Talk:Go-go/Archive 1

GAP Band
I removed The Gap Band from the list of go-go groups. They were from Tulsa by way of Los Angeles and probably predate the birth of go-go - Gyrofrog 16:46, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Psychedelic?
"...with the psychedelic rock influences of George Clinton intact." While George Clinton may be an influence, I really don't hear anything in go-go that could be described as psychedelic. Go-go is about dancing, not tripping, no? Maybe I'm just listening to the wrong recordings? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:54, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I would say that groups such as Trouble Funk influenced and were influenced by funk groups such as George Clinton & P-Funk. "Arcade Funk" by TILT was pretty psychedelic, too. -Robotam 13:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Amerie
Some have stated that the latest album from Amerie is in go-go genre. Is this correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.158.138 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 4 June 2005 (UTC)
 * No, she's R&B, but because she is from the DC area some of her music has Go go influences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.188.179 (talk • contribs) 7:33, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That's also mostly due to her producer, Rich Harrison, who is from D.C. He has a go-go sort of sound and you hear it in some other artists as well. We should add him as one of the first Go-Go influenced producers to go mainstream. Richard Corey 21:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It don't mean a thing if...
I added the following:
 * "A swing rhythm is often implied (if not explicitly stated)."

I hope this assetrtion doesn't seem off-the-wall. Or maybe it's really obvious, but no one else has mentioned it so far in the article. I'm not referring to the style of music called Swing, I'm talking about the rhythm itself (i.e., swung notes). One can usually imagine how a cymbal, playing swung notes, could easily fit in most go-go songs (though the drummer may not actually play it this way). (And now that I think about it, Chuck Brown has played "It Don't Mean a Thing" before, so there ya go...) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 07:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Funk-influenced?
Okay, am I the only one who's more than sure Go-go has nothing, whatsoever to do with Funk music. From growing up in D.C., I've always heard it was more a combination of Jazz, Blues and Calypso music, and later hip-hop. But I never heard Funk. Richard Corey 21:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems funky enough to me! But then I grew up in Texas, a pretty far remove. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the go-go phenomenon originated in the 1960's. See the Go-Go dancing entry.  Rowan & Martin's Laugh-in had go-go dancers in 1968 and let us not forget the famous Whisky A Go-Go which opened in 1964.RCKamahele
 * Most people automatically think of go-go dancers (who danced to a cheesy form of plastic, funky, jazzy music in the 60s)when the subject of go go music comes up - not many people have heard of this still-regional form of funk. And yes, it is funk: one of the main elements of any go go bass drum rhythm is that "the one" is heavily accented.  In earlier go go (see especially Redds and the Boys "Hittin' and Holdin'", EU's "Crankin' at the go go" and Trouble Funk's "Saturday Night Live in DC" - all sublime pieces of music) the first beat of the bar, already heavily accented by the bass drum and crash cymbal, is augmented by the synthesiser "bomb drop".  James Brown had declared in the 60s that "the one" was the main element in funk and George Clinton and Parliament carried that great tradition on.  Go go is heavily influenced by Parliament - many of the horn and synth riffs on the great jamming tracks of the 80s were borrowed directly from P-funk tracks like "Up For the Down Stroke".  The go go tradition of large bands with a killer horn section, a top-notch keyboard player and fantastic drummers and percussionists (the drummers are amazing, having to maintain a syncopated bass drum beat throughout) is sorely missed in today's keyboard and percussion-dominated days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.91.245.98 (talk • contribs) 05:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

TOB
why is everybody hopping onto TOB (Take Over Band). they know how to rock, i aint goin lie, but they aint really very good. take a look at them, most of them jus some lil ass kids... i aint goin go on um n say they some trash, but they WAY over rated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigrob2990 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus their backline is some garbage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.185.156 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Three letter bands
Why are there so many three letter bands? the ___ ___ Band? -- Awiseman 21:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree... i think people not to start doing ther own thing. band names keep getting more and more stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.156.91.225 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Clean up
I think this page, especially the third generation section, needs to be cleaned up, it makes the page too long and is largely unverifiable. Either we delete all of the 3rd generation bands or move them to a new page, "3rd generation go-go bands" or something like that. Thoughts? --Awiseman 21:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * what need to be done is a lock put on so that oonly regester users can edit it Yourname 19:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * i don't think Wikipedia has that feature. The cleanup tag is good though, I will wait a few days and if nothing gets cleaned up, I will move the list to a new article. --Awiseman 16:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea it does right here, but they said there is not enough edits for it to be protected Yourname 02:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Moved third generation bands
I created the page for Third generation Go-Go bands and have moved the list. I suspect that most of them are vanity edits or advertising, but I don't know enough about the bands to change it myself. If anyone else does, please check out the page. --Awiseman 15:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

2nd, 3rd generation?
How are 2nd and 3rd generation bands different from other Go go bands, and how are they classified this way? Can someone explain this in the article? --Awiseman 20:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone? --Awiseman 17:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Clean up / famous bands
I'm beginning to think we should take out the section about famous bands and delete the article for third generation go go bands, as they're quickly becoming indiscriminate lists, and no one seems to be trying to fix them. As of now, I think people are seeing the lists as advertisements and adding their own or their favorite band. --Awiseman 17:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * man dat band UXB rock like a mutha 4real....dey crank yall got 2 checkout dis new band moe, they r UN XPECTED BAND —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.118.37 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

green day
did green day team up with ccb last year or something 68.32.170.157 20:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Three songs
How about a maximum of three songs per band? Hopefully the most notable ones. As of now people keep adding songs and the list is getting crazy. --Awiseman 20:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Awiseman is out of control!!
I am creating lists so that individuals who feel they have something to add, can add it and it will help individuals new to go-go find out more about it.

Awiseman seems to think, that his personal opinions should override facts when it comes to gogo. He needs to understand that much of go-go's history and culture while understood by many is not widely written about. A lot of us have been going for over 25 years now and know quite a bit more than his 26 years on this earth.

I have been going to Go-Go's since age 12 and now 30 years later I am still attending. I am personal friends with band members, places, and personally own over 400 PA tapes dating all the way back to 1977. I have gone to over 80 shows in one year before. Do not delete things that some of us users feel is important just because you may not know about it!!! If you have a problem, email or call me and let's talk. If you want to add, add, but don't just delete other's contributions because you don't like it. This is not your site or your entry, it belongs to everyone. Learn what wiki is about. It's about everyone sharing knowledge with others to paint a more accurate picture. Your knowledge wiseman is not the only knowledge or complete knowledge, the world and go-go existed before you were born. Please learn not to delete others contributions, but rather enhance it. Let's work together, not be divisive as you have been. --BigFred 00:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My only goal is to make this article better. You can't add your personal experiences to the page, however extensive they might be. Everything must be sourced, by a book or something. Otherwise everybody would just add their favorite band and the article would quickly deteriorate. If you're going to put go-go personalities or events or something into the article, at least integrate it into the article and explain why they're important. --Awiseman 17:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Big Fred, I'm still waiting to hear from you on this. --Awiseman 18:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Go-Go
I just wanted to add my input. I am from DC, born and raised. I wanted to add another Rap and R&B group that used go-go back in the day. I find that alot of people state they have never heard of go-go, but the group salt n pepa in the 80s, their first song, "My mic sounds nice" was very much influenced by go-go and they later used Rare Essence in their song and video "Shake Yo Thang". There was also an all girl gogo band in the 80s called "Pleasure" ending the idea that go-go can only be played by all male bands. A movie that added a little go-go flavor was "Sister Act 2." When the group of kids were in the classroom singing "Sardines and Pork and Beans", that was a DC song about being poor, being on welfare, and the government. In the DC area, you can find really nice remixes of regular R&B Songs, such as the go-go remix of "Pimpin all over the World" by Ludacris and Bobby Valentino. There was also an old fad of tshirts and sweatshirts portraying Mickey Mouse being a convict, having mug shots taken, and/or being Black. That was influenced by a song called "Run Joe" made in the 80s by Chuck Brown. Everyone in DC had a "Run Joe" shirt! Even dances, such as the "Hee Haw" were made based on go-go songs. A form of what is now called "Hyphy" in the California region, took place in the early 90s when "Rough it Off" by Junkyard Band came out. Men in the go-go clubs would start elbowing each other and acting wild(and even the women sometimes) and usually that is how people got shot or killed in the clubs. Go-go turned violent also based on rivalries from differing areas. Go-go was a way for those who listen to it to represent where they were from. They would refer to your area by area code (202 represents the DC area while 703 represents the Northern Virginia area to the south of DC and 301 represents part of Maryland, north of DC) or by what apartment complex or sector (NE, NW, or SE) you were from in DC, much like how Ludacris and Jermaine Dupri represent Atlanta and Chingy and Nelly represent St. Louis. So, overall, go-go has so many influences. I live in Georgia and when I heard the new song from Mya (Ayo) it just brought a smile to my face because I know she is representing VA, MD, and DC. If anyone has questions or wants to talk go-go, they can reach me at babygirl_ymc@yahoo.com. Yalondad 18:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Compilation
I wrote this article a few minutes ago and it is already a candidate for speedy deletion. I do not have to the time to work on this deletion case. In case anyone wants to carry the ball, here is the article: Thanks, --McTrixie 01:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * article was not deleted, so I removed what was pasted here. Closenplay 09:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fatback Band?
Is Fatback really a go go band? --Awiseman 21:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Notable go-go bands list
What do you say we remove the Notable Go Go Bands list? Most of the time unregistered users are adding bands with very few google hits and no way of showing that they're actually notable. The list seems to be a magnet for advertising. I say we remove it altogether. Thoughts? --AW 07:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. This was becoming some sort of a spam magnet.  If the bands are important enough, then please create an article for them and add them to a Go Go Bands category.  Long, unsourced lists tend to detract from the quality of an article.  (jarbarf) 22:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Links
Hope I didn't step on any toes removing the following links (I followed the guidelines listed here): I'll leave it to someone else to delete the BBS links Closenplay 19:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Go-Go Last.fm Group -- pretty much a social networking site (albeit via music)
 * The History of Go-go -- plagiarized from an article by Richard O'Connor originally in Streetbuzz magazine, and currently hosted on TMOTTGG.
 * Go-go Music on AMG -- nothing here that couldn't be integrated into the article itself
 * PAPalace -- P.A. Palace is a store.


 * Well, I don't care enough one way or another to argue against taking it off... But I assert that the BBSs are the only resource that carries the current information. For example, a topic on the PaPalace BBS today had 152 replies and 2520 views... in 9 hours! So, in this case... are we sure it shouldn't be listed? That said, you are right that PaPalace is a store, and, they aggressively keep out any mention of their competition on their BBS... One mention of a competitor on the BBS, and they not only delete the post, but permanently band the user ID.TomOehser 01:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the BBSs are a valuable resource regarding go-go, but Wikipedia recommends against including them as links. Since I'm conflicted, I didn't delete them (except for PA Palace, since the main goal of that site is to sell PA tapes).Closenplay 11:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Mass Extinction/Extension
Is this the same band? The band that put out tracks on 4th & B'way was Mass Extension but there was a go-go band Mass Extinction—did they just change the name for the records or what? I couldn't find any reference to both band names. Closenplay 01:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Lil Jon go-go
Lil John also did a song with a go-go type beat with DJ Flexx but I cant remember the name. 68.33.50.133 21:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

it's called "aww skeet skeet" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.22.252 (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

External Links section
"oldschoolgogo" was just added, and it was added to the top. There isn't much there, mostly it looks like it is supposed to be a store, it isn't very active, the content that _is_ there looks like most of it may be plagiarized, anyway- surely it shouldn't be the first thing? What is the policy about ordering external links? I thought stores were not supposed to be there, for one, and certainly something that just has cut-and-pasted content from elsewhere on the net is not a good resource...


 * How should external links be ordered. More content or more active first would seem to be common sense...
 * What external links should be included? If the DC Soul Recordings and Old School GoGo links make the cut, it would seem 10 or 20 more sites should, also...
 * Should more description be added for each external link? Should some triage be done?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.215.8 (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:EL is everything you want to know (and more) about external links. One important thing to keep in mind is that the list of links should be short. I deleted a lot of links a while back; while I wouldn't be against removing more, I would be against adding more, unless the site was exceptional. Closenplay 11:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Lack of success

 * "With few exceptions, go-go bands have seen little success outside of the Washington, D.C. area"

EU hit with "Da Butt", Chuck Brown's hit with "Bustin' Loose". Even if you could come up with 5 more acts that broke nationally, that's still a true statement. You don't need a source to prove that, you need to show more than a few bands that have seen considerable success outside of the Washington, D.C. area. Closenplay 23:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Go-Go
I love this article! Please continue to add more because people are interested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.18.63.165 (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

New information about bands
This is in particular about the recent attempts to add information about The Nasty Band. I want to be careful about not being negative towards a new editor, but I just want to urge respect of Wikipedia's WP:NPOV (Neutral Point of View) policy. If we're going to add new information, it should be backed up by independent sources. I realize that because the topic of Go-go doesn't get much national media attention that can be difficult. Also, I think in conseration of the quantity of information on each individual band in the article, that needs to be taken into account in adding information on new bands to avoid giving undue weight to particular bands.--Larrybob (talk) 19:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The band does not seem to be notable and I believe the two attempts at adding the information were advertisements. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Northeast Groovers
I was introduced to go go in the mid 80s when I hang'n 'round Washington Sq Park in Greenwich Village, NYC. The band I saw was about twenty youth with over-turned plastic paint buckets and drumsticks; no timbales, congas, or the like. They were very young well organized by a man in his mid- or late-twenties, and the sound was so distinctive as to make me wonder "where did this come from?" Well, it was DC. Over the next few years, I saw smaller similar bands performing in the NY subway system. (I was a subway music activist at the time; music has since been co-opted into the system.)

I assumed since they were the first I saw, they were the first, and I don't recall a name, if they had one. But I do recall the sound: it was a cross between "marching band" and "deep jungle," and the leader was the only, and very loud, vocalist. Using gnutella, I did a survey of the go go sounds, and found that the Northeast Groovers resemble that sound the most, so I am hoping the Northeast Groovers get inculded in this article. As yet, I know nothing about this band.
 * Not familiar with NE Groovers, but this sounds an awful lot like Junkyard Band (they started off playing on trash (and plastic toy horns), thus the name). Closenplay (talk) 09:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Bounce Beat
OK, so someone removed the Bounce Beat stuff rather than look up some (probably easily available) references, or re-writing it. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. Maybe you and I are too lazy to make the article better, but taking out all mention of where Go-Go has been headed for 5 or 10 years does NOT make the article better. I'm putting it back in, maybe I'll work on re-writing it with sources, but until, then, don't just wipe it out. Most of what it says is non-controversial with many sources available, for crissake... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.215.8 (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This article has long had a history of WP:OR, and self-promotion. The Bounce Beat section has been tagged as unreferenced for quite a while. If you can dig up some good references, please do so. Otherwise, it doesn't belong in the article. Closenplay (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Again, for crissake, probably > 75% of all Go-Go is now bounce beat Go-Go, OK, IF WP:OR is more important than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules especially "Don't follow written instructions mindlessly, but rather, consider how the encyclopedia is improved or damaged by each edit. (See also Use common sense, below.)". I guess I'll have to actually do the work to write a sourced Bounce Beat section to keep it from being wantonly blown away. I could see editing out stuff like "blah blah blah Wayne Palmer" or "blah blah blah TCB", but to just _axe the entire bounce beat section_ causes more harm than good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.204.141.208 (talk) 17:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Origin, dating, caribbean influence
I lived in DC in the mid 80s and the go go beat was already completely formed by then. I think this article relies too much on recorded artists and overlooks the folk aspect. Its really just folk music, street music. If you look for go go music on youtube the people you see playing on buckets will show you the real go go music and I think this article misses that.

As someone of half caribbean background I think the caribbean influence on go go should go unquestioned. Its just there, you can hear it.

I think the reason go go has never commercially succeeded is because all the songs sort of sound the same. Sorry DC people, its a good beat, but its the same beat in every song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.54.121 (talk) 12:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)