Talk:Global Leadership and Organizational Behavior Effectiveness Research Project

Anglos in Europe
The Anglo cluster section lists only England out of the UK and also lists Ireland of European countries. Do GLOBE not also include the rest of the UK in the cluster? Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:20, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm more confused as to why "Nordic Europe" omits Norway and Iceland... Hayden120 (talk) 17:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

verification is needed. And if this checks out, some explanation would be nice. Why is Israel clustered with Latin Europe? More generally, do these people know what they are doing? Dividing Nordic, Anglo, Germanic and Latin Europe, but lumping "Confucian Asia" into a single group strikes me as rather Eurocentric in terms of resolution or granularity of this system. --dab (𒁳) 10:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Some things to consider:
 * They are not even trying to establish precise cultural boundaries. E.g. Norway and Iceland don't appear on the list simply because they have no cooperating researchers there, hence no data. We can easily predict where they would have put them, but of course we must go by the actual definition. It's important not to take it for more universal than it is meant.
 * Israel is clustered with Latin Europe because, apparently, they found the parameters which they measured were similar.
 * The big lump "Confucian Asia" makes sense for the same reason: The granularity of their data points.
 * As to the more general question whether they know what they are doing – maybe, maybe not. They were inspired in part by the work of Geert Hofstede. He later criticised them. I have summarised it in the article as follows: "In response to the published results of Phase 2, Hofstede criticized some elements of GLOBE's approach such as overly abstract wording of questions, neglect of correlations with wealth, neglect of male–female differences and addressing only managers with the questionnaires." It's worth reading Hofstede's article (freely available online). I found his criticism convincing and so tend to agree with his conclusion that due to the methodological problems it's not at all clear what they measured. Hans Adler 11:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Of course, I realize that if they decide Israel should be lumped with Latin Europe, it's their business and we can report the fact for whatever it is worth. However, this doesn't mean that Israel "is" in Latin Europe. Their terms Latin Europe, Germanic Europe etc. have existence outside this study, and they have just taken them and used them for their own purposes.

For this reason, it is a terrible idea to have Germanic Europe cluster redirect to this page. As I have established at wikt:, the term "Germanic Europe" has been in widespread use since at least the 1830s. It is a notion of a certain entity in historiography and ethnography. GLOBE is just one random example of literature using the term. --dab (𒁳) 13:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Notability tag
I am confused by the notability tag. This is a huge international study, running over many years, that has published two books and a large number of research articles. Depending on the source, 160-200 researchers are said to have been involved, only a handful from each country. What exactly would we require in this case? They certainly don't have the general press coverage that the World Values Survey is getting (if any). But the same is true for other purely technical/academic topics.

Normally in case of academic topics we ask for references by independent researchers. In this case this is hard to check. Google Scholar has 34 hits for "Global Leadership and Organizational Behavior Effectiveness Research Project", but it would be painful to compare the authors with lists of the GLOBE researchers to see if any are independent. The criticism by Geert Hofstede is certainly independent, though. Hans Adler 12:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's only a diploma thesis, but might help: Eine kritische Analyse der interkulturellen Führungsforschung am Beispiel des GLOBE-Projektes.
 * "Zweifelsohne stellt das GLOBE1-Projekt einen bedeutenden Meilenstein in der Geschichte der interkulturellen Führungsforschung dar (Scandura & Dorfman 2004, S. 278) und hat einen bedeutenden Beitrag zur Etablierung dieser Disziplin in den vergangenen Jahren geleistet (vgl. Dickson, Den Hartog & Mitchelson 2003, S. 731). Vergleichbare interkulturelle Studien von so einem großen Ausmaß und mit einer so hohen internationalen Beteiligung hat es zuvor in dieser Form noch nicht gegeben. // Es verwundert deshalb nicht, dass GLOBE in den letzten Jahren viel Aufmerksamkeit auf sich gezogen hat und wohl auch weiterhin ziehen wird. Die Impulse, die von diesem Projekt für Forschung und Praxis ausgehen, lassen sich momentan, wenn überhaupt, nur erahnen. "
 * The diploma thesis also cites another criticism by George B. Grean from 2006 and a response by GLOBE researchers to both. These should certainly be included in the article.Hans Adler 12:19, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I am just saying that notability as a standalone topic is not established. If it is a Meilenstein in der Geschichte der interkulturellen Führungsforschung, why don't we cite it as an important reference in an article on intercontinental leadership research, or failing that, at leadership research? It seems silly to have an article about a "Global Leadership and Organizational Behavior Effectiveness Research Project" as long as we don't even have basic article about the field itself. If this thing has indeed given rise to an entirely new field of research, our best approach is to write an article about that field, not about some seminal study in isolation. --dab (𒁳) 13:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I made leadership research a redirect to leadership studies. I also note that the article is a creation of April 2009, and has coi issues (basically reads like a university press release). It's fair enough to cover a recently established field, but care must be taken that its importance or recognition is not inflated. --dab (𒁳) 13:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Merging
There is a suggestion that this article should be merged with "Leadership Studies." Since many studies in cross-cultural psychology also use this database, I feel that it should continue to be a stand-alone article. Shandong44