Talk:Glossary of climbing terms/Archive 1

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Anchors
Just noticed that the change of markup i did in Sept broke all the little intra-page definition links, as the individual definitions don't create anchors like subsection headings do. The Help:List does say "Use these real definition lists instead of fake ones" and I feel that the markup is now neater, so one could either replace the anchors there now with links to the letter section the def appears in (e.g. dihedral ), or remove the links (doesn't every browser have a search-in-page feature by now?) and make some indication that a definition of that term appears elsewhere here (by bolding it or something). (And if noone says anything, I'll do the dihedral thing.) Frencheigh 02:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good to me. Lhclayton

I added "send." It has become popular in the twin cities area and even an event was named after it, i.e. "summer send": a small comp at lifetime fitness in plymouth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcsven (talk • contribs) 01:02, June 14, 2006 (UTC)

btw comp is short for competition i didnt see it on there but i dunno if it should be added —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcsven (talk • contribs) 01:05, June 14, 2006 (UTC)

I'm reverting all of those link changes. The definition list is indeed better, and the page structure will remain intact. However, anchors can still be made using a variety of methods. I've gone ahead and added the anchors for A through C using the &lt;span id="anchor name"&gt; method. I will finish the rest of the page later. Please do not revert my changes. Some links will remain broken because I have not gotten to that letter yet, however, all will be working by Monday. If you want to help, you can pick up where I left off. Just follow the format I've used, and replace spaces with underscores (_) for the anchor names; remember to fix anchor links within the definitions as well.

I'm doing this because many other pages link to the glossary and are still linking to the terms, not just the letters. Also, this is more convenient. There's no need to make people use their browser's search function when that's what anchors are there for.--71.104.227.242 (talk) 22:40, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge
This part should be merged with the climbing terminology!!! E.g. missing stuff here should be moved from there and better explained things there should be replaced here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koprinen (talk • contribs) 13:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

wiktionary?
Wouldn't this list be better in wiktionary? To me, it seems a bit out of place in an encyclopedia... Brianski 23:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, I think it is useful in the 'pedia and should stay there Paulthedesertrat (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Ascend Six
I have removed the "Ascend Six" term. I have not heard of it before and a google search did not show any relevant results to confirm it, although I am not saying conclusively that this is not a valid term to appear here. However, the statement about Antarctica not having mountain ranges is entirely false so that's another reason why I'm suspicious of the term.

";Ascend Six : Expresses a climber's goal of ascending the six largest peaks on the six main continents. (Since Antarctica is not considered to have a mountain range, these climbs include: Everest, Aconcagua, Mt. McKinley, Kilimanjaro, Elbrus, and Mt. Kosciuszko.)"

RedWolf 15:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Um if you are going to put "ascend 6" in, you might want to phrase it as the seven summits. I believe its the term you are looking for, inclucing vinson in antartica. In a similar vein there's all the 8,000 meter peaks, and Colorado 40 even (which include many scrambles). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.247.199 (talk) 07:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Clean and other words
At present the article has:
 * Clean :
 * To remove equipment from a route.
 * A route that is free of loose vegetation and rocks.
 * To complete a climb without falling or resting on the rope. Also see redpoint.
 * In aid climbing, abbreviated "C", a route that does not require the use of a hammer or any invasive addition of protection (such as pitons or copperheads) into the rock (see protection).

Should we add that #1 and #2 are often used as verbs much like how Glossary of climbing terms has separate definition lines for the term as a noun and verb? For example, this story uses cleaning as a verb a few times.

Also, are tactics such as chipping and drilling, considered to be part of "cleaning?" Is the placement of bolts or other devices so that a route can be sport climbed considered "cleaning"? I recently read an article where a climber discovered a new two-finger hold on a pitch. When he asked about this he learned the route had been "cleaned".

I noticed that "drilling" is not in the glossary, should it be? The drills seem to be called rock peckers, chisels, etc. and are used to add hand or foot holds and to install anchors.

I'm surprised "Grip" is not in the glossary with the definition including a list of the common grips or holds.
 * '''Cup
 * Friction grip
 * Full crimp grip
 * Half crimp grip
 * Gaston
 * monodoight
 * Open-hand grip
 * Palming
 * Pinch grip
 * Pocket grip
 * Side pull
 * Tendu

"Foothold" is not in the glossary either and would include at least
 * '''Edging
 * '''Smearing
 * '''Smearing

I'd add these to the glossary but am not a climber and don't know what is accurate. Ideally, we point source additions to WP:RS. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 09:17, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Sport vs Trad climbing
I tried to give both styles of climbing as neutral POV as I could, but anyone that has a better understanding of each of these "philosophies" of climbing can probably do a better job than I can. Robogymnast 21:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The article doesn't really articulate how boring and pointless trad climbing is.--109.246.155.161 (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Definition list
This is literally a list of definitions; it should be in definition list format with semicolons, not bolded words:


 * Abalakov thread
 * A type of abseiling point used especially in winter and ice climbing. Also known as V-thread.


 * Ablation zone
 * The area of a glacier where yearly melting meets or exceeds the annual snow fall.


 * Abseil
 * The process by which a climber can descend a fixed rope. Also known as Rappel.

— Omegatron (talk) 03:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Übergrippen
I've removed this. Of the references offered, only one included a definition and that is merely a copy and paste from this article (compare (April 2014) vs  (June 2013). For this reason, I would also suggest that winterclimb.com is an unreliable circular source ). I couldn't find anything else to verify this. The climbing gym in Denver uses the same definition from here, and is from even later (see from September 2015). If anyone else can find a source (one that that predates June 2013, or something that doesn't just recycle that same sentence), feel free to readd.. Nzd  (talk)  13:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

"Lolotte" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lolotte. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 5 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pichpich (talk) 23:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

November 2003
This page is far from complete, but I'm kind of bored of it now. So far I've concentrated on (sport) climbing, so maybe one of the mountaineers around here can add the glossary items that I'm not qualified to do myself. Stewart Adcock 04:48, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

BOMBER
fall safe protection, very safe protection

Climbing technique
Anyone have a better, less-cyclic, definition for "climbing technique"? Stewart Adcock 05:58, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

crux
"Crux: The most difficult portion of a climb, usually near the top." Really? in my experience that's definitely not the usual case! (even without factoring out my lack of stamina ;) ) Stewart Adcock 04:29, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Well, when it comes to scrambling routes, it always seems to be the case! It's definitely never at the bottom. :-) I guess I could clarify that by adding something like:
 * For scramblers, this always seems to be near the top.


 * RedWolf 05:34, Dec 2, 2003 (UTC)


 * On further reflection, it's probably best if the phrase is just removed. Whomever next edits the page can remove it. RedWolf 07:19, Dec 2, 2003 (UTC)

Page moved
I just moved this page here (i.e., a rename) to fit more closely with Wikipedia convention (see Category:Lists of terms). I will come back later today to fix all the redirects. - dcljr 19:11, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I really don't like the new name. Unlike most other list articles, links within the glossary are referred to by other articles. This should have been discussed before the page move was done. RedWolf 03:59, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am neutral on the page move, except that when I check "what links here", it appears that dcljr did not go back and fix all the links to the page. This needs to be remedied. Kevyn 13:22, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. On September 14th, as advertized, I changed all the links except those on user and talk pages. See? - dcljr 19:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Other terms...
Some other terms for holds I've heard that may or may not be actual rock climbing terms are:


 * Turtle - a hold that looks like the back of a turtle shell, with little or no concavity to get your fingers into. Holding one of these is like palming a basketball.


 * Nub - a teeny little hold that only a few fingers can grip, or the tips of the toes.

I don't know if these are in common use, in fact I think the turtle was made up by a little kid, but they seem very descriptive. --Ignignot 16:12, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)


 * I have heard "Nub", but have never heard "Turtle." There are undoubtedly regional and national differences in terminology, all of which should be reflected in a glossary. Regardless, we should, ahem, treat this like any real article and use sources. Or consensus. ;) Cheers, -Willmcw 10:41, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Slab
Slab is a "a less-than-vertical rock face or surface" see wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab The definition in the present article is wrong, to my knowledge. Emmanuel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.217.54.88 (talk • contribs) 07:02, February 21, 2006 (UTC)

Merger discussion
Request received to merge articles: Index of climbing topics into Glossary of climbing terms; dated: March 2023. Proposer's Rationale: The Index is really a quasi-glossary (mostly re-directed to the Glossary); almost all of the Index "topics" are entries in the Glossary. The Index also seems to be abandoned, while the Glossary is in good condition. Discuss here. 78.16.238.146 (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. I have merged any relevant term from the Index into the Glossary. The Index has some terms that I would have otherwise deleted as they are not really climbing terms and/or are tangential to the concept of an Index. Aszx5000 (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)