Talk:Gloucester/Archive 1

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According to the conventions, all English articles should refer to the UK; if it's true for Cornwall, it's also true for England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. user:sjc

I wouldn't say that it was in the south-west either. Devon, Somerset, Avon and Dorset, maybe, but Gloucester????? It's more in the Midlands... user:sjc<>br>


 * I've lived in Bristol for 62 years and, to me, Gloucester is in the South West (just). I don't know the formal definition of the South West (if there is one) but to say that Gloucester is in the Midlands simply doesn't sound right. If someone living in Gloucester reads this, they can tell us!! Arpingstone 20:49 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)

I live in Gloucester and I consider it part of the South West. However, we get local news from both the South West and the Midlands depending on which channel we watch. Bazwerth —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I would regard it as neither. It is just the west of England not the south west or the midlands.Grumpy Jack (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's an emotive old issue, but Glos is definitely in the administrative/European South West Region. I think this is the only objectively verifiable measure, even though it's not universally liked.  It's crosses the border of the BBC's (and probably other broadcasting) South West services.  More subjectively, Gloucester folk seem to display more cultural allegiance to the south west than they do to the midlands (far more likely to talk about Bristol than Birimingham, for example).  The Western Daily Press is popular whereas I don't think I've ever seen a Birmingham Post in Glos.  Personally as a midlander I see Tewkesbury and everything south and west of it as South West.  But I don't differentiate South West from West Country, so maybe that's my problem.  Either way, "South West" is easy for non-Brits to understand so I think it should stay. Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 22:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Table- Census
I have added a few facts to the page with sources, however, while reading through the disscussion page, I noticed, that to increase the page's rating, a census was needed. So i surfed the internet found one, but I don't know haw to set it out. Can someone help please? 82.33.125.160 (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Gloucester Flag
I heard a while back that Gloucester has a flag, which was the city's coat of arms on a bluebackground, but I've never seen it. I've lived in Gloucester since birth and have never seen it.

Is this flag mythical, in hiding or not yet produced?


 * I did a search and the only flag I could find that was related to gloucester was red and yellow. Go here if you want to see it. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.worldofflags.co.uk/media/gbu0/prodsm/gloucester.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.worldofflags.co.uk/index.php%3Fapp%3Dgbu0%26ns%3Dprodidx%26ref%3DG&h=84&w=140&sz=7&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=T4J0gW8pEw9GJM:&tbnh=56&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgloucester%2Bflag%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den#
 * I imagine the flag you're talking about is mythical. Like you, I was born in gloucester and hasn't moved away, in my time here, I've never seen it.82.46.73.110 (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a competition to design a flag. It was organised by the Sheriff of Gloucester.  It's not been adopted and can't be said to be in any way official.  It probably should not be included here until it has some real formal recognised status. Jjasi (talk) 09:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The article gives the IPA for the name as [ˈglɒstə]. Is Gloucester therefore in a non-rhotic part of Gloucestershire? Man vyi 14:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We are all Estuary speakers now. - mholland 02:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But South Gloucestershire is quite strongly rhotic! Scibah 09:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think mholland jests - no-one growing up in any part of Gloucestershire to my knowledge speaks Estuary English - unless we're talking about the Severn Estuary here! Even as far north as Tewkesbury the prevailing accent would be identified by anyone from another English region as sounding distinctly West Country. The main exception is RP spoken amongst the privately educated. Nonetheless the pronunciation of Gloucester as [ˈglɒstə] looks right to my untrained eye.  Behind The Wall Of Sleep 13:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Privately educated? I'm Gloucestrian through and through, educated at the Crypt, but I speak with an RP accent. However, [ˈglɒstə] is definitely right. I agree that the local accent is rhotic. 77.99.233.169 17:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair point, now you mention it I realise the Patesians I know seem to talk RP also. I should have said something like "privately or grammar educated".  The point I was trying to make (which I think we all more or less agree on) is that the local accent is rhotic in Gloucester, and Gloucestershire generally.  Like everywhere in England quite a few people speak with an RP accent, and this reflects  educational environment rather than locale.  I'm banging on about this so readers new to all things Glos don't turn up expecting us to all talk like Cockney geezers.  I can't address Man vyi's original query though, how come both rhotic and [ˈglɒstə].  But that is how they say it, mind. Behind The Wall Of Sleep 09:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, totally 77.99.233.169 03:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In any case the rhotic pronunciation is now given in the IPA. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 18:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good article status, for this article
Anyone able to make this into a good article?? Comments would be appreciated! --SunStar Nettalk 23:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Sports and Leisure Section
Do you think it would be better if this was increased to include all sports in Gloucester and add some detail about gloucester rugby and football? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.150.158.175 (talk) 18:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Anyone know if this alleged Esporta in Brockworth is the same as Brockworth Sports Centre? (see TBC web site here) ? Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 17:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit late (!) but I'll answer just in case: Brockworth Sports Centre is at Brockworth Comp/Enterprise School. Esporta is on the business park and there's nothing alleged about it - it exists. :) Cheers. Alex McKee (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Cultural item
I note that both Worcester & Hereford get a line or two regarding the Three Choirs Festival, but Gloucester does not. I think it definitely ought to; where should this go? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 18:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added some stuff (plagarised from the Hereford page) as a start. Jjasi 07:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

cdfwvb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.7.155 (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

County Map
this map is (possibly) in error. it shows the old gloucestershire county boundary prior to 1974. the southern most area was removed from the county to form the county of avon (the area surrounding bristol). it is now the administrative area known as south gloucesterhire which is a separate unitary authority created when avon was disbanded in 1996. inline with this the southern division of gloucestershire constabularly, gloucestershire ambulance service, gloucestershire fire and rescue, and other county based services were transfered to the the county of avon; the southern division now being the north avon area of the county of avon. all uk maps are now draw with gloucestershire represented without the southern most area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.98.222 (talk) 23:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Districts of Gloucester
Cities such as Newport have detailed articles for each of it's suburbs and villages. Gloucester presently only has a few stubs and one detailed article, Hucclecote. If anyone would like to give me a hand in improving the articles about Gloucester's suburbs, please take a look at the category talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Districts_of_Gloucester Thanks Arawn 03:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If we do can I suggest we delineate on the basis of the local authority defined wards rather than the non-specific general area (as that can then lead to arguments over whether a particular steet/building/feature/park etc. is in a particular named area or not)? Jjasi 11:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be my favoured general approach too. Arawn 01:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree also, in principle at least. I will comment further over at the category talk page. Behind The Wall Of Sleep 20:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I disagree very strongly with describing the districts of Gloucester in electoral ward terms. They are two very different things. People associate themselves with the locality in which they live: if it's an urban area then it's the suburb in which they live. Without any evidence I would say that most people refer to the suburb they live in rather than the name of the electoral ward or constituency in which they live. For example, would people of Bristol say they come from Clifton or 'Bristol West'? Do the people of Abingdon say they come from Abingdon or 'Oxford West and Abingdon'? I live in Abbeymead, not Abbey! My point is that areas formed for electoral (or statistical) reasons are not accurate reflections of identity. (Tastyfish)


 * I'm not disagreeing with listing electoral wards - I think this is extremely useful - I just don't think they are a substitute for describing where people live. Some may say that clearly identifying the boundary is difficult. But this is all part of the debate and discussion that people can have. With regard to Abbeymead, it's VERY obvious where Abbeymead starts and ends! So, I would suggest having two lists as they are two different things. I am happy to add articles to both and help with anything as I am quite passionate about Gloucester. Tastyfish (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, can i suggest we use this map : [] to kick start the districts project, and then build it from there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.63.125 (talk) 23:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is an excellent map and could be usefully linked from the Gloucester article. Re: the districts, I will link it from the the category talk page. Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 10:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition to the map i suggester earlier, can i suggest this one: []. You will need to download the PDF file. In combination with the social housing map, i feel we will have a better idea of the districts to include, and exactly where they are in relation to each other within the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.53.147 (talk) 23:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear all, I notice that the link for the Gloucester district of St. Pauls links to St. Paul's Cathedral.  Whilst I am not a resident of Gloucester I am sure this is not the intention!  Could someone who lives in the city identify a more appropriate page for this to link to?  Cheers, Hereward.Mills (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Gloucester Liberal Democrats
OK we've got a few spurious external links gathering dust at the bottom of this page but this one caught my eye. Is there a specific reason that the local lib dems' web site is appropriate to an encyclopaedia? I thought promoting specific political parties was a no-no here. Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed! Alex McKee (talk) 00:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The Golden Valley Bypass
This stretch of the A40 is known locally as the above. But does anyone know why? Is it anything to do with the Golden Valley nr Stroud? I can't see how this road bypasses the River Frome. The road it does bypass (through Staverton, Gloucestershire and Churchdown) seems to be quite flat, and an unlikely valley. Any ideas? Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/SO9022. A river runs through it, which makes it a valley of sorts. William Avery (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks William Avery, I can't tell you how long that had puzzled me, but I never thought to check the OS map! I've added this Golden Valley to the dab page at Golden Valley. Behind The Wall Of Sleep (talk) 18:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the Golden bit is a reference to wheatgrowing. 82.46.69.166 (talk) 01:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Under "Anglo-Saxon Times"
Even though the name would likely have been given the folk-etymology of being derived from "Glow," (gléaw), any actual consideration of the matter reveals that it must simply be derived from the Roman name, (Glevum, pronounced GLAY-WUM). That should probably be added to the article, or something.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.1.252 (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's your "consideration of the matter" then unless you are a recognised authority on the subject and can cite your sources that lead you to this conclusion that's exactly why it should not be added to the article. No original research is the rule.  Everything should be verifiable from external reliable sources. Yes, there is a lot on Wikipedia, this page included, which clearly is original research or uncited/unverified but that's no reason to allow the addition of more, rather a reason to remove such material. Jjasi (talk) 07:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Borough, Town, City?
Several charters are mentioned, but the article doesn't say which of them made Gloucester into a city rather than a borough. Does anyone know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.154.153 (talk) 06:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1541. Jjasi (talk) 07:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Marketing style
Does anyone else feel that mentioning what shops can be found in The Mall and the Peel Centre is a little unnecessary? I hardly think it's important to know that Gloucester has an H&M or a Hobbycraft. Pretender (talk) 21:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I wrote the initial expansion for this section back in July 2009. Get a second opinion and delete as required is my recommendation :) Angelstorm (talk) 00:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A sensible sugestion. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a shopping guide, bsides which, it's volatile information. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Done Angelstorm (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * But the article really should at least mention Gloucester Quays (and/or that link should turn blue). I'm meaning the development thereof, of course, not a list of shops! --kingboyk (talk) 13:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed it should, the centre had quite a lot of media coverage when it opened and is a good example of industrial regeneration. WP:BOLD - so write the article! --Bob Re-born (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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History
According to this WIkipedia article, nothing happened in Gloucester between 1643 and 1994. Would anyone care to expand the history section? --Bob Re-born (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

It's true, nothing happened. 206.132.97.4 (talk) 13:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC)