Talk:Gnostic Catholic Church (disambiguation)


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move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 06:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Gnostic Catholic Church (disambiguation) → Gnostic Catholic Church … Rationale: inappropiate promotion of a particular organization … 999 14:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support per my nom. It is inappropriate to have "Gnostic Catholic Church" redirect to any particular church. And if it were to redirect to a particular church, the most appropriate would be Ecclesia Gnostica, which is an independent, registered non-profit. Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, on the other hand, is not even an independent registered non-profit - it is part of Ordo Templi Orientis - furthermore, it's membership is extremely small, with about 3000 members. It should not be given preferential status. -999 14:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Support - there appear to be a number of churches the phrase applies to. Several of the sites linked call themselves a "gnostic catholic church" in their documentation. It seems that many are branches and/or sub-branches of others, which makes the term applicable to all sibling or schismed branches. ---Baba Louis 04:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Oppose, "Gnostic Catholic Church" is a proper name...it isn't a general term, but is the actual name of an established church. Frater5 16:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica is the proper name, 'Gnostic Catholic Church' is simply a translation. And neither name is registered as a non-profit, because the church is simply part of Ordo Templi Orientis. In fact, O.T.O. has discouraged people from linking to the EGC subpage of the OTO site for just this reason - because OTO is the only official and registered organization. -999 23:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * They are both the same name in different languages...the fact that it appears in both Latin and English is irrelevant (In Liber LII, Crowley lists it by name in English as "The Gnostic Catholic Church", without the Latin reference). There are many Gnostic churches today, and none of them are called "The Gnostic Catholic Church". The fact that this church is subsumed within OTO is also irrelevant...it remains a discrete church, with it's own history, by-laws, clergy, rituals, and management. However, since there are other Gnostic churches with other similar names, offering a link to a disambiguation page (as is currently the case) is a good-faith way to link to other relevant articles. Other examples of this disambiguation technique on Wikipedia include Baphomet, Aslan, Buffalo Bills, Batman, and many others. The only difference here is that "Gnostic Catholic Church" is not a generic term, but a proper name, and more importantly, is not shared by any other organization. So technically, no disambiguation is needed at all...it is there as a convenience and polite gesture. Frater5 00:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


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