as not being run as a profit making exercise, but it's difficult to find any facts regarding this side of things.

Answer
The rights to hold the festival and the related trademarks are owned by Glastonbury Festivals Ltd, owned by the Eavis family. Prior to 2002 this company also held the festivals. Since 2002 Mean Fiddler plc has been involved in the festival (this was a condition of the festival regaining its licence after the 2000 debacle). This is handled by the festival being run by a separate entity Glastonbury Festival ({year}) Ltd. with the year replacing the {year}. This company is jointly owned by Mean Fiddler plc and Glastonbury Festivals Ltd. The proportion owned by Mean Fiddler has increased every year for the last four years but is still less than a half.

Although festivals long ago were loss-making, recently the festival has been run for a profit, although it donates a signifincant proportion of this to charity. The presence of the Mean Fiddler Group in the festival's ownership structure since 2002 has meant that a certain amount of each festival's profit has gone to this group, the rest to the Eavis-family-owned business.

Source
An anon user added to the paragraph on Emily Eavis:
 * She has been quoted as finding the festival "difficult to manage".

I googled the quote with "Emily Eavis" and found nothing, again with "Glastonbury Festival" and found five irrelevant results. Can anybody provide a source for this? Joe D (t) 29 June 2005 13:29 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the editor was a vandal. Joe D (t) 29 June 2005 13:36 (UTC)

Duplication bug
There appears to be a duplication problem. The pics are duplicated and if I edit to try to fix this the text gets duplicated too. Someone has tried to fix this before... Justinc 8 July 2005 08:40 (UTC)

Mean Fiddler/Live Nation management
While tiding up, I've replaced "More recently" with "Since 2005" for the Mean Fiddler involvement (see Glastonbury Festival). I'm not sure of that - can anyone confirm or correct? --Concrete Cowboy 00:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC).
 * Answer was staring me in the face - see previous question. I'll correct error. --Concrete Cowboy 00:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

"In April 2005, Clear Channel Communications took control of Mean Fiddler. Clear Channel has political views that are at odds with the traditional Glastonbury philosophy. In an interview on his 70th birthday, in October 2005, Eavis voiced concerns over the Clear Channel take over, and amid rumours that his daughter, Emily, would be taking an increasing role in the organisation, Eavis stated that he wishes to carry on organising the festival until he has to retire . In December 2005, the entertainment division of Clear Channel was spun off as Live Nation, an independent corporation: Mean Fiddler is now a subsidiary of Live Nation UK. Its politics remain to be seen." I removed this because its very factuly inaacurate. For a start Live Nation only own 50.1% of Mean Fiddler and as the contract runs out this year i thort that it wasnt worth editing it to make it factuly acurate as Mean Fiddler probably wont have any futher connection to Glastonbury. Talkshowbob

Ley lines
I added the New Age stuff to the location, so I had to say something about the ley lines belief. But then I have to say who believes it, which takes me to the web page of the guy who published the map. I subscribe to the "pure co-incidence" theory explained at Ley line, so I'm in a quandry here. It is close to link spam! Replacing the "Ley_lines" end-note/reference with a link to an NPOV source would be good. I don't have a problem if anyone decides to delete it as too far off topic, but the hippy heritage and consequent "instant brand value" needs explaining. --Concrete Cowboy 19:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Dance music
Wiki doesn't have an article on modern popular (electronic) dance music. The existing articles are all about classical and modern-classical "fine art" dance. There is nothing on UK garage, trance, euro-anthem etc. Since this is such a big feature of late 90s Glastonbury, it really needs to a main article to link to. Does anybody feel inclined? See also Sanctuary Music Arena which has the same problem. --Concrete Cowboy 22:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Rave music good enough? Electronic dance music is all about process. --Concrete Cowboy 22:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Lineups
I've edited much of the lineups out of the 2000s section to help get the article to FA staus. However thats not to say we can't have another page listing them, anyone fancy having a go?Logan1138 20:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You've done an excellent edit overall, but this is going to be a problem. People will only put them back in again unless you provide somewhere else for them to do so. I can only suggest a sub-article. --Concrete Cowboy 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Lets start a seperate line up page and keep this down to the basic history.Logan1138 16:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Improving the article
I've added some pictures to better show the scale of the festival. I think we've hit a good mix but do we need any more? I have pics going back a few years but most of the best ones are of the main areas. A better stone circle picture would be good (i have a few somewhere if i can find it).

Any comments?Logan1138 21:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sure where meant to add this but Woahhh! It says Worthy FM is  formerly Radio Avalon,  just  want to say that  us  fans of Radio Avalon know  that Worthy FM is not Radio Avalon, Worthy FM is a bunch of hijackers passing themselves off as Radio Avalon in a different name. The real Radio Avalon crew were killed off  and got rid of for not kissing a certain  Worthy FM Madam's arse. Hope the real Radio Avalon will be back one  day  because it just is not the same without them :-(  Fred Williams   who was station manager for 15 years was a   lovely man and  would turn in grave if he  could see what  she has done to  the station. Fair breaks my  heart  to  see a  wonderful tradition   that station was, totally spoilt because of one womens ego :(  I won't listen  to it again until it is as it should be - lobbyboy19  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobbyboy19 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

1970s
I've removed the line "Musicians during the 1970s were mainly jazz and folk artists" as it is patent nonsense! The previous sentence is iffy as well. As far as I know the 1970 -1978 festivals were relatively straightforward pop/rock/free festivals with little dance, poetry, or theatre. The revival of the festival in 1979 was the start of the deliberate inclusion of other forms of culture than music.

I've added (some of) the 1971 line up to the Festival lineups page and descriptions of the 1970s festivals can be found at the UK Rock festivals site [] MichaelW 15:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Biggest?
Okay, I've never been to Glasto, and the lineup is undoubtly way better than anything we've ever got treated to over here, but there is a very similar music (and arts) festival in Budapest, Hungary, called Sziget Festival. It's capacity is 65,000 people, but it lasts a full week every summer, and therefore the attendace is usually calculated multiplying 65,000 by seven, which means there are probably more people attending Sziget Festival than Glastonbury. Not sure if this should be mentioned, plus I'm not sure if the information to back this up is there on the web in English.

If calculating capacity were done to Glastonbury this way then it would be over 500,000. Unless it's a completely different set of people attending Sziget Festival each day then the capacity is still smaller than Glastonbury.Logan1138 15:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you are going to look at multiples of day figures for long event things like the Edindurgh festival would have vast numbers. --LiamE 16:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Danish Roskilde Festival holds 80.000 visitors and 30.000 non-paying guests (some volunteering, others there from privilige) for 8 days. RF passed Glasto as being the biggest festival in 2005, but will probably resort to being number two soon from the lousy weather. Eitherways, RF has been larger than Glasto for some time now, update your sources. 

I really don't see how RF can be bigger if it only holds 110,000 people at any one time, whilst Glastonbury holds 177,000 peiople at any one time. What diffrence does the number of days make to how many people the festival holds. In any case Glastonbury is the biggest green field festival by area - 3.2km squared compared to RF's 1km squared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.33.33 (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The Roskilde Festival themselves do not claim to be the biggest overall. They carefully term it as the biggest in *Northern Europe*. Whilst fans of that festival may feel it is the biggest, the organisers do not appear to agree.

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Have removed Clear Channel bit as it was wholly missleading for a number of reasons. Not least the fact that they are no longer involved and never were directly.

Ticket sales
I've just added a little section about what Michael Eavis has been saying about future ticket sales ... it's been all over the radio today, thought it was relevant (if a little harsh!). Might need jigging around a bit though?! LookingYourBest 13:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. In reviewing the article against the Good article criteria, I have found there are some issues that need to be addressed. I am giving seven days for improvements to be made. If issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it will be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards,  T Rex  | talk  21:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The only issues that need to be addressed are the fact tags. Once this is done just leave a message on my talk page.

GA pass
Thanks for adressing the concerns. This article's GA status has been kept.  T Rex  | talk  16:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries, sorry, I forgot to put anything on here to say I'd done it! Lol! LookingYourBest 16:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

World's largest music festival
Just found a very reliable source confirming what everyone's known for a long time. http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/popup?id=3306705

Perhaps someone with a bit more experience at editing than me could update the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.80.68 (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This article describes 2008 as a mudbath although it only rained heavily on the Thursday night so you might want to hold off on using it as a source. Britmax (talk) 12:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

@ Britmax: This article actually describes 2007 as a muddy bog. I do not see how this affects the articles credibility as a source. [anonymous coward] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.186.159 (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * My concern about credibility stems from this slide: it simultaneously describes Glastonbury as having "grown into the largest music festival in Europe" and as being "THE WORLD'S BIGGEST MUSIC FESTIVAL". I guess the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, or maybe the ALL CAPS trumps the other... Seriously though, I'm not sure that "World's biggest" is good enough unless it's clear what "biggest" means, and with the "largest in Europe" claim it becomes very unclear what ABC are talking about. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 20:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Plus the link doesn't appear to work (page unavailable when I try). Of course it is quite correct to question this claim when the terms "biggest" and "music festival" could be open to multiple definitions. Also, does the claim refer to regular "music festival"s or any music festival that might have happened in the past? To be honest it all seems too much trouble than its worth for the limited benefit it brings to the article -- Fursday 17:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Greenfield music festival
Don't believe greenfield music festival is a commonly known phrase in the United States, and wikipedia, answers.com, and the first 30 Google results don't seem to have anything on it, although some other wikipedia articles use the term in similar articles.

Additionally, the citation for the whole first sentence in the article seems to be broken, or at least now seems to go to a page about one specific sub-area of the festival, and doesn't backup the original sentence it seems.

Regardless, if a greenfield music festival isn't a defined or commonly known phrase, not sure if it can be improved to use more clear wording... 99.92.53.248 (talk) 01:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Glastonbury being the world's largest music festival? This is why Wikipedia is a joke...l
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/popup?id=3306705 A large article, with Glastonbury being hailed as the largest in the world. Considering this - and the fact that the stated capacity exceeds all other capacities for any festival in the world - I think it's time to include this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.94.195 (talk) 01:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OMG for a good article the intro to this article is completely unsupported. "The Glastonbury Festival of Contemporary Performing Arts:
 * commonly abbreviated to Glastonbury or Glasto: really? Where is the citationFrom my misspent youth it was also known as 'stonedbury but that is my claim, where are the claims to these terms?
 * is the largest greenfield music and performing arts festival in the world. Where is the citation?

The reference that is used is bogus and does not support any assertions made by the intro!!

Guys, what about "Woodstock Stop" in Poland? In 2009 there were 450,000 people there.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Internex (talk • contribs) 08:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

'Bono was gutted' - section Glastonbury 2010
Is the reference 'According to the media, Bono was gutted, even having written a song especially for the festival' appropriate for an encyclopedic entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.86.223 (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

2011
Is the festival really on in 2011, or is there going to be a year off? Astronaut (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

According to press reports they are taking the year off in 2012 to avoid competing with the British based 2012 Olympics for resources. Britmax (talk) 07:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Record stagefront crowd
From the article "1994 was also the year that the British band The Levellers set the record for the highest ever stagefront crowd, which still stands to this day." Sorry, but as they have no way of recording how many attendees of the festival are in front of the main stage at any given time how would anyone know this? Britmax (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I assumed they were on the main stage for some reason. However, it makes no difference which stage (or band) it was as there is AFAIK no way of knowing this figure for any of the stages as people can wander round the site at will once they get in. Britmax (talk) 09:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Notable acts
I've started going through trying to sort out referencing format etc (there are lots of deadlinks). When I came to the table of Lineups there is a column named "Notable acts". How have these been selected and who says they are notable? What might be notable for one person may not have been for another. I also note the whole of the table is unreferenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodw  (talk • contribs)  18:49, 27 June 2011

Ticket sales in table
In my opinion the number of tickets sold in the table listing the festivals is wrong. The history pages referenced list the number of attendees including passes and free Sunday tickets. That is why the numbers appear to drop recently despite the number of attendees actually increasing http://www.mendip.gov.uk/NewsArticle.asp?id=SX9452-A781E033 http://www.glastowatch.co.uk/2010/full-details-glastonbury-festival-licence-201/ http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/_assets/pdf/educational-resources/5AttendanceNumbers.pdf --Maclauk (talk) 07:59, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree what the table actually gives are not the "number of attendees" but more like "the number of officially permitted attendees". Prior to The Fence going up after 2000, this was often considerably lower than the actual number of attendees, so simply putting "attendance" would be misleading. Not sure how to get this across in a short table column heading.--Pontificalibus (talk) 09:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a valid point. The references I added for each line of the table say "Attendance" although I would agree that fence jumpers etc are/were a significant factor - this is outlined in the text with some estimates of the numbers, but I'm also not sure how to present this in the table. We could label the column "tickets sold (including free Sunday passes for locals) + staff passes", or similar. If the "Notable Acts" column were removed (because its "personal opinion" as noted above) then we could have a wider column for numbers to include estimated total numbers (where reliable sources can be found for this) or this could be put in a separate column.

Ouch... just realised what I wrote was not what I meant to say. For the last few years Glastonbury has had 177,500 attendees made up of (I believe) 137,500 tickets and 40,000 passes. The table list 135,000 ticket sales for this year, but 150,000 for 2003. Glastonbury has grown since then (see the Mendip article I linked to) so to be consistent should list the 177,500 figure for the last few years under the heading "Licensed Attendees" or similar. --87.112.148.128 (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Pyramid Stage
My edit summary "No it isn't. It burned down shortly before a festival in the late 1990's, they hired a conventional stage for at least one festival, then built a new pyramid." is in error. They replaced the original one in 1981 and this one burned down just before the festival in 1994. The fact that it was not the original is right, though. Britmax (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

'Individual year' pages
There seems to be no organised list of pages for individual years, where a wiki article exists (such as Glastonbury Festival 2011).

Where they are linked, it seems ad-hoc. Would it not be beneficial to have a list of these somewhere for easier navigation? -- Fursday 12:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Festival Republic
This may be of interest adding somewhere:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18607315 -- Fursday 12:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Tipi Field costs
I see the 2013 costs for the Tipi Field tickets keep being removed, as they are considered by one users as advertising. It's worth noting for those that do not know, that the Tipi Fields are owned, run and operated by the Glastonbury Festival team, and are not a separate business. Tickets can only be bought via the Glastonbury Festival site. There is no reason to remove the current (2013) price, unless you are also going to remove the ticket and campervan field ticket price - it's just another offering from the Glastonbury Festival team, and it's correctly referenced. I'm guessing the editor is not aware of the running of the tipi field, but if there is another reason to remove this, please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.178.177 (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)