Talk:Gmail/Archive 2

Gmail in Germany
Just added a part about Gmail in Germany. My English is not that good. Can anybody take a look at what I wrote?


 * I looked at that part and I saw that it is not totally correct. Giersch didn't register the name "Gmail", but the trademark "G-mail ... und die Post geht richtig ab" as a whole.

New features
There are now some new features in Gmail that should be added to the page. More information can be found from Gmail Help Center d2s 20:23, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

new images
i put some new images of gmail in a tarball here, just chop off the ogg extension i inserted to get around the upload limit. -- Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   23:13, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

DomainKeys
Gmail is the first major provider to sign outgoing mails with Yahoo!'s DomainKeys signatures.

So does that mean that Gmail beat Yahoo in using these DomainKeys, or should ''after Yahoo! themselves'' be added to the sentence?--Lucky13pjn 02:06, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't think Yahoo is using them, also, I don't think it's been confirmed (officially) that Gmail is using them, but I could be wrong. Dori | Talk 02:07, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * I believe GMail is using them since I see DomainKeys headers in email I receive from Gmail accountsNikita Borisov 21:45, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Gmail POP3
Just reading on the help page of my Gmail account, and POP3 access was just announced...

POP access is free for all Gmail users and we have no plans to charge. Over the next several weeks, we are introducing POP access to all of our users. To make sure the feature is fully stable, we're giving users access to POP in phases. Once POP access is available to you, a 'New Features!' link appears at the top of your account, along with a 'Forwarding and POP' tab on your 'Settings' page.

It is beeing enabled for all the users (according to Google) it will take a while. It works for me and a couple of friends... --Matteo 08:42, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC)

Invites
I will give one invite to the first Wikipedia user with more than 50 edits to leave a message on my talk page.--Honeycake18:02, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New ones:
 * https://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-6e6b1db5af-b6db6f1b4d-fcee432502
 * https://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-6e6b1db5af-00a4480586-ba27c9c2b5
 * https://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-6e6b1db5af-3456e8798a-b0b6c46c99
 * https://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-6e6b1db5af-f5a1d831bc-bf8bff3979

Dori | Talk 03:35, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

I have six invites available. Drop an email. --Lucky13pjn 18:35, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Gave em away to an automatic invite distributor since nobody wanted them.--Lucky13pjn 22:01, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

I have 4 invitation to give. Like Dori, I will strike out this line once all of them are sent. -- Taku 16:30, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)


 * I have five. Leave me a message on my talk page if you want one... &mdash; Oven Fresh ☺  19:04, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I have one to go to anyone who created a 250+ word article about any arts or entertainment topic in the last two months. Drop by my talk page and tell me what it is. --  user:zanimum
 * Okay, to anybody, no matter what. --  user:zanimum

____

Wikipedia is not a chatroom or discussion forum.

Please make use of Wikipedia and use one of the sites listed to trade invites.--Theaterfreak64 03:44, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a talk page, it doesn't hurt anybody. Dori | Talk 04:17, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

unfounded???
"because of both its close proximity to April 1, 2004 and the 1 gigabyte limit of storage space. The former was unfounded and false; the latter went on".

I'm pretty sure that March 31st actually is pretty close to April fools day. To say that this statement if false is just nuts. -Lethe | Talk

---

Hey Lethe:

I created that sentence that you are referring to. For reference, here is the full entry:

"There was speculation that this announcement was an April Fool's joke, however, because of both its close proximity to April 1, 2004 and the 1 gigabyte limit of storage space. The former was unfounded and false; the latter went on to spur competition with other webmail providers."

I originally meant that the 'former' (speculation that GMail was an Apri Fool's Joke) turned out to be unfounded and not true; I didn't mean to state that March 31st is not in close proximity to April 1st. I agree with your revision though, and I think it's a better sentence than mine.

Rajiv Varma


 * Hm, OK, perhaps I was a bit hasty and harsh to call the sentence nutty, now that I see what it was supposed to mean. Even when I see what the original sentence was supposed to mean, I have some complaints, so I'm glad you like the new sentence better. Of course, feel free to make any improvements.  -Lethe | Talk 09:58, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

Up to 50 Invites?!?!
I, and a lot of other GMail users on the Gamefaqs message boards just got uped to 50 invites!

I'm going to post 10 on my user page, and it's first come, first serve!


 * There's speculation that this means they're almost ready to go public; the Google results are illuminating. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 09:27, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Great, just great! I send out about 12 of my 50, and just now, GMail bumps me back up to 50... GMails getting real crazy here. Send EMail to tconxi@gmail.com if you want one. --- T ConX

50 available

Big mailbox trends
Is it worth while listing competitors who offer large mailboxes? Is there any major competitors who still offer < (say) 20mb?--Will2k 04:53, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Mentioning this again so I can catch anyone who may have missed the above before. I will assume that no response implies the section is set to be drastically reduced.--Will2k 05:01, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are: Hotmail. I can hear you saying "but Hotmail offers its members 250MB". Well, it may offer some of its members (an elite few, I would say) those 250MB, but most of us still have the initial 2MB. So I think it does count as a major competitor without a large mailbox. --Fibonacci 23:27, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Attatchment extensions
I think it might be worth adding to the article that GMail will not allow people to attach .exe or .dll to e-mails. And they even scan zip files for these extensions.

Whereas other e-mail services will scan the files for viruses themselves. I'm an avid GMail user, but also a programmer, and the disallowing of exe and dll has been somewhat of an annoyance. - Ferretgames 14:16, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Also .mdb(Microsoft Access Database) files. --ElfWord 06:53, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * And mp3 files? Lethe | Talk


 * Oh yeah, I forgot about mdb. I'm pretty sure it does allow mp3 though. - Ferretgames 08:09, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * mp3's are allowed. I mailed myself a few a couple weeks ago without problem.--Lucky13pjn 12:55, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Can you just encrypt the file? I don't think they would bother to decipher it. -- Taku 18:31, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * What about simply renaming the file extension for transmission? Or does it identify the file type? TimothyPilgrim 15:38, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * I hear your concern, but an inconvenience for a small set of programmers is a small price to pay for the inconvenience it will cost thousands of more (idiot) users. Would be nice to set filtering exe, pif, bat, etc on by default and allow it to be disabled on a user by user basis--Will2k 05:04, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

scam attempt
Has this obvious scam attempt turned up anywhere else? (I've already notified gmail-abuse@google.com about it, so I imagine the account will be shut down soon.) If so, maybe we ought to report it in the article. &mdash;Charles P. (Mirv) 03:31, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Moving keyboard shortcuts & webmail services list
I'm cleaning up this article right now (I probably will be for the next few days). Would anyone object to my moving the list of keyboard shortcuts to a new article and putting the list of other webmail servies somewhere else? Starwiz

Everyone gets an account?
I just got an email this morning from the Gmail Team. Because I signed up in April to be "updated on the latest Gmail happenings" I got sent an invitation from the Gmail Team. Does this mean everybody who signed up is getting an invitation? - sik0fewl 16:06, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I also received a similar invitation thanks to entering my email address to be updated. Means I have 51 to give away now. - Lucky13pjn 17:40, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I recieved two invites from The Gmail Team. One of them was to my Hotmail account which I thought blocked them. What's even more weird is I didn't use my Hotmail account as a secondary e-mail when I signed up for Gmail. BRO_co03 15:51, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * I wonder - did you send yourself a test email to/from the hotmail account from/to gmail? I.e. is your hotmail account in your gmail address book? If that's the case, maybe they're trawling through everyone's address books to generate invites. --  16:51, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah I do have my Hotmail address in my Gmail contacts. That's probably how they got it. --BRO_co03 20:24, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Going public
does anyone think that Google will never really make Gmail "public" but spreading it on the invite basis, so that no bogus spam accounts are created, everyone will invite more people, who will in turn invite more, and so on. Wikipedian231 13:08, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * How will that stop spam accounts? Right now, I can give myself 50 additional addresses, and then 50 more apiece from each of those. Yes, it's traceable, but suddenly, I've got an unlimited number of email accounts all for myself. TimothyPilgrim 17:32, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

How long has it been since Gmail went "BETA" anyway? Mfarquhar 06:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence
What up with this sentence? ''While this is still the case, most Gmail users have multiple invites to spare, as Google has lately been giving quite a few of these out. Invites can be obtained at''. I don't really know what's supposed to be after the cutoff, otherwise I would fix it. Someone who knows please do Preisler 18:10, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Google Gone Wild
If any one has checked out http://gmail.google.com you will see that Google seems to be out of control and is increasing their storage amount gradually. Since it's April 1st does anyone think this is another hoax like their Moon base, or is it real like Gmail? --BRO_co03 15:52, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * In what's becoming Gmail tradition, it's a joke, and it's real. ;) They are really moving to 2 GB for all accounts. http://www.google.com/gmail/help/whatsnew.html
 * Excellent! I like that little counter that they have going at the login page. I think it is supposed to stop sometime around 8:00 am tomorrow. --BRO_co03 21:36, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * The counter will stop at 2075M on 9:00 AM, April 9. Try change the time setting of your computer. The number on the counter changes accordingly... Zikari 01:59, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Scrap that idea! OMG, this is out of control! --  user:zanimum
 * It seems that, at the current rate, Gmail will hit 3000 MB on New Year's Day.

How many users on gmail
Greetings: Where can I find statistics pertaining to the number of users currently on gmail network?

142.106.62.76 19:06, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

verbiage from article
I timed the 4th digit after the decimal place and it seems to increase by one every 3 seconds. Assuming that there is 1000 kilo byes in a megabyte, the 4th digit represents 0.1 of a kilobyte or 100 bytes every three seconds, therefore my conclusion of 33.3 bytes per second.

I know this is the most inprecise way to do it. I am sure some aspiring mathematician will use the proper definition of how many kilobyes in a megabyte and the same for the bytes in a kilobyte (something to do with base 2, go wiki it) and do a better job on measuring the rate of change as well.

So some preliminary conclusions based on the 33.3 bytes per second

1) Every Day:  2.877MB 2) Every Week:  20.1398MB 3) Every Month: 80.5MB 4) Every Year: 966.712MB

Note: all these are very approximate.


 * The JavaScript on the login page puts the capacity at 2450 megabytes on midnight, August 1, 2005, and 2550 on midnight, September 1, 2005. The JavaScript figures out what the capacity should be right now, based on the current time and a constant linear rate. Assuming Google keeps that pace, and assuming that representation is reflected in the real capacity, it's increasing at 100MB each month. Exactly. Jtamboli

isnoop gone?
is it just temporary or did the isnoop spooler stop for good. as i write this, i cant get to isnoop.net. hopefully it is temporary.

i also heard that yahoo and hotmail are starting to block invites.

Yea isnoop is gone. Also yahoo and hotmail can't outright block the email but they read them as spam and put them in to trash files

competition
I moved most of the "competition" section to the Webmail article. be bold and all that. --DavidCary 14:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

plus (+)
The majority of email services support the plussed-user plus-sign addressing technique. So rather than discuss it only in the Gmail article (or worse, re-hash the discussion in the article for each email service provider), could we make a separate article for it ? What would be a good name for the article ? I imagine we'll have several redirects, since I've seen it called variously: --DavidCary 14:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * "Plus-Addressing"
 * "plus sign technique" ( http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpamMail )
 * "plussed user" ( http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/24/22222/2368 )

I briefly mentioned it at E-mail address. Please discuss the technique there until that section ( E-mail_address ) gets big enough to split into its own article. --DavidCary 19:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Plus-addressing

 * Gmail also supports "plus-addressing" of emails. Messages can be sent to addresses in the form: gmail.user+extratext@gmail.com where extratext can be any string. (...) Plus-addressing even works when sending email from a Gmail account to itself.

Does that work for every one here? I have tried it, and does not work properly - I sent a message to myself using plus-addressing (with a two-letter extratext, by the way), and it did not arrive until I sent another message to myself without plus-addressing. I sent then another message to the first address (+extratext), about half an hour ago, and I'm still waiting for it to arrive. Does anyone else have this problem? --Fibonacci 23:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I do. -Ross
 * Hi Fib and Ross, from what I've read, plus addressing is problematic when sending to yourself (your gmail address to the same one but with plus addressing). Try using plus-addressing from a different address and see what happens.--Will2k 04:07, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

...in fact, sending emails to your gmail account from your gmail address (even using a software (and not web) email client) is a problematic issue. The emails will be in the "sent" box, but not appear in the inbox at all. Don't know yet whether I think that's a bug or a feature... --Krueschan 13:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I can send emails to my own account without a single problem, and they do appear on the inbox - that is, except when I use plus-addressing. --Fibonacci 00:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Multi-language support picture: Unicode
Is anyone able to identify the language in the picture that demonstrates Gmail's multi-language support? We should label it properly, and change the name of the image from "gmail.jpg" to something a little more descriptive. Starwiz 00:41, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)


 * It's Japanese. --Pmsyyz 02:02, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Duh; I should have checked the description. In any case, it's all fixed now: New filename, new description.

It would be really nifty to have several different languages in the screenshot. Also, consider using .png PNG for screenshots, to get better quality than .jpg JPEG).

Does Gmail handle Unicode properly ? Unicode and Email. I've heard rumors that the "subject" lines sometimes get messed up, but I don't know how to verify. --DavidCary 17:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * For me, I sended thousands of Japanese emails, and received thousands as well, it supports Japanese characters perfectly, so there should be no problems with subejcts lines. It's probably your computer don't have the support. --Yamamoto Ichiro 8 July 2005 03:29 (UTC)

Giant advert for Gmail and Google
I think this article is too long and too in depth. It doesn't need to be. It reads like one gigantic advert for Gmail and presents it though all issues surrounding the service have been unanimously settled.

It needs to be much shorter and sharper, demonstrating a clear, descriptive neutrality, not one long feature set.

Cool


 * Remember, Wikipedia is not paper. It is fine for articles to be quite long.  But please feel free to correct any POV bits you see. --Pmsyyz

I can confirm that it messes up the subject lines when sending gmail to yahoo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.231.90 (talk • contribs) 04:44 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Spam
There is a comment about independent studies from May 2004 but no reference. Is this verifiable? Trödel| talk 14:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I doubt that it is. Personally, I would grade Gmail's spam filter of being 98% accurate, because it is very rare that I get spam in the inbox, or normal messages in the spam folder.
 * EliasAlucard|Talk 17:29, 27 May, 2005 (UTC)

I removed the offending sentence. -- Mystman666 (Talk) 14:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Free Gmail Promo is down, but may be back again
I noticed the free Gmail Promo when you type "gmail" in Google's search bar is gone. See here. It may come back, however, so but don't be upset. I actually noticed my edit about the promo when i searched for "Gmail wikipedia" in Google's Web Search, so they may have gotten wise to it and shut it off. Anyway, don't forgot about the Free Gmail accounts project for non-robots and non-evil non-corporations project from User:RobKohr. (My name, not his.) 8^) I was already going to make a similar page myself, but since he already made one, why not use his? Also, if you really need an account, walk onto the campus of any technical college (or regular college even) in the United States and ask random students to give you an invite. I bet atleast one out of every three students will have a Gmail account. Trust me on this one. ;^) -Hyad 05:53, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * I release now that free Gmail promo appears only on random IP addresses when you search for "gmail" on google. It was on my computer for a few days before it went away. For example, it was on my home computer from July 11 (but probably earlier) to July 15 and now it's gone. However, when I log onto this remote Unix machine using Cygwin/X, the promo does appear in Firefox. Don't think that by searching for "gmail" 1000 times improves your odds by 1000. Once you see the promo, it's going to still be there the next time you search for "gmail" (atleast for a few days anyway). Also, the browser you're using doesn't matter either. In the mean time, if you're still one of those people who doesn't have Gmail, and the promo doesn't appear with this link, you can now go to bytetest.com. They are giving away free Gmail accounts just like Isnoop.net was doing (atleast until they run out or get shut down). -Hyad 22:09, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Inviting others
I just got Gmail. How long does it take to be able to invite others? ‡  Jarlaxle   23:54, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Instantly! Open your mail by going to gmail.google.com. Log in, then look on the left hand side. You'll see "Inbox", "Labels", and "Invite a friend". You know that last one, well enter the person's email address into the box and add click "Send Invite" and, bingo, you're done! I think the image to the right (or above depending on your resolution) might help. You get 50 invites, but i think they "refill" after a while, or so I've heard. BTW, anyone want to update this Gmail picture here. A newer version with the "Invite a friend" heading included might be better. -Hyad 03:28, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hyad, I've taken care of that. Sorry for taking so long :) EliasAlucard|Talk 15:23, 29 Aug, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but for me, the "Invite a friend" box isn't included for some reason. The page that I get looks exactly like this one, except on the bottom, mine is copyrighted 2005 instead of 2004.   ‡   Jarlaxle   21:23, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * D'oh! It talks about it here. That really sucks.   ‡   Jarlaxle   03:03, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't realize that. I just checked. I have 3 gmail accounts that I signed up for back in April 2005. With 2 of them, my main one, and my other email account, Gmail gave me 50 invites each. But with my third one, they didn't give me any, just like yours. I think they are "randomly distributed" based on how much space they have free on their servers. So if they are running out of space, they may not be giving too many people the 50 invites. But the longer you have your gmail account, the more likely you are to get randomly chosen to give invites. That's why I've heard of people's invites being "refilled" back to 50 - they were randomly selected twice. For now, if you are reading this and you have 50 invites, but want more, I'd suggest inviting yourself to a few new accounts and until you get one with another 50 invites. I have created a tally (see below) to see what percentage of people have invites or no invites.-Hyad 03:50, July 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * I dont think invites are no longer given out because gmail has now got a link on the hompage which you can just sign up without invites or texting -samaster1991

50 Invites or No Invites Tally
This is just a relatively unscientific tally to see approximately what percentage of people have got 50 Gmail invites to give or no Gmail invites to give (see the section above). Put a "1" down if you have started with 50 invites next to "50 Invites" and put "1" next to "No Invites" if you have no invites to give. I have 3 Gmail accounts, 2 with 50 invites, 1 with no invites; they are marked below. If you got 50 invites, but used some or even all of them up, you still put a "1" next to "50 Invites". If you do not have a Gmail account, do not mark anything - here's how to get one one, follow this link. -Hyad 03:50, July 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * 50 Invites:XRR11
 * No Invites:11X

Notes:
 * If you start off with no invites and then get randomly selected to give 50 invites and already put a "1" down next to "No Invites" - erase your "1" next to "No Invites" and put an "X" in it's place; then put a "1" next to "50 Invites".
 * If you know you started off with no invites and then got randomly selected to give 50 invites and haven't put anything down so far, put an "X" next to "No Invites" and and "1" next to "50 Invites". It's just like above, except you aren't erasing anything.
 * If your account was refilled back to 50 invites, in addition to the initial "1" next to "50 Invites", add the letter "R" next to the "50 Invites" for each time your account was refilled.

I started my Gmail account on May 13, 2005 with no invites and got 50 invites on May 28, 2005. Furthermore, I got a refill in early- or mid-July 2005. How many days did other people wait before they got 50 invites? - Mhwu 06:08, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I used 7 of my 50 invites on July 15, 2005. I noticed them refilled on July 23, 2005. So that's 8 days - pretty quick. By the way, the account I still don't have any invites in only has one email in the Inbox. Perhaps they give your invites or refill them based (in part) on how much you use your account. They said it's "random" - I'm not totally sure on that. -Hyad 07:00, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I got 100 invites and I have only used like 5 of them since I got it. Gmail is terribly slow recently and cannot be accessed using Thunderbird. Wonder is it that they need more bandwidth or something?-- antilived 10:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I started with 0 invites. Then I got 5 after a while.  I was then given 50.  I've used some and I've been refilled. Not sure how I should vote:) ---J.Smith 07:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Technique behind GMAIL
Would be nice if someone could write something about the technique behind GMail, especially the RTF Editor, i've been searchin for hours for any information...


 * You're probably looking for information on XMLHttpRequest, which Gmail uses heavily. It allows you to implement much more complicated logic than normal javascript will allow with requiring form submission . --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The RTF editor is a builtin feature in browsers (might be activex). I found someone who deconstructed the tech, and had my own field up and bolding and coloring text within about 2 minutes. It's nothing special on GMail's side, it's just using some newer browser features well.


 * Is it? Then, why the RTF Editor of MSN Groups (see for example: http://groups.msn.com/clubdelosfansdetails/_rte.msnw), which works so well with IE, does not work with any other browser? --Fibonacci 00:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

It is a build in feature, it's just not activex and probably not the same as MSN Groups. It is just AJAX. --Cacumer 03:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Could someone clarify me on this point? The Gmail feature article states this: "Contrary to popular belief, Gmail's interface is not an example of Ajax techniques - instead of XML, data is transferred with chunks of JavaScript code." And yet this article states the exact opposite. --Brechtdg 07:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Screenshot
The screenshot has some weird font spacing and aliasing that I know doesn't happen on firefox on my mac. Can we replace it with something that more accurately reflects the majority of the users' experience with Gmail's interface? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Limitations
I want to talk about the changes I've being making to limitations. I see that limitations section not only as a list of features lacking from a "beta" version that google is. But also as a list of "to do" that hopefully someone inside Gmail Team can capture something from it. Since it's a list made not only by 1 person but by a whole wikipedian group, I believe this is really relevant.

And specifically about what I've added and changed...

- The applying for all pages may look simple feature, but it's not. It actually would require a very complex way to solve it into a simple interface to keep gmail simple. Just try to imagine deeper on how this could affect. You won't be able to imagine if you haven't experienced some time of gmail using (or similar things).

- The termination dot (sorry for my lack of vocabulary) moving to before the comments in each item is just, as I've commented, to show that the comment isn't inside the phrase, but it's separated from it. Also, I know that people are using that dot instead of the dot-comma to "proper format the list". But a list don't actually need this kind of formatting. You need to use that kind of thing just to: A. show that you know deeper about it B. indicate the end of the item, which is already indicated by the beginning of the next, except for the last item. So basically, it would only be really needed when there are big items, specially the last one, but them you use it for all of them to keep it standard. Maybe I've should have removed all the dots, so it wouldn't look weird like it is looking right now... Or maybe someone should agree with me and do it instead. :P

- The problem with paging and doing anything (like applying or selecting) among more than 1 page (consider page as each group of records, be it e-mail, contacts, etc) is really complex. Just don't underestimate it, because it does looks like a ridiculous issue. I just wanted to add this comment, I'll explain this better later on, when I get the time.

--Cawas 15:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

- The oldest page is basically because without that, it gets harmfull to find out how many e-mails a big search actually have. Also, sometimes, you may find that you want to see the first "historical" e-mail, so you'd have to go the the last one.

- The "items per page for non-labels" is pretty much self-explanatory.

- I also have to add later on (which I forgot at first) the "organize by" feature. Just "organize by sender (ascending | descending)", "organize by date", etc. That should work in all places: labels (inbox is a label), filters, searching and contacts. There are quite a few features that works for labels only, and most don't work for contacts.

--Cawas 21:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

absent abilities
I'm thinking on removing that "the ability" of every item and putting "it can't" or something that's more clear. Any one who can thinks logically would understand that is a least of lacking features, but it can get hard to understand if you miss the word absent there or if you're just not used to it (unlike me, in both cases). Of course, that would require to change the introducing phrase as well, and remove "are absent". I'd just rewrite another phrase with the same meaning.

And that way it can also give emphasize each item even more and leave it clear crystal that those features are not in g-mail. And then, hopefully, gmail team will build them up eventually! :)

I just hope someone can discuss at least this with me... I'm starting to feel alone in the dark. o_O

--Cawas 19:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

wrong place for suggestions
This is about my constant updates on the Gmail section. I've being using it actually like it was a suggestion page because I do believe some people from Google's Gmail Team actually read this page and do whatever they can to help our community to grow up with gmail. I'm nor sure if this is a valid action, since this is not a request, or suggestions, page neither a gmail location... But I do feel this opening in here and all those small ideas coming up and I want to share them and let the developer team knows about them. Actually, as I'm a small programmer myself, I could even script those "updates", if we had an easy language / script. I could compare this idea to having something as programming languages are for making softwares just like wiki is an "HTTP tool" for making web site content. In fact, since I'm outdated about programming languages, I even believe we might have something similar already. I know Java was the first closest thing to this idea, about 7 years ago. Maybe Python or that new "something-Gears" (supposed to replace PHP) could be it. I know I'm just outdated.

Anyway, I wanted to let wikipedians know a little bit about "this whole thing" I'm doing here in wikipedia. It's a lot personal, but it's also "wikable". So I just hope nobody gets this the wrong way and rather than deleting my contributions could help me to focus all this "energy" in a better direction. I know I'm doing it in the wrong direction right now. I just hope it's not too far away from the correct one.

Thanks for your time!

--Cawas 18:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Um. I'm going to agree with the title of this subsection- "wrong place for suggestions". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. While objectivity is, of course, humanly impossible, I think that posting a wishlist in the middle of an encyclopedia article is not a very good choice. Also, several of the items on your wishlist are contradictory to the feature-set presented earlier in the article. For example, you ask for, "The ability to use Boolean criteria for filters or any kind of searching." However, the Searching section clearly shows that Gmail supports the most common Boolean operators, AND and OR. True, you might have meant the other Boolean operators (XOR, NAND, etc), but I doubt it. The Absent Features section is both outdated and irrelevant, and this whole article seems to me to be in great need of cleaning up. Does anybody agree with me? --Roguelazer 04:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with cleaning, never deleting useful information. Unfortunately I'm never sure if wikipedia is the right place for ANY kind of information. I just like to believe it is. Take a look in the voting "going on" (quite too slow). I'll probably take some measure soon (just couldn't get the time, health issues). And I hope it will satisfy both sides, since nobody could counter-argue it yet.

The title of the section isn't a question, I know it's the wrong place. I wonder if it's too bad to stay somewhere in wikipedia, probably in a sub-article, as I'm planning to. And no, I haven't wrote all the items on it, I haven't put the boolean ability and many others, but I do think he was meaning other boolean operators. And it is eventually outdated, but it's not completely irrelevant. Specially if google actually pays attention to it, then it's not irrelevant at all. Too bad it's so hard to know if they do.

If they don't, it would make it much more irrelevant but it'd be still informational. Even if it's outdated, as long as it shows the date of features, it can even work as a list of "things that were missing back then" or "what gmail wasn't able to do". Is just a matter of interpretation.

Now I ultimately can see, in the global aspect of wikipedia, why people would vote to just wipe part of the article instead of creating sub-articles. I can understand that for a lot of people this isn't a relevant matter in the global wikipedia and shouldn't be as big as it is.

The thing is, gmail is, like google were, a really huge e-mail revolution and it's too soon to realize that. I could be wrong, but I just hope google won't get corrupted because it is getting huge fast. And gmail is just amazing.

--Cacumer 03:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)