Talk:Glenrothes

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This article would cover all Fife-related articles such as places, famous people, museums, football and rugby clubs and churches to name a few. Examples would be: Kirkcaldy, Andrew Carnegie, Adam Smith, Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline Athletic, The Old Course and Kirkcaldy Museum and Art Gallery. This could also help support articles that really do need a lot of work while keeping general maintenance. Examples would be: Methil, Dunfermline, Cupar and a lot of the smaller towns such as Kennoway and Lower Largo. Please see the discussion at WikiProject_Council/Proposals. Kilnburn (talk) 16:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
Does anyone know how to change the Vehicle Code on the Infobox? Glenrothes falls under the Dundee and Edinburgh Vehicle Licence codes, not Glasgow.

Town Centre & Shopping
''The Glenrothes Co-op is in jeopardy of closing their store, due to a fixed lease on the property, which was revealed in a local paper[citation needed]. The lease is expected to run out in 2007, which will see a significant change at the top end of the Kingdom Centre.''

Thomson, again yes, you are partially correct. Co-Op is to close its Department store at Lyon Square in February. The future of the foodstore at Marchmont Gate is not yet known? I think it would be prudent to remove the above quoted until we learn more about what is happening? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.27.12.185 (talk) 09:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

The Lease for the Co-Op Supermarket at Marchmont Gate has been advertised showing that the Co-Op may close in or around 2008/2009 whenever planning is approved for the Sainsburys/Asda apps. 82.41.137.136 12:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC) The Glenrothes Spoon Meister

well thank you for having faith in my judgment (most people on here don't). i know from reading the Fife Herald about the co-op, but i thought it was both stores in the centre and i knew that the co-op were going to give up on their site in Marchmont Gate at a certain time although now overdue.

i wonder what will fill the co-op site on Lyon Square, i was fortunate to go inside and have a look before it closed. it's got lots of potential.

personally (as a person from neighbouring Kirkcaldy) i can't see two new supermarket chains working in Glenrothes, Morrisons is enough and it will kill the butchers and bakers they do have and make the situation worse. most of the orgin of the town is predominately working class from nearby former coal mining areas like Lochgelly and it seriously shows in the shopping centre. ASDA will catch on, but i think Sainsbury's is "wrong" for the town including the fact it will be bigger than their successful store in Kirkcaldy.

i know of a case in Dundee where the combo Jewson/Homebase store behind Kings Way West Retail Park was guaranteed to be a success and it was closed of a sudden. Homebase closed both their previous branches so they could move into this new unit. it doesn't mean to say, Sainsbury's won't do a u-turn in Glenrothes if it decides it isn't working, they are quite capable of closing branches and i think Glenrothes is rather out of the way concerning road access if you don't know where you're going when you reach Bankhead Roundabout from the south or Preston Roundabout from the north. i know it is going out of topic, but thought you like to know my own opinion of the town centre development impact in Glenrothes.

in my opinion, maybe it would be better if both town centres were downgraded to an extent to encourage more independant stores/cafes/ butchers and bakers and a new shopping park including an anchor M&S store complete with a couple of retail stores like Top Man Top Shop, Borders and one or two fast food outlets including a multiplex cinema, bowling alley and ice arena with a bus station terminal and railway station built somewhere down that Kirkcaldy East/Glenrothes road (A92) with good road access from both towns. i am also in support of another road being built to Glenrothes from Kirkcaldy from the west end coming out near the Warout roundabout. these towns are going to join together and both towns should set aside their differences and work together, not encourage town rivarly and fife council should except this. 80.192.80.184 (talk) 04:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Tourist Ad
There have now been a number of good green lit developments for Glenrothes town centre including -

The Asda Retail Park which is to house - ASDA first scottish eco-store, NEXT , BHS , H&M , River Island , Superdrug , Body Shop , TopShop and a of couple unconfirmed stores.

The Old Co-Op Re-development - A 60,000 sq ft 3 storey structure. (20,000sq ft ground floor leisure which is hinted at being a cinema, and 2 levels of retail)

The Sainsburys development - A 65,000sq ft Sainsburys along with 7 large stores and 8 level multi storey car park. ( Which means the demolition of the Ciswo, YMCA and Glenrothes House)

South Street Ciswo/YMCA - Development - This was approved last week meaning that work can begin in the summer on tearing down the old crap buildings and putting new 21st century buildings up.

Town Centre & Shopping
Removed list of shops as it is unencyclopedic info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcwesty (talk • contribs) 12:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

There have now been a number of good green lit developments for Glenrothes town centre including -

The Asda Retail Park which is to house - ASDA first scottish eco-store, NEXT , BHS , H&M , River Island , Superdrug , Body Shop , TopShop and a of couple unconfirmed stores.

The Old Co-Op Re-development - A 60,000 sq ft 3 storey structure. (20,000sq ft ground floor leisure which is hinted at being a cinema, and 2 levels of retail)

The Sainsburys development - A 65,000sq ft Sainsburys along with 7 large stores and 8 level multi storey car park. ( Which means the demolition of the Ciswo, YMCA and Glenrothes House)

South Street Ciswo/YMCA - Development - This was approved last week meaning that work can begin in the summer on tearing down the old crap buildings and putting new 21st century buildings up.

oh i knew they were probably thinking about opening a cinema in Glenrothes. i just feel like Marvin the Martian "you've made me so angry" Kilnburn (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:SCO assessment
First of all, this is a fine article, and with a few adjustments should certainly sail through GA if you were so inspired. It is certainly not far off an ‘A’ class. Here are my comments, with those I think are particularly important marked with >.

*Lead – should link to Fife and mention something from every major section. >Thus if transport, education and worship are worthy of a section, the lead should say something about it. Why around ‘40,000’ when there is a more accurate number in the infobox? Can you substantiate ‘The town is well known…’? Changes made

‘The name Rothes comes from the association with the north-east Scotland Earl of Rothes, family name Leslie, who owned much of the land historically and after whom the largest local settlement Leslie, pre-Glenrothes New Town, was named, and still exists to the north-west of the town.’ This is a clumsy and over-long sentence. Changes made
 * History - Thornton is linked lower down – its best to link to other articles when they first appear.

>‘In hindsight the loss of the pit can be seen as a blessing in disguise given the demise of Britian's coal mining industry by Margaret Thatcher's Government in the 1970's/80's. The pit's closure did however help change the fortunes of the town for the better.’ Why was it a blessing? There's a typo and it's a clumsy sentence. A British reader would guess, but others may not be sure what you mean. ‘However’ is redundant. Changes made

* GDC ‘480,692 sq m’. There is a protocol about putting horrid little markers between the number and the descriptor. See for example St Kilda, Scotland.

‘ The winding up of the GDC meant that Glenrothes was no longer an official new town.’ “Official’ is a little hackneyed – 'designated' might be better. Done

>* References – The article begins with (Ferguson 1996) style and then moves on to in-line. I believe this should be consistent and I much prefer the latter. Later on the are lots of examples where the inline ref marker comes before the punctuation e.g. ‘to a min of 9°c [2].’ This is incorrect. Changes made

* Today – ‘two of which (at the time) won Saltire Society Awards.’ 'At the time' is redundant. Is ‘Marching Hippos’ a title? In which case it should be Marching Hippos. Ditto Irises lower down. I don’t believe ‘pleasant modernity' needs to be in quotes and italics. (check with WP:MOS). Done

* Geography – should Warout ridge hve a capital R? The temperatures should certainly have a capital C. Done >>Housing precinct list. See WP:EL Lots and lots of other examples of this need fixing. Fixed

>*Demographics – ‘Detailed information about Glenrothes from the Census can be obtained from this Executive website.’ This should be a footnote. Changed

* Shopping. ‘which contain their own local newsagents.’ Not really worth saying. Removed

* Industry ‘Manufacturing and the Public Administration, Education and Health sectors’ should not be capitalised. Done

I doubt caps are needed in 'Glenrothes is the Administrative Centre for Fife'. This is also a duplicate of information in 'Background'

* Landmarks - 'As already mentioned Glenrothes is home to a large number of artworks' Unless it was in the lead why is it mentioned again? Changed

'Two other gateway landmarks, located just outside Glenrothes, are also worthy of mention.' That's an unnecessary statement of opinion. Suggest 'There are two other gateway landmarks, located just outside Glenrothes.' Changed

*Media: Suggest: Glenrothes has a weekly newspaper, the "Glenrothes Gazette" which is operated by the Fife Free Press group, and which is published every Wednesday. Changed

'McLeish's resignation in 2001.' Resignation from what? Added further details

* Education - 'creative arts' is an odd red link. Changed

*Kirks - ' St. Columba's was designed by architects Wheeler & Sproson' We know already! point taken and removed

I've looked at it using two browsers and the co-ords are running over the top of one another at top left.

The most important stuff is the WP:EL. "External links should not be used in the body of an article". To be honest, I don't think you need list every estate and precinct anyway.

Hope that's helpful Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There was a request for a further review at WP:SCO. There has of course been significant progress, but a few items still need attention.
 * 1) "References – The article begins with (Ferguson 1996) style and then moves on to in-line. I believe this should be consistent and I much prefer the latter. Later on the are lots of examples where the inline ref marker comes before the punctuation e.g. ‘to a min of 9°c [2].’ This is incorrect." In short, the referencing style at the beginning should be consistent with that at the end, and the spaces between the in-line ref tags and the text should be removed. Changes made
 * 2)'Administrative Centre for Fife' still appears under 'Industry'. This is its third appearance, and a local authority is not generally considered to be a Changes maden 'industry'. I have attempted an improved version.
 * 3) The co-ords are still running over the top of one another at top left. Not sure how this can be changed...?


 * 4) I didn't notice before, but the sub-sections in the External links make the TOC over-long. The could simply be split up using bold rather than sub-section headers.

I also think you the article would benefit by attempting GA status - you would probably get a more objective non-native eye looking over it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Good work. My only final comment is that there should not be a space between the period and the ref marker, but at least the usage is consistent. Well done. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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Balbirnie, Glenrothes
Ok, just to set the records straight on this.

Balbirnie Park & Golf Course and Balbirnie House Hotel both actually fall within the Glenrothes town boundary, not Markinch. Albeit it is confusing that you have to pass into Markinch before entering the main entrance to the park. Balbirnie Estate fell under the designated area for Glenrothes New Town in the 1948 plan.

The Glenrothes Development Corporation bought the land and house off of the Balfour family in the 1960's and developed it into the park and golf course. The GDC also occupied Balbirnie House at one point to prevent it falling into total disrepair and spent quite a bit of money on converting it for office use. Had this not been done Balbirnie House may have been weather damaged and made derelict beyond repair.

Housing which has been developed on the edges of the park, at Tofthill and Mount Frost officially fall within Glenrothes also.

The Glenrothes Area Local Plan proposals map identifies the boundaries of Markinch and Glenrothes if proof is needed. Balbirnie officialy falls within Glenrothes. | Glenrothes Local Plan Proposals Map

I hope this clarifies the matter.

do you think the infobox picture should be changed?
because if so, that's what i'm thinking about. that picture of Glenrothes from East Falkland Hill would be far more appropriate than the bridge in Riverside Park. it would indicate to those unfamiliar with the town how big it is. Kilnburn (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

removed the info of the "Tullis Russell" Retail Park
According to the source below, plans for construction of the "Tullis Russell" Retail Park in Glenrothes have been dropped by MacDonald Estates because of a lack of suitable tenants. This is so other users who edit the article know why i have removed this. Kilnburn (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggested future article requirements
There is a need to bulk up the Demographics and Geography (non-built environment sections) of the article. It would also be useful if information could be provided on the performance of the schools in the town.

Suggestions of required information as follows:

Demographics -Population growth in the town over the last 60 years based upon 10 year intervals -Population context within Fife and Scotland -Datazone analysis -Levels of Deprevation -Up to date information on unemployment and claiment count -More detail on religeous and ethnic make up of the town -Population densities

Geography -More information on the micro climate of the area, including a table indicating annual temperature levels -Key natural features in the area; bedrock, soil, river and water courses etc, -Biodiversity in the area; primary plant and animal species in the area etc Mcwesty (talk) 14:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks to the IP who has added some section headings today. This article: WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements, might be of interest in regard to laying out standard sections and headings. All the best. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Balbirnie Park & Golf Course and Balbirnie House Hotel both actually fall within the Glenrothes town boundary, not Markinch. Albeit it is confusing that you have to pass into Markinch before entering the main entrance to the park. Balbirnie Estate fell under the designated area for Glenrothes New Town in the 1948 plan. The Glenrothes Development Corporation bought the land and house off of the Balfour family in the 1960's and developed it into the park and golf course. The GDC also occupied Balbirnie House at one point to prevent it falling into total disrepair and spent quite a bit of money on converting it for office use. Had this not been done Balbirnie House may have been weather damaged and made derelict beyond repair. Housing which has been developed on the edges of the park, at Tofthill and Mount Frost officially fall within Glenrothes also. 124.253.171.184 (talk) 10:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)