Talk:Global storm activity of 2005-2007

=2005=

The events of 2005
July 1st saw a heavy dust storm in Kenya's Rift Valley, killing 1 local man. (sources and other storms comming soon). --Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 12:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is being so.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 19:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

=2006=

What?
What's this? Who decides the dates? If there's nothing previously published about winter storm "seasons" having dates, I don't see how anyone could take two random dates in violation of WP:NOR? Are there sources? Also, this isn't related to the 2006 AHS. – Chacor 04:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you think of a better way to do this? Outright deleting it doesn't seem like a solution. When seasonal snowfall is recorded, they always cut it off at June 30. If it's June 30, 2005, and, say, 5 inches of snow falls, it would go into the totals for the 2004-05 seasonal snowfall. Then if another 5 inches falls on July 1, 2005, it will count towards the 2005-06 seasonal totals. That seems to be enough rationale to me. bob rulz 05:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, while I do agree with you (winter seasons traditionally start July 1st, i.e. heating/cooling degree days), let's remember "Thirty days have September..." -Runningonbrains 05:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh...what do you mean by "thirty days have September..." bob rulz 05:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The rhyme "Thirty days have September, April, June, and November. As in there is no June 31.  But whatever, no biggie. -Runningonbrains 05:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahahah, wow, I can't believe I said June 31. Thanks for correcting me on that. bob rulz 06:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The NWS does define the snowfall season to be July 1-June 30, which also matches the water year in the West. It is actually possible for a snow event in the highest elevations of the Wasatch to bridge the mystic time of July 1 midnight.  Remember, hail now counts as part of the frozen precipitation total, so one must be careful.  Can someone say "d'oh"?  Thegreatdr 01:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

September 14-16
I'm copying the event discussions used on the Tornadoes of 2006 discussion page; seems reasonable to include them here as well. It looks like the first widespread snow event of the season appears to be on its way for the mountains of the Pacific Northwest. Snow is expected to fall as far south as central Colorado and maybe even southern Colorodo. If a widespread significant snow event in fact does occur with appreciable accumulations, it will be the first event addition to this article. bob rulz 05:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It is ALMOST time to think about this. By October we will surely have entries. As for the random dates, yes, it had to be cut off SOMEWHERE - otherwise we'd have a page covering up to Dec.31 and another starting at Jan.1 when, for all we know, the same storm could be covered both times! CrazyC83 03:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The first winter weather advisories of the year have been issued, with up to a foot of snow expected in the western Montana mountains and several inches in the Washington Cascades. Nothing significant has occurred yet, but even if it's just for the simple reason that this is the first widespread snow event of the season, it should be mentioned. bob rulz 05:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Brett Anderson from Accuweather.com said that there were reports of 20-25 cm in the mountains of Alberta. But it is a blog, but will it be good to add that reference. --JForget 01:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

September 21-23
Another winter storm is moving into the West. Up to a foot of snow is expected in the mountains of Utah and Wyoming, and 1-2 feet in the mountains of Colorado. Haven't seen any snow totals yet. bob rulz 04:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is still really early though. October is when the lowlands start to get involved. Typically, the first major snow is in October in the far northern Plains and lower parts of the Rockies. Otherwise, you have to go up to Canada to find snow then. I'm not sure about over in Europe? (Major events overseas get coverage here too, this is a worldwide page, although coverage will be lower there) CrazyC83 05:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

October 11-13
First winter storm for the Upper Peninsula of Michigan; 1-2 feet of snow is currently forecast for the most favorable areas. bob rulz 22:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also stretching westward into northern Wisconsin and Minnesota. CrazyC83 00:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see that now. Up to a foot of snow expected in those areas. This should be fun to watch, but the cold weather is the big event. bob rulz 04:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Up to a foot of snow has fallen in the snowband areas of New York. Buffalo set an all-time October daily snowfall record, while several areas in Lower Michigan have set records for the earliest measurable snow on record. This is an impressive storm! bob rulz 09:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The 2 feet was lake-effect, but for October, that is really impressive! It was very localized though; outside of the bands, there were only light flurries. Not article-worthy though being so localized. CrazyC83 16:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I dunno, I was considering writing an article for it. Buffalo NWS said it was the most unusual and extreme event they had ever witnessed.  "Unprecedented meteorological parameters" were in place. What exactly does qualify a storm as encyclopaedic?  Are there guidelines anywhere? -Runningonbrains 21:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, consider that even though only a small area got a substantial snow, almost everywhere around the great lakes recorded record-breaking earliest snows, even though it was only a few inches at most(see here). -Runningonbrains 22:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was also considering whether or not it was worthy of an article. Personally, I think that if we can find enough info on it, then someone should write an article for it. There were lots of new stories on it, and the Buffalo NWS probably has a report on it. bob rulz 12:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Article
Someone else made the article Lake Storm "Aphid". While it should be renamed (October 2006 Buffalo storm or something like that), I think we should build it up. It is older but poorly-linked. I was looking to see if one existed. CrazyC83 19:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

October 25-26
Huge blizzard expected to drop up to a foot of snow on the Front Range of Colorado, and perhaps 2 feet in the mountains. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out; Denver snowstorms especially have a tendency to be unpredictable. bob rulz 02:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's turning out to be quite intense already... CrazyC83 17:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah...I wish I lived there. Anyway, just a reminder to people: try not to use Yahoo! links for news! Their links go dead after a short period, and then it would be difficult to go back and find another news source to use. bob rulz 22:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

November 26-December 2
Early models seem to be picking up a potential double-whammy, with severe snow in the northern Plains. (Combined with the severe weather farther south, see Talk:Tornadoes of 2006 for that part) CrazyC83 03:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, even down here in Utah there's currently hype over a significant storm. It's not just the Northern Plains. bob rulz 06:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This could be a case of a rare "split article" being created... CrazyC83 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hype about this is starting in Michigan as well. &mdash;BazookaJoe 05:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This storm and the cold that will follow it are looking stronger all the time. The cold associated with it could be historic (for November, at least). bob rulz 08:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Changed date to reflect the storm now moving onshore (and expected to drop 1-2 feet of snow in the Cascades and Sierra Nevada today). bob rulz 10:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks like a cross-continent system too...this could affect almost everyone either with heavy snow or severe thunderstorms... CrazyC83 15:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Could finally be snow in eastern Ontario late Friday or Saturday, and maybe a lot--JForget 23:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

As for an article for this, I think it should be considered...although I do want to wait and see what happens beneath the cold front - the blizzards in the Northwest almost warrant one. CrazyC83 02:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Should because of the impact on the Coast, especially Vancouver, they rarely see snow during the winter and even less in November and even less in that magnitude in November. 50 centimetres in some suburbs of Vancouver is quite unusual.

I've added the Midwest, Great Lakes and yes... Eastern Ontario event in the same sub-section, considering the storm will be connecting to the same that caused all the mess in B.C and in the Prairies. Should it still have though a separate sub-section?--JForget 00:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I liked how parts of Oklahoma had an active Tornado Watch and Winter Storm Warning silmultaneously. I hear that Joe Bastardi is thinking about 10-20 inches 75 miles on either side of the line from Tulsa to the Saginaw, calling it equal &mdash; for some &mdash; to the Feb 2006 NYC Blizzard, one of the greatest of all time. &mdash;BazookaJoe 01:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This has some reminiscent characteristics of the 1993 Superstorm too, as it appears that it will be a derecho - and not a tornado outbreak - on the severe storm side. Everything should go together if an article is made. It will likely be the Tennessee Valley on the 30th and the Mid-Atlantic and eastern Great Lakes on Dec. 1st that gets the severe weather. CrazyC83 06:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm living where we don't know if we will get a foot or more of snow or tons of ice. Lastest Canadian (MM & TWN & EC)models seems to gives us a better shot for freezing rain from Thursday Night to Friday Evening and dropping from + 15 to -1 from the afternoon to tonight.--JForget 11:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to recommend an article: Late November 2006 North American Storm Complex so that it covers the blizzard, ice storm and possible tornado outbreak/derecho. Also the North American blizzard of 2006 should be moved to North American blizzard of February 2006. CrazyC83 06:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Article shell now in place at User:CrazyC83/Storm1106. It has a lot ahead though, being sooooo widespread... CrazyC83 04:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Possibility for a rediculous derecho in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast. This really could be almost on the scale of 1993, not quite as bad though severe-wise. SPC outlook


 * I'll try to find as much information as I can on this storm. However, it is a huge event, and will be difficult to cover. bob rulz 05:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. This was soooooooo widespread...we'd need to focus on certain parts each. I can't remember anything so severe in so many areas in such a long time... CrazyC83 06:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

December 18-23
Latest guidance may suggest a winter storm for some areas in the eastern half of the continent by late week or in the weekend. Right it is hitting the Rockies, and tommorrow the Panhandles. Watches are in effect for South Dakota and Nebraska and looks like the Twin Cities will be hitThis will likely be the last chance for a white Christmas, but it is unsure who will get hit with what. Chances of a white Christmas in Ottawa according to Accuweather.com is 70%, one of the highest probability in eastern Canada.


 * It`s already happening in the central Rockies and High Plains. Made mention to it now. Some areas could get up to 3 feet there, especially Colorado. CrazyC83 18:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

December 24-27 - The Christmas Nor'easter of 2006?
Well looks like a new storm will form and hit the northeast on the 25th and 26th. Most of I-95 will see rain although the Great Lakes may finally see some snow. It has been bare (with a few exceptions) since the beginning.--JForget 12:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears that an area in southern Ontario from just north of Toronto to about Ottawa may receive as much as a foot of snow Monday night into Tuesday. We could finally taste some snow here.--JForget 01:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Any updates from around there? bob rulz 01:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The storm was a dud, I think the system didn't had as much cold air and moisture as expected, so highest amounts were possibly around 6 inches and it was mostly wet and slushy snow mixed at times with rain. No need to mention it unless there were reports in the States (i.e Ohio Valley)--JForget 03:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

December 28-31
New blizzard for the Front Range and Central Plains. Man, two major blizzards in 1 week! bob rulz 01:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

This one will be a slow mover and may impact eastern portions of the continent by New Year's Day. Probably it will be a similar scenario as the December 25-26 system - it means it will depend on how much colder air it will have. So it may well last beyond the 31st this system. Wish that type of weather would of hit in Ontario--JForget 03:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see much happening outside the Plains and Rockies...the severe weather in the South is likely to bust... CrazyC83 03:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hell of a snowstorm for the Plains, though. Goodland, Kansas and Albuquerque, New Mexico both saw near record snowstorms. bob rulz 10:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The entry for this storm just pisses me off. Not a single mention of Nebraska, which received the worst Ice Storm ever recorded in the state. Power was out for weeks to some rural customers, a town of 6,000 people was without power for a week and ran on generators for a further two weeks, and thousands of miles of power lines and transmission lines had to be repaired or rebuilt from scratch. Tens of thousands of wooden power poles had to be replaced, and the final repairs on the power grid were not made until October of 2007, over nine months after the storm hit. Some locations received over 4 inches of freezing rain from this storm. Nowhere else in the "Texas Panhandle into South Dakota" area had as much ice accumulation as south-central Nebraska, and yet the state's not even mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toroca (talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

January 12-15 - Ice Storm '07?


While reading this blog, there have possibilities that a wicked snow storm may impact the Great Lakes region by the end of the weekend. Right now, it is expecting to hit Colorado with yet more snow and then will tap out some Gulf moisture before heading northeast across the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley area. There would be a huge contrast between both sides of the low as probably we may have some 50s and 60s (perhaps 70s) on the warm side and some teen's or 20's on the north side (with possibly sub-zeros next week in some areas). For those following tornadoes, there could be some of that, but probably the big story will probably be several big cities being hit with heavy snow from Saturday to Monday. Right now, areas such as Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal may be hit hard. But that's remains to be seen and if the story materialized, this could article-worthy.

For folks in the I-95, maybe there is something for the 20th, but that's way ahead, so I won't talk about it now, but could be a head's up.

Listen up to Henry Margusity's video on January 10 for more details.--JForget 21:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the big story could be the Ice Storm of 2007 in the Midwest, from northern Texas up to Illinois. That could be article-worthy at this rate...I don't think the snow will be as bad as some think at this point. Some comparisons could even be made with Ice Storm '98 (of course, that was much farther north) and a similar one in 1994 in the Southeast (which needs an article). CrazyC83 22:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this is shaping up to be a pretty bad storm. Four people have been killed already! bob rulz 11:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The worst is yet to come too! About 230,000 people are without power on my count so far... CrazyC83 15:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Storm track seems more to the north and west that the previous forecast. Omaha, Nebraska and Des Moines, Iowa which originally wasn't expecting much activity are under winter storms watches. Meanwhile, areas such as Detroit, Toronto and Cleveland may also see some of that ice. But the Great Lakes region (except the snow belts) are really having a hard getting just little snowfall this year.--JForget 17:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Little side note, but will the current freezing spell which affects California be part of the article about that storm?--JForget 18:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, since it has nothing to do with that system. Maybe a brief mention but nothing in depth. (However, in the very unlikely chance it crosses the Atlantic and produces severe winter weather in Europe, it should be kept on one article as it is the same system) CrazyC83 23:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Careful, blogs are not WP:RS. BBC reports 35 deaths. – Chacor 00:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't used blogs for my contributions for that storm, it came from the Ottawa Sun, CNN, CBC and TVA Also, Probably the BBC have omitted fatalities in Canada because there have been two so far and CNN also omitted those in their articles. I had to check local (Ottawa) and Quebec media to find the news on fatalities in those areas.--JForget 01:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As Texas had more then enough of freezing rain, looks like another potent event is in store for Texas as another storm will brew across the Deep South late this week. Right now, it seems Dallas, Austin and San Antonio may be affected. It looks like another big winter event for the Midwest for the weekend. --JForget 21:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

What a week!
Wow, this was quite wild. 132 deaths (so far) worldwide in one week...little did we see this coming! That is an awful lot for a winter storm. Prayers go out to all of the 132+ that have lost their lives and everyone around them...

At this rate, the North American total may exceed 100, seeing that we have nothing out of Mexico at this point... CrazyC83 16:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Great Lakes lake-effect superstorm
Even though it is localized, does this warrants an article. 300 cm of snow that's impressive in one week. I hope there will be more information about areas of Michigan and Ontario, as some areas really got hit hard there too as well.--JForget 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think an article is warranted if someone can find enough info to cover it. bob rulz 08:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

February 12-16 - Major eastern storm
This looks quite big this week, I hope it goes even further north (as the trend seems to be lately) so maybe eastern Ontario would get hit. Maybe that will be article warrant. It is still a good 72-96 hours away. It looks like it is most of New England that will get hit and parts of the Mid-Atlantic. Although I've seen in the past that storms that was forecasted to hit New York ended up in Ontario. In this one, we may need a 100-150 mile shift further north and west--JForget 16:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: Looks like I'm right, my area (Ottawa) is currently in the 6-12 inches area with a 18 inches zone just 150 miles to the east.--JForget 21:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Blizzard warnings in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. CrazyC83 12:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

(Canada) O.K, right now anywhere from Kingston/Ottawa to western New Brunswick is going to be near-blizzard to blizzard conditions - Pretty much a guaranteed of 8 + inches everywhere with as much as 2 feet locally. Heard and read that the track was even more to the west (so maybe my area could get also 1 foot). Also Western shores of Lake Ontario (Hamilton) may get 2 feet of snow due to lake enhancement.

(U.S) This could be quite significant for an article with the ice forecast for the I-95 area north of Philadelphia not to mention we have tornadoes in the South.--JForget 20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

February 21-25 - Cross-country winter storm
A huge storm has arrived on the Pacific coast and is expected to drop as much as 3 feet in the Sierras and 1-2 feet in the mountains around Los Angeles. It will move east and turn into a major winter storm for the central Plains, extending in a swath through the northern Great Lakes, with ice and snow possible in the mid-Atlantic and New England by Sunday. Severe weather is also expected in the South. bob rulz 07:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Connected to a developing severe weather outbreak to the south; I am currently covering that, since that may be the headliner... CrazyC83 00:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems that this storm will be more notable for the severe weather outbreak, the snow portion will literally break apart after hitting the midwest with 6-10 inches then the east will get virtually peanuts (and nothing again in my area as it has been the case all winter long). --JForget 03:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Could see up to a foot-and-a-half in parts of the Upper Midwest. bob rulz 21:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Combined article?
Should this be combined with the previous storm (and the next one?) into a winter storm sequence article? They affected pretty much the same areas, and this doesn't seem article-worthy by itself but pretty close to... CrazyC83 13:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

February 27-March 2
Another huge storm is expected to move onshore on Tuesday morning (the 27th) and could add several more feet of snow to the mountains there; it could also lead to a significant winter storm in the northern Plains and Upper Midwest by early March. bob rulz 04:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

And this time, it looks like it will not split in the Great Lakes region like the other one - maybe finally the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal area will finally get a big one (long overdue), although I'm concerned for some ice mixed here. --JForget 21:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

March 26-29
Could be a good-sized storm for the majority of the Rocky Mountain and northern High Plains region. The Billings-Sheridan area could see up to 2 feet of snow from this storm, while some mountain areas will see up to 3 feet. bob rulz 08:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

April 13-16
Looks a major storm possibly nor'easter will hit the northeastern part of the continent, but looks like the Appalachians will a lot of snow which may extend the ski season quite a bit. Looks like many areas could get over 1 foot (I presume especially the higher terrains) - Adirondacks, Catskills, etc.--JForget 01:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering if an article on all the mess this storm created (flooding, tornadoes, damaging wind, storm surge, snow storm and various effects) would be justified. This storm looks as bad as the December 1 storm minus the ice. But I won't have time to start it this week - being busy on other stuff, but if anyone is willing to start an article about the monster nor'easter, can do so.--JForget 21:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Reference
While I agree that we should have references, a problem comes up when we reference AccuWeather; they don't keep archives. Tomorrow, when all of the news headlines change, that reference will probably link to something completely different. Also (I know, this probably counts as original research), AccuWeather tends to severely underestimate snow totals, especially in the West, and are always lower than NWS advisories. bob rulz 05:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See? It now links to something completely different. bob rulz 20:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I was unable to find anything other than accuweather. We'll have to search pretty hard to find it or else we may run into citation problems.  Did anyone copy and paste the text perchance? -Runningonbrains 00:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, not me. Also, maybe this place will work: Weekly weather summaries updated every Tuesday (Wednesday on holiday weekends). It's the best weather summarizing place I've been able to find. bob rulz 00:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems pretty good...and will definately be useful in the future. I only skimmed through the current one but I assume it covers the snowstorm in question. -Runningonbrains 01:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep an eye out for HPC storm summaries. HPC keeps an active archive, and writes storm summaries for those events which cover 3 or more county warning areas and are expected to have a significant impact precipitation-wise and media-wise, like the Late November Nor'easter. Thegreatdr 01:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a link? I've been looking for something like that. bob rulz 07:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * might be of interest... Storm summary #12 (final) for this event from the HPC, including snowfall and rainfall totals. – Chacor 16:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that link will certainly prove useful. Thanks for providing it. How big does a storm have to be for them to release reports like this? bob rulz 06:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: I'm not sure when it started, but AccuWeather now keeps archives. The links for each day are located at the bottom of the main news story. bob rulz 04:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

International winter storms
Hum! Is international events outside North America will be covered, because it could be tagged for limited geographical scope.JForget 00:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If it ultimately wasn't international in scope, the name of the article would need to be changed. Thegreatdr 01:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would add international events, but unless they're very unusual or extreme events, we don't hear about them here in the U.S. If anyone knows a good place that covers international events, please let us know. It would be great to have them. bob rulz 07:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Another December 8 storm
It didn't exactly snow that much where i live, but it was very windy and icy. School was delayed two hours, and one of the buses broke down, so we had to go all the way across town to pick them up. The last of the students didn't get to school til 11. So, my guess is that I need sources to add this to the article. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 (samtal) 15:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh... Winter Storms in America?
This all seems to be about winter storms in North America... nothing else about the rest of the world. Shouldn't this be retitled to reflect that? Not that I have a beef with Amerocentric articles; I'm Canadian. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not exactly an experienced person when it comes to editing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.57.254.172 (talk) 01:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Find more information overseas! It is tough, as Europe doesn't seem to be getting a lot of storms, and Asia has translation issues. CrazyC83 02:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Unless they're particularly noteworthy, we don't get much information from snowstorms overseas. Europe is suffering through a mid-winter heat wave, as well (along with the eastern U.S.) that certainly isn't helping the situation. bob rulz 04:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it's been pretty bad here in the UK last week and especially today. Storms over night and into today have killed 4 here. - User:Burwellian 14:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Has it produced any kind of frozen precipitation? If it's produced anything significant, even if it's just in the "mountains" (as you Brits call them), then it can be included. bob rulz 23:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it did. Many of the storms mentioned from North America had rain in much of the system as well... CrazyC83 16:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, which is why most of the storms listed recently are from west of the Mississippi River. CrazyC83 22:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * One big winter storm recently hit portions of China last weekend, so we've finally have an Asian storm in this article--JForget 15:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've found an article from a Chinese news agency about a storm in Jordan in late-december - added due to rarity of storms in the Middle East and also due to over 1 000 who were stranded by the storm. I've also heard about a recent storm in Jordan this week, but haven't found an article on that one. If someone found a source, can you relay it to my talk page so I can add the info in this article(or you can also add a text for that storm too in the article). Thanks!--JForget 16:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Page move?
The new title seems quite awkward. Any support for changing it back? - Running On  Brains  23:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See User talk:Nightstallion. – Chacor 07:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of moving it back. It seems like a better naming convention not to start the page title with a number if it's not necessary. - Running  On  Brains  07:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, move it back to Winter storms of 2006-07, similar to Tornadoes of 200X. &mdash;BazookaJoe 01:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Deep Freeze
I know it's not a "storm" per se, but I believe the recent deep freeze in the Upper Midwest and Northeastern U.S. qualifies as severe winter weather in my mind. Some of the coldest temperatures in over 10 years have been occurring, and I've seen one report say 6 people have died alreday. Many schools have also closed based on the cold alone. There has also been moderate lake effect snow activity, on the eastern sides of the Great Lakes, adding to the situation. Should we create a new article or just put a blurb in about it? Abog 06:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely a blurb, but I doubt an article is justified. A cold outbreak like this happens just about every year.  If the cold sticks around for another few weeks, however, a case could be made. - Running  On  Brains  07:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It is nothing unusual, even at a regional level. Maybe if it was at record-breaking levels like 1977... CrazyC83 12:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

confused by the title
why does the article include July to June of next year? why not a 2006 jan to dec article? Another 2007 jan to dec article? Why winter? most of the events shown are in the US. Which part of the US is winter in july? what about southern hemisphere? It is winter for southern hemisphere during july, but, the article doesn't seem to be about the sourthern part. Z3u2 10:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the southern hemisphere has such a small amount of landmass in these polar latitudes, winter storms are much more common in the northern hemisphere. Also, coverage is much more extensive. Therefore, it's easier and more practical to divide it up by the northern hemisphere season rather than just by year. Otherwise we'd have storms occurring in the same winter (again, significant snowstorms are much more common in the northern hemisphere) but covered by two different articles. bob rulz 08:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to mention the possibility of a "bridging" event is much greater on December 31 than on June 30. The tornadoes and severe weather page, on the other hand, works better by calendar year as December and January are generally the least active months for those. CrazyC83 21:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
Are the two April events in this article the same system? Gopher backer 19:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They could be. I didn't notice the sentence mentioning Michigan when I first read the article (which otherwise implies that they're different), and I also don't remember hearing anything about the two being connected on the news (though I swear I heard them say it was a Nor'easter, which would mean it'd have come from the wrong direction entirely), but that's no guarantee either way.  I'm too tired to find any sort of specifics and not misread everything, right now. -Bbik 01:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

=2007=

New storms
I thought that there have been snowstorms in the mountains of the west coast this fall. Am i right, or am i overestimating light snow?

Juliancolton 16:47 19, October 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There have been, it just needs updating; I added an update tag, and I plan to do some updating myself. bob rulz 08:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Any thoughts on external links that would give me information on past and current winter storms, so I could assist in updating this article?Juliancolton 21:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

November 3-4
Well, I've added the winter storm associated with Hurricane Noel that affected portions of Quebec and maybe Maine today (some of you should check the Caribou, Maine NWS for that if there were amounts. Maybe snows in Denver, Colorado prior to the World Series and a winter storm in extreme northern Ontario earlier this week can be added (and Prince George, British Columbia also had quite a bit of snow of the past few days), but I know little about storms elsewhere - maybe there was one in eastern Europe not too long ago, but I have no info, since I've seen last week there was a large area that had snow in the forecast last week.

GFS models have been crazy for the November 11-15 timeline showing one or two (perhaps even three) major winter storms in the Great Lakes over the pass several days. Something to watch here JForget 03:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, and then the GFS has a nor'easter with possible snow as of the 6z run. Go to this website [] which is an accuweather meteorologists blog mostly about the long-range GFS.

Now, about the hurricane noel snowstorm, I think that there is way to much mention about the actual hurricane itself, not about the snowstorm. Juliancolton 14:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

November 30-December 3
Winter storm mode here, already widespread watches in the Midwest and Great Lakes with ice alerts for Missouri and Kansas. Too early to tell if eventually an article will be needed.-- JForget 18:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * An article definitely needs to be made. It's the top story just about everywhere. 400 flights canceled at O'Hare, several airports closed, treacherous roads and lots of accidents in Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin, three people dead, nearly a foot of snow in many areas in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. It looks like an article was made, but then deleted. I think something such as "Early December 2007 winter storm" would be a more appropriate title. I've lived in the Midwest all my life, and I can't remember an ice storm quite as bad as this one. You can't even walk out there. Abog 08:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I will start a user page article for the storm before putting it as a main space article. User:JForget/Early December 2007 North America Winter Storm will be launched shortly. -- JForget 18:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just launched the sub-user page for now, as the impacts have been significant to the Midwest so far with major impacts expected for the Northeast and eastern Canada when this storm will re-intensified later today, I have a 24-photo pose to be emptied, so maybe I could add in the long term a picture or two of the storm in Ottawa.-- JForget 19:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I just created an article:Early December 2007 North American winter storm. It's a start, but probably needs work. Abog 19:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Snow just doesn't stop here, with over a foot in eastern Ontario and I've took some pictures but may take some time before it will appear here if it does as it was not a digital. Also, I had no choice, but both coasts were also affected by major storms during the weekend so I had to add those two new sections pretty much at the same time as the Midwest-Eastern storm. -- JForget 19:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have some pictures that I might add of the storm's affect on Utah. I also plan to add prose on its affects here. bob rulz 07:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

December 9-10 (and beyond?) ice storm
A major ice storm is underway across a large section of the U.S. Could be article worthy. ---CWY2190TC 19:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If there are major effects across several areas like last week's two big storms although it is certainly worth to mention it in this article with the snows in Colorado and the ice further east. Several storms (up to four storms) are expected/forecasted from yesterday to about the 17th or 18th, storms getting stronger and stronger by weeks end and most of them taking the same general path except maybe the last one where the GFS blows one storm off the Atlantic Coast. This may potentially result as a similar article then January 2007 North American ice storm when there was a series of ice and snow storms from Texas to Newfoundland. We may have a similar situation for this week although not sure if the ice will be as destructive and deadly as last year's.

If you fell it is article worthy, you can build a sub-user page and if the series of storms for this week are quite bad, we could build up an article for all those storms.-- JForget 19:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it might be a worthy article, depending on how severe the storm is. I live in New York, and they are predicting a major ice storm for me, so if it is bad, I will be able to see it first-hand.

And now for the 17 GFs storm, it now forecasts the storm cutting up throught the great lakes, but the EURO has a major nor'easter for the 17\18th. Juliancolton (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Five deaths have been reported so far; more ice is still to come. bob rulz (talk) 03:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding my last comment: at my house we got about 0.20 inches of ice. Just thought you might want to know.

And the ice that is still to come is from a different storm, so if it does cause more damage, then should they have two seperate articles? Juliancolton (talk) 13:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

This is definitely gonna be article-worthy. Already 15 deaths and 600,000 customers without power ...and this appears to just be in Oklahoma and Missouri so far. It hasn't even gotten to the heavily populated Great Lakes and Northeast states yet! Abog (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Even if it was from separate storms, the national news stations are not reporting that and they're so close together as to be nearly indistinguishable. This is definitely article-worthy, especially if more ice is still to come. Still not as disastrous as January's ice storm, though. bob rulz (talk) 05:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I say definitely article-worthy (haven't really followed the winter weather until now, and Olga makes it a bit harder now for me) but merge with the first storm as they seem to be a storm sequence. The first storm really set the stage for this mess. CrazyC83 (talk) 05:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What? oh...sorry, I am too busy with Olga, and with the GFS superstorm next week I haven't even thought about this one. Anyway, even thought we are so used to writing hurricane articles, wrting about a winter storm is not nearly as easy as you would think. Especially because there is no official information from NOAA.

Juliancolton (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, they are very difficult to write for when it involves a large area (they are much easier for localized events like the Buffalo storm last fall), since a lot of the information has to come from the media and often it involves a lot of different forms (snow, freezing rain, heavy rain, sometimes severe weather). CrazyC83 (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is anyone started that article yet?, I could do it right away. It already surpasses the number of fatalities from last week's storm (16) in the Midwest and the one in the Pacific (I think it was 12) which also have its own articles. We could include the storms of Sunday, today and Friday and depending on where the blizzard hits Sunday (looks like northern New York, eastern Ontario and southern Quebec according to the GFS), the latter storm may have to be separated. I've noticed that Olga could also play a factor in one or two of the storms, well at least according to Accuweather.-- JForget 16:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Which one, the 17th superstorm? Juliancolton (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Possibly the storm on the 14th but also/or possibly the 17th storm-- JForget 17:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started it here as a sub-user page as I will do some researches to add sources and info User:JForget/Midwestern United States December 2007 ice storm before sending it to mainspace.-- JForget 16:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've transferred it to mainspace now, ABC says the death toll is now 22, 6 more then last weekend's (Dec 1-3) storm and Oklahoma has its worst-ever power outages and Oklahoma and Kansas are under state-wide state of emergencies... with possibly more active weather for the remainder of the week. We can merged all events into this one article JForget  17:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

December 16-17 (Super storm)
Starting up a new talk discussion section, but the GFS shows a big storm for the Northeast with eastern Ontario, southern Quebec abd Northern New England being the target spot. Now, as a discussion debate here if the storm gets serious and the effects are major, should we give it's individual article or merge it with December 2007 North American ice storm?-- JForget 18:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No, write a separate article for the 17th superstorm. Juliancolton (talk) 19:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like a completely separate storm. Could be a big one too. ---CWY2190TC 13:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I think we have to wait to see if the storm actually does anything. I know from experiance that many a snowstorm has just turned to rain. Plus, It depends on weather it taps into Olga. When the storm does develope, then we start working on the article. Juliancolton (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)



December 13-14
What about an article for the thursday the 13th storm. Where I live they are expecting up to a foot, so I don't know if it would make a worthy article. Juliancolton (talk) 13:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There looks to be some areas of ice, although not too bad, but this third system is/will likely not be significant enough for its own article (not as much impact), at least for now... so it should be included in the recently created article even if it could be mostly snow from this system, although there is some mixing today in Oklahoma. If the storm is much bigger then forecasted and that the effects will be as bad as the previous storms since Dec 1. Last January's article included snowstorms as well (the Maritimes, eastern Quebec weather bomb)-- JForget 19:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Western Canadian Prairies and British Colombia
Does anyone had articles on storms that hit Western Canada so far this season, I know there have been several of those which did some extensive wind damage in the BC Coast for example. Maybe the biggest storm in the west should be mentionned here since it did produced heavy snow locally (such as Whistler).-- JForget 19:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Christmas 2007: Round 2?
While this week looks to be relatively quiet, with the exception of the Pacific Northwest, it looks like a major winter storm could be taking place this weekend, particularly on Sunday, December 23, when much of the Midwest, Great Lakes, and Northeast could again see over half a foot of snowfall. Take a look at this map for what we could see on Sunday, and feel free to navigate the other days. Accuweather is usually pretty conservative with their snowfall estimates, so this could mean serious business. Just a head's up for everyone. Another article will likely be needed (once it happens) for this storm or series of storms occurring in late December. Abog (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It says maybe a couple inches. Juliancolton (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, they must have changed it then. Oh well. Abog (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the models are giving mostly rain for the Northeast with the worst of the snow across the western Great Lakes and probably freezing rain (again) for the rest of the Great Lakes although I may be wrong.-- JForget 01:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No, your right. GFS is showing maybe a little bit of snow for parts of the northeast. Juliancolton (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this current storm is going to be needing an article. 5 dead, a blizzard, flooding in the northeast, and up to 85 mph winds forecasted. Juliancolton (talk) 15:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's now up to 8 deaths and close to 200,000 power outages. 150 flights canceled at O'Hare.  Lots of multi-car pileups throughout the Plains states.  A foot of snow over much of MN, WI, and MI.  Not nearly as severe as some of the past storms, but I think it still might be enough to warrant an article, or at least a section here. Abog (talk) 20:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hum, I'm torn up on this one as this one is not as severe then last week's event (which gave as much as nearly 2 feet in parts of Quebec, Ontario and probably some of northern New England as well) which all of those were merged together despite the weekend's storm death toll of 24 (perhaps more since I've stop checking news on WEdnesday) and much significant snowfall to larger areas. However, we can still de-merge the 16th snowstorm if it is required especially with the new WikiProject and we could eventually add this storm and probably others such as the late-February blizzard last year in the Midwest that was prior to the storm responsible of the Alabama/Georgia tornado outbreak.-- JForget 00:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. When should I launch the wikiproject? Juliancolton (talk) 00:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I guess we can always wait and see if this turns out to be article-worthy or not. At this point, maybe not. But the death toll, power outages, and geographic area is likely to expand as time goes on. But in the meantime, a new section on the main "winter storms of 2007-08" article should at least be made. I'm also supportive of splitting the "mid-December 2007 winter storms" article into two separate articles. Abog (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

January 19-20
Wow check out that monster storm for the Northeast for next weekend, the storm this weekend for Massachusetts is nothing compared from what I've seen on the GFS for next Saturday - a 975 mb storm for Ontario and Quebec.-- JForget 19:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The 12z run? Juliancolton (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and check out the one for the 23. Juliancolton (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

January 19-27
The winter storms in central and southern China this week which killed at least 21, (but probably more then that), if this continues like that, may be severe enough to warrant an article even though it is short.-- JForget 18:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

There was a big snowstorm in the Pacific Northwest. shouldn't it be on this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.38.133.190 (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

February 3-12
The GFS has two, three and maybe four nor'easters for this time period, with the most significant on February 10 as a 987 mb nor'easter off the New England coast. Juliancolton (talk) 18:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

middle east storm
I don't have time yet to put something together for this, but if someone wants to there was a signifcant winter storm in the middle east recently. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_snowstorm_1 Gopher backer (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just added a small paragraph on the Jerusalem storm not a lot but some could add some more details on it if the info is available. Apparently, it diverted attention to a report on the Lebanese War that may force Mr. Olmert to resign from his Prime Minister seat.-- JForget 20:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Aaah, storm overload!!
I've officially suffered from a case of winter storm overload. There have been so many storms in the western U.S. over such a short time span over this last week of January that it's difficult to differentiate between them, and it's difficult to find storm totals for separate storms and when certain storms affected different areas. To resolve this, I think I'm just going to combine all of these storms into one single headline in the main section. So many deaths from avalanches, accidents, feet of snow in the Cascades and Sierra Nevada, heavy snows in the Spokane area, snow on the Oregon coast, up to 6 feet of snow in the Sierra Nevada, and of course underreporting of snow in the Intermountain West and Great Basin, and Utah (as always)...it's getting hard to differentiate between this storms and what area was slammed by how much when and what deaths occurred where on what dates...anyway, some help in organizing this would be appreciated. Stories on major websites, local newspapers, and AccuWeather (since they keep archives) are generally the most helpful. Significant work is also needed in trimming down and consolidating a lot of these references. We don't need almost 100 references for this article, especially since it's only the beginning of February. bob rulz (talk) 08:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well additionnal detail about other storms (particularly the one just over a week although itself may be warranted an article)) can be added in the existing article about the early month's storm although it would likely have to be renamed for Jaunary 2008 Western North America winter storms.

As for the numerous references, unfortunately some of them are mentionning only some details while others are mentionning other things and for example CNN articles new and different stuff is added on each article. One thing I've notice from the recent winter storm is that one CNN article mentionned six deaths including those in the southern Plains and then it says 10 the next day without mentionning the fatalities in the South (and it was snow related from this storm). Local news sites can also make mention of storm-related deaths in which the AP or big news agencies have omitted. The AP also does not mention any deaths in Canada so you have to throw Canadian sources as well on top.

Finally, for the snow amounts (and particularly Canada) you have to find like several sources mostly because the EC site doesn't archived special weather statements or pages that shows the storm amounts.

One way to reduce the number of citations is to probably create new articles, which I've did with the China case, as mentionned above probably details of the other storms in California in January and a new article of the past three storms in the East as I've mentionned below. -- JForget 18:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is the problem with the sources; not enough organized information all in the same place to limit the sources, but I'm sure there's some references we could eliminate. bob rulz (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

February 1 ice storm
Whoa, the ice is terrible here is New York state. The tree branches are falling down all over the place, peopel are falling down, cars are crashing, etc. Are we going to need an article for the storm that is affecting Canada and the Eastern US with ice and snow? Juliancolton (talk) 19:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure, the big news sites didn't mentionned this site but it the effects are really bad then maybe an article may be warranted, perhaps as a sequence which would include the ice storm of the Maritimes and the wind storm/severe weather/warm up of the previous storms but unless someone starts it, I don't really it deserves to be individually in an article unless the effects are more significant then what it looks. Also this shot from central Quebec (taken at around 9:00 PM but it will updated soon)looks like a typical supercell thunderstorm with a hook echo in the rear. Presumably, the snow is quite hard there with some mixes in the red.-- JForget 02:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Although, while I will not be the one who will start it, maybe a winter storm sequence article can be made that would include the ice storm in PEI, the blizzard and frigid temperatures in the Canadian Plains and the Dakotas, the derecho/squall line across the Ohio Valley, the wind storm and flash freeze/warmth for the Midwest and Great Lakes and then this snowstorm/ice storm across the same areas.-- JForget 17:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There is not alot of information on the storm, which could make an article difficult. I will try it if I find enough sources an information, though. Juliancolton (talk) 19:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

On Accuweather sources
When linking to accuweather.com sources, please make sure you link to a specific story, and not whatever is current the section's top story, as these change almost daily. Circeus (talk) 00:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

February 5th-6th Storm
11 people have already been killed in AR, TN, and MS by tornaodes and several are injured.

As part of the same storm system, over a foot of snow is forecast across much of Eastern Iowa, Northern Illinois, Southern Wisconsin, and Lower Michigan on February 6th. A separate article may be needed. Just a heads up everyone. Abog (talk) 04:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Units
Please add SI units (cm, km, ..) for the section "February 5th-6th Storm" (among others). I live in Ontario and it's hard for me to read imperial units.--207.112.4.206 (talk) 01:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. ---CWY2190TC 02:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thx.--207.112.4.206 (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Februay 12-14
I've added a bit on the meteorological history of this stom which affected the East Coast, but as I am not very good at impact, could information from these sources,  be added into the article? Thanks. Juliancolton (Talk) 16:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Snowfall in Wisconsin
I'm not sure if this should be mentioned, here, but some places in Wisconsin, specifically Madison, are obliterating their seasonal snowfall records. Madison set their seasonal snowfall record of 77.3 inches on Tuesday, February 12. Now this weekend they're under a winter storm warning again and are expecting 8-12 more inches. This could put them close to 90 inches, with March, one of the snowiest months in the upper midwest, still left to come. Gopher backer (talk) 04:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

March 6-9
This could be a potential article-warrant blizzard with the storm coming up for the next few days, actually currently unfolding in Oklahoma as we speak. There could also be severe weather in the southeast again and major flooding possible along the I-95 with potential ice in the Appalachians and a blizzard from Indiana to Quebec. This may warrant an article of either Blizzard of March 2008, March 2008 North America snowstorm or Nor'easter of March 2008 -- JForget 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I might be away for most of the weekend so probably someone else will have to start the article when needed and somebody will have to keep up to date on the watches and warnings on this page as where I will be there will no computers to work on updates. Right now a lot of major cities may get at least wintery mixes, some with significant icing and others heavy snows and at the extreme an-all out blizzard - which is what we might to call Blizzard of March 2008 or North American Storm Complex of 2008 similar to the 1993 Storm of the Century.-- JForget 01:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to add a question on this storm, but is it the same that slammed into the British Isles today giving those large waves off the coast of Ireland and Scotland. This may be added in the synopsis section of the storm-- JForget 22:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

April 9-12
I've put the Current Storm template considering that blizzard warnings and other widespread winter warnings are in effect for the Plain States especially for Minnesota. Should a tornado outbreak article needed, the winter storm info can be added within it in a separate section.-- JForget 23:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

About Winter storm by season
I think it has to divined Winter storm of Northern Hemisphere(ex:winter storms of 2006-2007)and Winter storm of Southern Hemisphere(ex:winter storms of 2007).218.35.0.44 (talk) 09:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Winter storms worthy of inclusion are fairly rare in the southern hemisphere (at least compared to the Northern), and the two that occurred last year integrated just fine in the page. Circeus (talk) 03:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think so.For example,Tropical cyclone are fairly rare in the southern hemisphere (at least compared to the Northern),but they are departed.(ex:2000 North Indian Ocean cyclone season,1999-00 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season)140.133.6.7 (talk) 07:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved
Sorted! A-OK! Over and out!--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 11:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC) Aborted! A-OK! Over and further out!--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)(UTC)

Good job
I think it's up to speed now, so don't spoil it.--81.100.116.232 (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Split
This article is 120 KB long, more than three times the recommended article size, and has many images. Even split into articles for each calendar year, they will still be long articles. Besides which, the grouping of years, 2005-2007 is entirely arbitrary. dramatic (talk) 02:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It was already split into a sepeate article - which was subsequently nominated for AFD and deleted (mostly as original research) --Errant Tmorton166(Talk) 13:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The 2010 one gose on for about 175Kb!--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The small bit 2005 will be cropped off soon--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC).

It's moved and cropped now!--Its snowing in East Asia (talk) 16:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)