Talk:Glee club/Archive 1

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Other Glee Clubs, notably Michigan and U Penn, often try to discredit Harvard's claim as the oldest in the nation by suggesting that the Harvard group was not "continuously operating" or something like that. This is not true.

It is also worth noting that most of these groups, notably Harvard and Cornell, were able to stay all-male because of the presence of an all-female (and eventually, a mixed) choir on campus as well. Yale went coed primarily because of the absence of such opportunities.

% history?
I had to look at this table for a long time before I even figured out what the third column meant. Why is this necessary? I guess it's "factual," but it seems confusing and possibly misleading. What's the reason for keeping it?


 * Agree here - Does not seem to add much to the entry other than to make Cornell look good (kidding) - 64.19.134.3 02:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm onboard now, too. What would be most relevant is simply "years old"; the age of the universities here is rather irrelevant.  Perhaps a third column could include... whether they're all male?  their web pages? whether they have a cappella subsets?  Some other useful, column-worthy information that, through a group comparison, helps better grasp the nature of glee clubs. JDoorjam 03:09, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Non-college glee club info?
I'm not really a huge expert here, but is there more information about the glee club as an organization before it became transplanted and took roots in the universities of the U.S.?
 * My understanding of this is that glee clubs were basically just fraternal groups of guys who liked to get together and sing drinking songs, and existed as such for a long time. Obviously, in colleges such a group would be popular, so many glee clubs sprang up on college campuses.  Eventually, some of them (notably cornell, yale, and harvard) decided they wanted the group to be both - a drinking club and a "serious" music group.  By the time the existence of traditional glee clubs (that is, groups of guys who sang drinking songs) had faded, the current college tradition had taken root.  Soooo what that means is, there isn't a whole lot to say about the subject before the growth of the US-college form of it.  Feel free to correct or disagree - Apollo58 04:04, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * That is sooo untrue. -- Derek Ross | Talk'' 07:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be an okay amount of history. Are there any sources? Vkb24312 (talk) 19:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

University of Virginia
Since it's older than the Princeton Glee Club, I went ahead and added the U.Va. Glee Club to the table. Uvaduck 22:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

White and Nerdy
Are Glee Club members white and nerdy?--71.126.146.7 02:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Ages

How can the Harvard club, cited here is founded in '58, be older than the Iowa one founded in '53? This either needs a lot more clarity or doesn't work. Continuously operational doesn't explain it either, as Iowa would apparently be older in either context.

Continually Operating & Iowa
Does the University of Iowa organization even exist? I can't find a link for it on the web. Also, how can the dates of the different club's foundings been determined concretely? Has Harvard always been continuously-operating? Is that proveable? Someone please help out. Cite sources please.

"short songs"
What's the purpose and meaning of the word "short" here? Are glees all "short"? How long can a song be and still be "short"? It seems rather subjective, and I haven't come across anything to suggest that short length is a particular characteristic of glees. Can someone confirm this? --65.0.192.220 (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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You may be interested to know that Beowulf, line 1160, features a gleo-mann (literally glee-man), i.e. musician. Vince Calegon 11:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince Calegon (talk • contribs)