Talk:Glock 19

Glock-19 Generations
The article currently says the following:


 * When the Glock 19 was first introduced in 1990, the Glock 17 had already evolved from Gen1 to Gen2. Rather than taking a step backwards the first generation Glock 19 was therefore equipped with the same features as the Gen2 Glock 17. However, it is common (though technically incorrect) to use the Glock 17 generations to describe the Glock 19 (i.e. calling a Glock 19 generation 2 for a generation 3).

This cannot be correct. First of all, the Glock-19 was introduced in 1988, not 1990. Admittedly, the Glock-17 went to Generation 2 in 1988 as well, but I am positive that I've seen Glock-19s that are Generation 1 (all-around pebbled grip, no serrated front/backstraps) before. They are probably quite rare, but they do exist. I am currently seeking out a photo of one. At the very least, the date should be changed to reflect the fact that the Glock-19 was introduced in 1988. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.227.49 (talk • contribs)
 * Just to note, there is a photo of the early model on Wikipedia already, Image:Glock19 Loaded15.png. -JE 14:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, that's just a standard Glock-19 with Generation 2 styling. However, in the 1990 issue of Gun Digest, I have found a photo of a Glock-19 that clearly has Generation 1 styling of the sort found on the early Glock-17s.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.146.132.101 (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, here is another photo of a Generation 1 Glock-19. As I suspected, they are indeed quite rare, but they do exist: http://www.glockcollectors.com/images/glock19_cutdown.JPG  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.227.49 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

New iraqi Forces
The United states supplied the Iraqi army and police by glock 19 as sidearm along the AK-47. In august 2007 a report indicated that 190000 weapon were lost mostly AK-47 and Glock-19 during 2004-2005 period and there is fear that these weapons were been used against american troops in iraq. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alan Dutch (talk • contribs).


 * Your point? If you're suggesting mention of this in the article, don't.  Most of the world has Glocks.  The gun is totally ubiquitous.  As such, this gun in the hands of X group will never be a surprise.  It is besides not notable for the firearm itself.  —Thernlund (Talk 23:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrong measurement?
All the other compact glock models measure the same except on the glock 19 where the infobox says it's higher by 1 mm. Something is wrong though, because all the compacts say they measure 5" in height, including the 19. --Philip Laurence 06:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Iraqi usage
When I served in Iraq ..couple Iraqi soldiers mentioned to me that barrel some times unstable during firing and the speed of the bullet differ between one shot and other ...--Max Mayr 11:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As I doubt the Iraqis have chronographs handy, I don't see how they could tell the speed of the bullet. Regardless, velocity is dependant on the amount of powder in the cartridge. I have no idea what ammunition is issued to Iraqi troops, but if it's anything like PD surplus FMJ, it isn't top notch stuff and a little variation is to be expected. As for barrel instability, Glocks like many other pistols use the Browning tilting-barrel design. The barrel is supposed to move during firing in order to unlock it from the breechface and allow the slide to travel. In short the Iraqis you talked to were wrong. 70.109.226.159 22:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)