Talk:Gloria von Thurn und Taxis

Name
"Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis" of course stays "Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis" in English, since "Prinzessin" is not a title but simply part of a surname and thus can not be translated. You would not translate Steffi Graf to Steffi Countess, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.18.57 (talk) 08:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree absolutely, as does almost everyone on this Talk page. But there are some snivelling nobility-worshippers among the editors, and they evidently care a lot more than we do and have it n alert and revert it every time we try to insert some sense into this page, so let it ride. Who in the end cares what these ghastly people want to be called. Sartoresartus (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Untitled
"Note regarding personal names: Fürstin is a title, translated as Princess, not a first or middle name. The male form is Fürst." - That is wrong. Fürstin is a former title and nowadays (since about 1918) part of the surname. As a title it would be "Fürstin Gloria von Thurn und Taxis", as part of the surname it is "Gloria Fürstin von Thurn und Taxis". 84.162.87.85 18:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * See below. Sartoresartus (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * A former title is a title nonetheless. She has a title in her surname but is not legally titled. There is a distinction. Charles 18:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Gloria von Thurn und Taxis is not a princess as nobility has been abolished in Germany. Unless anyone disagrees, I will edit this section. cengelha 17 September 2009


 * Note: Her legal name is Gloria Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis, according to her husband Johannes Prinz von Thurn und Taxis. Both never named Fürstin/Fürst von Thurn und Taxis. Both according to german law neither be/been Prinzessin/Prinz nor Fürstin/Fürst. --Elisabeth59 (talk) 06:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * They could have... the much-cited law which forbids special names for the chiefs-of-the-house is only valid for ancient Prussia. I believe Prince Johannes joked that he didn't go to the registration office to change his name because the responsible official is a Social Democrat... Prince Johannes was certainly a Prinz, and according to what you prefer also a Fürst. Princess Gloria was and is, depending on what you prefer, either a Fürstin or a Prinzessin. She certainly was not nothing of this...--217.251.77.17 (talk) 12:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nobility has not been abolished in Germany. The Weimar Republic tried to abolish titles of nobility, which is an entirely different matter.Royalcourtier (talk) 17:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Head of princely House of Thurn and Taxis
Albert is not "nominal head of the former German princely House of Thurn and Taxis according to the traditional rules of the legal affairs committee of the Association of German Nobility". The legal affairs committee of the Association of German Nobility has no power to determine any such thing. He is head of the house accordingly to family law.Royalcourtier (talk) 17:46, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Family law being unenforceable under current German law, the Thurn und Taxis titles are borne and widely acknowledged by tradition, and recognized by the Association of German Nobility which undertakes to monitor such matters, and whose decisions in this field, when published, can be considered reliable sources. We're saying the same thing: the titles are legitimate rather than self-assumed. FactStraight (talk) 18:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The part about the nominal head seems right. Nobody other than these people themselves and the ludicrous organisations that pander to them can care who the nominal head of their family is, so let it stand. We do not, however, agree that the titles are legitimate. They've been abolished. Greece has no king. Sartoresartus (talk) 11:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Greece? We are talking about German (Bavarian) nobility here.. not Greek. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 23:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do try to concentrate. Sartoresartus (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am. You are the one who is off topic. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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Is there any way we can get a more recent photo of her for the infobox? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Much too detailed
Many amendments durign the last day are much too detailed and not fitting for an encyclodedic overview. Might be ok for a 500 pages biography. Since I am not a native speaker, I ask others to condense the content to the relevant points. --Nillurcheier (talk) 08:44, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I was adding information from a biography recently, and reorganizing the article (which was already poorly written). In the next few days I will clean it up and change the tone to be more encyclopedic. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 19:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Category unsourced
Nowhere in the article does it say she herself is a Traditionalist Catholic. There is a passage about her working with them, but the property is not transitive, so we need to establish that she, directly, is Traditionalist as well, in order to maintain the categories. Elizium23 (talk) 05:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Steve Bannon "conservative Traditional Catholic activist"
Steve Bannon might be each of things alone, but he is not a "Traditional Catholic activist". Of course Burke and Vigano are not activists either. --142.163.194.149 (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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