Talk:Global citizenship

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Hi Everyone,

I'm one of Richard Falk's former grad students (now a Lecturer in Politics at Virginia) and am potentially interested in helping on this page, though my first thought was to combine the first two sentences into one and say that the concept is closely related to globalization, cosmopolitanism AND world citizenship and I see people have or at least had some opinions on that so I'll just post this for now and check back later. ..

Pete Furia

P.S. Here's a link to an article I wrote on the empirical status of global citizenship if anyone's interested!

 -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petefuria (talk • contribs) 03:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I for one think it would be wonderful if you could help clean up this page. It needs a lot of work. 94.222.212.251 (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

can anyone define globalisation? I do not have an expensive dictionary and using the internet hurts my head too much. i would like to know what major dictionaries like Merriam-Webster say what globalisation is.

UBCO Contribution
As a group project in Cosmopolitanism, we added what UBC is doing in regards to being a Global Citizen Newtonsavvis (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Not too enthusiastic about merging
World citizen is about a political goal to create democratic world institutions of which all earthlings would be citizens. Global citizenship is more vague, it is the feeling to belong to the same world. A merger might confuse those two aspects, they are certainly complementary but are not at the same level. BTW, another article about a close concept is democratic globalization, which has its own approach also. We have here quite a rich topic, and to have three article to show each side of it is quite justified. --Pgreenfinch (talk) 08:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

agreed. world citizen and global citizen, while similar sounding seem to be different.Twinscimitars (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, to merge the two would deny the imminent overshadowing of the world citizen concept by the global citizenship concept. I am currently working in grad school and studying this topic, it is, simply put, the position or status of being a citizen of the whole world, with all the rights and privileges that implies. Furthermore, it is a concept that implies being a good citizen. Key parts of global citizenship include a respect for any and all fellow global citizens, no matter their race, religion or creed. It also denotes a commitment to the environment and the sustainment of the Earth. It does not; however, go as far as to say that one automatically accepts the beliefs of another citizen, but that one judges those believe with a clear, open mind and evaluates while respecting the believers right to believe what they will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhale77 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi
I think I'm going to go ahead and take out "world citizenship." I am thinking of offering a seperate point on it, and creating a link for a potential article to be created on it.

What do others think?

Please interpret changes as *suggestions*. Global citizenship is a huge topic and I am not an expert. Circular Leaf (talk) 06:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, I forgot to include reasons for the last edit.

The changes include grammar, writing style changes (for clarity and ease), and suggestions to make the article more accurate (e.g. World citizenship and qualifying some of the sentences a little bit). Feel free to discuss, ask questions, or disagree. Thank you. Circular Leaf (talk) 04:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

how
How exactly do you gain globak citizenship?Someone65 (talk) 10:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe this article is about global citizenship in a literal sense. Rather, I interpreted global citizenship as a philosophical standpoint that people like myself take. I view myself as a citizen of the Earth first (it's my home, and yours too), having responsibilities to the entire planet and its inhabitants, so that I recognize that the actions of my country affect other nations and other fellow "citizens" or inhabitants of this planet, and so on as you scale down to more regional and then more local levels. Some would say that if everyone viewed themselves as a citizen of the world (having "global citizenship"), we might all view and treat each other differently, and have more respect for one another as fellow citizens. These are the messages I felt the article conveyed - not a literal sense of actually having and recognizing certain individuals as being global citizens of every nation.  John Shandy`   &bull; talk 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * hhmm. Pretty ambiguous Someone65 (talk) 18:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for a Major Rewrite of this Page
As this page is rambling, somewhat controversial, and confusing, what about if we reorganize it so that it looks like other articles that explain particular philosophies. Existentialsm looks like a good model. Readers of that article don't need to agree with the philosophy to understand it's meaning. Perhaps we could start with "Concepts", "History", and "Criticisms" and go from there. Would any of the previous experts who commented (or others!) be willing to help work in this direction? LizFlash (talk) 07:19, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Reorganized existing Criticism section
I have added subsections to the Criticism section. I also moved the two paragraphs that were at the bottom up into "World State is Not Desirable." I don't think the idea of global citizenship advocates for a world state, so its sort of weird that that's a criticism. Nevertheless, my goal for now is to make the article less like an essay on the subject, so that we can actually start working on improving the content of the article.

Concepts
Here is a list of concepts I think should be clarified in this article:
 * Globalization
 * Citizenship
 * Global Citizenship
 * Please add what you think!

History
This article could be improved with subsections about:
 * Cosmopolitanism in Ancient Greece
 * The Enlightenment
 * Please add what you think!

Similar Philosophies
Similar philosophies might also be a useful section. Perhaps each subsection should include a global citizenship response and a link to the page on wikipedia. Subsections could include: LizFlash (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * World Citizenship
 * Global Civics
 * Democratic Globalization
 * Please add what you think!

Globalization Project Proposal
In other news, I'm proposing a project where we could work together with others who care about Globalization to improve the way the subject is dealt with on Wikipedia. If you'd be interested in participating, please take a minute and check out the Globalization Project Proposal. LizFlash (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Major restructuring and re-write
This article is classified as "high priority" by WP:WikiProject Globalization and is in need of major rewrite and restructuring to address the multiple problems that have been listed. Currently, the topic has been made overly broad and may contain material already covered or that should be covered in other articles. I propose a simple outline:


 * I. Definition
 * II. Dimensions/Aspects
 * III. Criticisms
 * IV. See also
 * V. References
 * VI. Further reading
 * VII. External links

Comments made on this page are welcome! Meclee (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * A major overhaul of the article has been completed and the 'multiple problems' tag removed. Large portions of commentary have been removed as unclear in the context.  I may come back and make some more connections between 'global citizenship' and 'global civics'.  Meclee (talk) 00:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Merge proposal
There was a year-old merge tag on the article Mundialization proposing a merger with Globalization. I see no discussion of that on either talkpage. I have changed the tag & re-dated to propose a merger here, with Global citizenship, which seems a better fit. Another possibility is a merger with World citizen, but I've been thinking about proposing a merger of (Global citizenship & World citizen). Comments and discussion should be made here. Regards, Meclee (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have just proposed also a merger of World citizen into Global citizenship with the World citizen movement as a major section with little change in content. Meclee (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Where is this merge proposal up to?
I would favour the merge and might be willing to do it. --Greenmaven (talk) 18:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this l;ast Dec.! Merger is now underway. Please propose any changes to present text on this talk page before editing article. Meclee (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Mergers
Global_citizenship.

Global_citizenship.

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Aliens
Why isn't the essential point of global citizenship brought up? People live in different countries and hold different citizenships. A global citizenship would only make sense if Earth was one of many planets hosting life. That would make people overcome the boudaries of countries and identify themselves as general "Earth citizens". Instead of competing countries, there would be competing planets. Everything would happen on a larger scale. Only then would the flag of the Earth make sense. That's why the concept currently fails. We simply haven't met aliens yet. --2.245.176.239 (talk) 12:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Best comment ever. -&mdash; አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2017 (UTC)


 * And I was just thinking how myopic it is.  Paine Ellsworth   u/ c  10:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Criticism by Morris
The criticism section includes a paragraph about Gouverneur Morris talking about immigrants to the US. It's not about global citizens or stateless people but rather people who abandoned a former country to go to the United States—something he claimed is a bad thing to do. Apart from being a primary source, I'm not sure this really fits the topic since it also seems to imply French Americans and Anglo-Americans are disloyal to their new country. The following preceeds the part quoted in that section:The lesson we are taught is that we should be governed as much by our reason, and as little by our feelings as possible. What is the language of Reason on this subject? That we should not be polite at the expence of prudence. There was a moderation in all things. It is said that some tribes of Indians, carried their hospitality so far as to offer to strangers their wives & daughters. Was this a proper model for us? He would admit them to his house, he would invite them to his table, would provide for them confortable lodgings; but would not carry the complaisance so far as, to bed them with his wife. He would let them worship at the same altar, but did not choose to make Priests of them. He ran over the privileges which emigrants would enjoy among us, though they should be deprived of that of being eligible to the great offices of Government; observing that they exceeded the privileges allowed to foreigners in any part of the world; and that as every Society from a great nation down to a club had the right of declaring the conditions on which new members should be admitted, there could be no room for complaint.Prinsgezinde (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I would like to share some ideas I have learned with respect to criticism. For a long period of time, we've maybe heard alot of instances from open-minded individuals who elaborated that whenever we criticize, we need to be specific to the point that it must be constructive and not destructive. The way I understand is if what we saw or perceived is wrong about any circumstances, therefore the conclusion we knew what is right. Because we knew what is right, then in order for our criticism to be constructive, we must provide the right thing, rather than criticising forever and ignore what is supposed make the wrong right. On the other hand, scientists have made a lot of experiments, looking for facts and evaluate the results, deriving mathematical equations to find true answers or near truth on something useful for humanity as a whole. I always use my own logic with a reserved proof in case questions may appear. On the case mentioned, my logic is if we keep criticising destructively without showing a solution, then this where the word "PRIDE" evolves of an instinct human being. Because PRIDE is now active, then this is where probably the so called "DISCRIMINATION" subsequently evolves, which would spark hates between humans and later become destruction. Everytime I show logical reason on every ideas I see, it is always based on my thorough experiences I have learned at 99.99% of the time dealing individual as a human, and effectively shown me that percentage. To the point that if we deal with human, therefore be human, or if we deal a dog, be like a dog. Not for wild animals because it's out of context. I am happy if there are others who would share their opinions relative to my logic perception with respect to the above mentioned criticisms. That at least I can find if there would be a significant difference found. Moreover, finding one sample data from a population and make a conclusion out of it, although we are not deprive to make conclusion, but I am sure that if anybody would agree, that the information we are trying to find is far far away from the truth according to statistics.🙏 2601:246:A00:6BB0:24D0:8D9A:C78C:92BA (talk) 04:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * A World Citizen Program site
 * Primary School Global Citizenship site
 * Cosmopolitanism at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
 * Global Culture Essays on the influence of Global Citizens
 * Living in the World Risk Society by Ulrich Beck at the London School of Economics
 * Great Transition Initiative Paper Series Global Politics and Institutions, paper No. 3, and Dawn of the Cosmopolitan: The Hope of a Global Citizens Movement, paper No. 15, explore the potential for the emergence of a cosmopolitan identity and corresponding institutions. EMsmile (talk) 01:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Removed further reading list
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 * Bauman, Zygmunt, Intimations of Postmodernity (1992: Routledge, London)
 * Bellamy, Richard, "Citizenship beyond the nation state: the case of Europe," from Political Theory in Transition, edited by Noël O’Sullivan (2000: Routledge, London)
 * Bennett, W. Lance, News: the Politics of Illusion (1996: Longman, New York)
 * Bennett, W. Lance, "Consumerism and Global Citizenship: Lifestyle Politics, Permanent Campaigns, and International Regimes of Democratic Accountability." Unpublished paper presented at the International Seminar on Political Consumerism, Stockholm University, 30 May 2001.
 * Best, Steven & Kellner, Douglas, The Postmodern Turn (1997: Guilford Press, New York)
 * Cabrera, Luis, The Practice of Global Citizenship (2010: Cambridge University Press, Cambridge)
 * Clarke, Paul Berry, Deep Citizenship ( 1996: Pluto Press, London)
 * Eriksen, Erik & Weigård, Jarle, "The End of Citizenship: New Roles Challenging the Political Order" in The Demands of CitizenshipI, edited by Catriona McKinnon & Iain Hampsher-Monk (2000: Continuum, London)
 * Franck, Thomas M., The Empowered Self: Law and Society in the Age of Individualism (1999: Oxford University Press, Oxford)
 * Iyer, Pico, The Global Soul (2000: Alfred A. Knopf, New York).
 * Jacobson, David, Rights across Borders: Immigration and the Decline of Citizenship (1996: Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore)
 * Lie, Rico & Servaes, Jan, "Globalization: consumption and identity – towards researching nodal points," in The New Communications Landscape, edited by Georgette Wang, Jan Servaes and Anura Goonasekera (2000: Routledge, London)
 * Kaspersen, Lars Bo, "State and Citizenship Under Transformation in Western Europe" in Public Rights, Public Rules: Constituting Citizens in the World Polity and National Policy, edited by Connie L. McNeely (1998: Garland, New York)
 * Kennedy, John F., Profiles in Courage (1956: Harper & Brothers, New York)
 * Preston, P.W., Political/Cultural Identity: Citizens and Nations in a Global Era (1997: Sage, London)
 * Scammell, Margarett, "Internet and civic engagement: Age of the citizen-consumer" found at https://web.archive.org/web/20050304033622/http://jsis.artsci.washington.edu/programs/cwesuw/scammell.htm
 * Schuler, Douglas, "Creating the World Citizen Parliament", May–June 2013. ACM Interactions, found at http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament
 * Steenbergen, Bart van, "The Condition of Citizenship" in The Condition of Citizenship, edited by Bart van Steenbergen (1994: Sage Publications, London)
 * Steenbergen, Bart van, "The Condition of Citizenship" in The Condition of Citizenship, edited by Bart van Steenbergen (1994: Sage Publications, London)

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Suggested improvements
I assessed this article as part of this project but have run out of time to make these improvements myself in the near future. Perhaps someone else wants to tackle them:
 * Review headings, use standard headings
 * The lead is not a good summary;
 * Consider renaming criticism section as per WP:CRIT.
 * Not clear to me what other content ought to go into this article but it feels incomplete. In SDG 13 the term global citizenship education is used, which is perhaps more clearly defined. I'm wondering if global citizenship education really deserves its own sub-article or if it should be merged back in. EMsmile (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)