Talk:Goa'uld

Ra and the goa'uld
One possible way to reconcile the inconsistency between Ra in the movie and the Goa'uld in the series is in the translation of the name Goa'uld - "Children of the Gods". The Goa'uld could have been created by Ra or his people, as a means of carrying on their culture, even though they were dying as a species.

BTW, please excuse my ignorance if I have started this Talk Page incorrectly - I'm a bit new here :) Riggermantis 17:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * You did fine. :) It's an interesting theory, but I don't think it'd fit in on the article itself unless some notable figure in the Stargate community (people working on the series for example) were to discuss it in some verifiable manner. Wikipedia's got a policy called No original research that frowns upon us coming up with new things ourselves. Also, this theory raises some questions about the fossil Goa'uld that were discovered on P3X-888, which I recall were described as being a little more primitive than "modern" Goa'uld. If the Goa'uld evolved naturally in the wild then what was Ra's involvement? Bryan 23:13, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I kinda forgot about the "no original research" thing, lol. And it's been a while since I saw the episode dealing with P3X-888. Riggermantis 05:18, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I always assumed the name was invented as a putative root for "ghoul". And that the "children" in the pilot are the barely-mature Goa'uld being implanted in Skaara, et al.
 * &mdash;wwoods 01:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. But then, it also sounds like god and gold. LD 21:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The Goa'uld were a dying race at the time that Ra discovered Earth. That was a long time ago and has nothing to do with the modern day. HotOne121 (talk) 01:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

This is actually a pretty good theory. It sure is a helluva lot better than the whole "oh-Ra-wasn't-the-last-surviving-member-of-an-extinct-humanoid-species-but-one-of-billions-of-glorified-tapeworms" thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HypertimeTraveller (talk • contribs) 16:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC) But uh, when SG-1 goes off to one of those planets in S4 or 5, they find the place where the Goa'ulds came from. Maybe they were dying on a planet they moved to AFTER they took over the unas, but, eh, I don't know. In the original movie, it's IMPLIED that Ra is from a dying race, but not stated. 60.241.224.44 (talk) 05:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Goa'uld Language should have its own page as it is much too large for this article. --Zippanova 20:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

POV?
By the way, isn't "Most Goa'uld are evil, egocentric megalomaniacs who pose as Lords or Gods to control armies." blatantly POV? After all, one man's 'evil, egocentric megalomaniacal blasphemous parasite' is another man's 'freedom-fighter'. &mdash;wwoods 01:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Speaking as one who campaigned against the phrase "the evil Decepticons", I have to agree. I'll edit it to specify which people consider them "evil" - those who worship them presumably don't, for the most part. Bryan 03:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

De-wiki the table
Would anyone mind if I de-wiki the table on this page. Currently it is a mess.

Lady Aleena | Talk 05:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * de wiki? --  Alfakim  --  talk   06:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think she means either turning it into HTML (so some sort of HTML-tidy program could be run on it maybe?) or turning it into a plain old list. Not sure how well either of those would work, might be better to just fix the current code. Bryan 06:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was thinking of making the table all HTML instead of wikicode. HTML is a lot easier to format. One can control things better with HTML than with wikicode, in my opinion.


 * Well, I've literally spent years converting HTML tables into wikicode throughout Wikipedia, so I think it's safe to say that I'd disagree with this. :) Bryan 08:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Considering it takes up half the article currently, I'm going to split it off into List of Goa'uld. That'll make it easier to fiddle around with without breaking anything important. Bryan 06:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Parasitism vs. Symbiosis
Sometimes the distinction between parastism and symbiosis is blurry. The Goa'uld do provide some very significant symbiotic benefits - long life and health for example. The "only" parasitic aspect is that they enslave you - of course, it's a big "only". If they took over creatures that were not intelligent, we might not consider it so parasitic. Some human servants of the Goa'uld, particularly servants of system lords, have shown eagerness to become hosts, despite presumably knowing what life would be like for them. Presumably, the semi-vicarious lifestyle holds appeal.--RLent 18:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The Goa'uld are considered parasites because they override the hosts mind in control. For most freed hosts, they basically said it was a living hell and prison. This is opposed to the Tok'ra, which are true, non parasitic symbiotes. Goa'uld are also considered cultural and technical parasites, as that, unlike the other races including the Tok'ra, who develop a majority of their own techonolgy, the Goa'uld primarily steal technology. 71.36.204.207 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Contradictions

 * In the first paragraph it states " "Goa'uld" means "God" in the Goa'uld language."
 * And then later it states "In fact, the term Goa'uld means "Children of the Gods"."
 * Surely they can't both be right?


 * Now in the following section first it states as fact that the Goa'uld took the names of Earth Gods, and then it later says that there is a debate about this, (which of course there is). You can't state one theory is true and then say the alternative theory is just as likely, it needs to be reworded.


 * "Most Goa'uld like to take the name of a classical god from Earth, especially those of ancient Egypt, but not the Norse or Aztec gods (whose identities were assumed by other alien races), nor has any known Goa'uld ever used a name from the Judeo-Christian or Muslim faiths, though one (Sokar) pretended to be Satan to a group of medieval Christians. In fact, the term Goa'uld means "Children of the Gods". There is still debate as to whether the Goa'uld assumed the names of Egyptian gods already in existence or whether Egyptian mythology stems from the Goa'uld's one-time domination of (ancient) Earth."
 * --Hibernian 02:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Goa'uld means God. the other translation is incorrect. --  Alfakim  --  talk   23:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You sure? Got a source? Or is that just speculation, and perhaps we don't know what the name really means (I suspect the writers didn't have any intended meaning, just made something up that sounds "wicked", but that is also just speculation as well). 74.38.32.128 02:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Of course I don't have a source... but I distinctly remember Daniel Jackson stating that "Goa'uld" meanns "God." The term "children of the gods" would refer to the Tau'ri, Jaffa, etc. The same way that the Christian Bible refers to humans as "children of God." —Preceding unsigned comment added by HotOne121 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * i'm not sure if this is a concern for this page or the others i'm about to mention... but i submit for your consideration that in the "characteristics" section, it is stated that "No known Goa'uld has ever used a name from the Abrahamic religions, such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam". however, in the specific article for Ba'al, it says he's based on Baal (of the Canaanite religion, granted)...and then that link for Baal says it's from Judaism. and includes the line "Baal is sometimes seen as a demon in Christianity." yeah, that was a long way to go, but it's still a bit off..
 * --Heterodoxus (talk) 02:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm no expert by any means but I would not say Baal is "from Judaism." I would agree slightly more with the "demon in Chrisianity" line. In the Old Testament Baal was a false god. People that worshipped him often faught with the Jews and many Jews often fell from grace and worshipped Baal. Baal doesn't really have anything to do with the Abrahamic religions except for the fact that he was a "rival" god at one time. HotOne121 (talk) 03:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

new image
Not sure it is a copy vio. Could someone check on it? Thanks :) Dlohcierekim 15:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

also poor quality--too dark

pic
someone changed the pic of the Symbiote to a pic of Tanith. well i dont mind if it isnt changed back, but this article DOES need a pic of the actual goa'uld species in its actual form. so the pic should be reinserted somewhere. --  Alfakim  --  talk   23:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It was changed by a new contributor. I'm not usre of his judgment. I think it's a copyvio, but I'm bnot sure. :) Dlohcierekim 00:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * 'twasnt a copyvio, but it probably needed fair use tagging. i'd like to see that image back again, but i cant find its path anymore. --  Alfakim  --  talk   16:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Goa'uld insignia
Anyone know of a website correlating Goa'uld to the insignia that their jaffa wear? For example, Teal'C's insignia (or "brand" or whatever) signifies that he was in the service of Apophis. What about the other insignia? TerraFrost 09:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. See Talk:System Lord-- Alfakim -- talk  14:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Any reason those icons can't be added to their respective Stargate character templates? TerraFrost 08:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Goa'uld
I'll readily agree with anyone who says that the common pronunciations of "GOOLD", and "go-OOLD" is mispronouncing the word, but the pronunciation listed in IPA: [ˈgoʊ˘uːld] is not entirely accurate either. From the correct pronunciations that I have heard, the ' in fact stands for a glottal stop, which would make it consistent with Arabic transliterations. (How one would resolve this with the name "Teal'c", you got me, my best guess is that who ever was making up the names, wasn't a linguist.)

From what I hear, the most accurate pronunciation would be: [ˈgoɑ.ʔuːld]. --Puellanivis 22:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That seems correct! Though not everyone pronounces the glottal stop. Here's a clip with it: Tanith: "I am the Goa'uld" (S4E4 Crossroads). And two clips without: Teal'c and Daniel. My only other quibble is that it sounds like Daniel stresses the second syllable while the other two don't really stress any of them, so I'd transcribe it as, but I'm not a linguist.
 * For "Teal'c", that could make sense, couldn't it? ? Although he doesn't pronounce it that way. It could be just an orthographic leftover like the silent b in lamb, which was pronounced in Old English.— W.andrea (talk) 05:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For "Teal'c", that could make sense, couldn't it? ? Although he doesn't pronounce it that way. It could be just an orthographic leftover like the silent b in lamb, which was pronounced in Old English.— W.andrea (talk) 05:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

How long do they live ?
I know in the series the lived for a very long time but do they eventually die from old age ? (Gnevin 17:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC))

We've never seen a Goa'uld die of anything that could be termed natural causes, always killed by a variety of means and enemies, so their actual age-limit is completely unknown. However, it is likely that there is a cap to their regenerative abilities, even with the support of the various healing devices they possess, because Yu was seen growing senile (for lack of a better word) towards the end of his life. Though never explicitly proven to be a result of the natural progression of his life, various characters within the show hypothesized that it might be because of his extreme age (He was the oldest living Goa'uld at the time). If there truly is an age limit, it's at least 10,000 years (Please note that this involves frequent check-ups with the aforementioned healing technologies). JBK405 02:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Contrary to that, at least one symbiote died of natural causes. Selmak. We can't say that they live forever. In fact, I doubt they would last very long without a host or stasis unit (We've seen symbiotes die from exposure in a matter of minutes. I'm sure that the sarcophagi not only regenerate the host, but the symbiotes as well. I'm more inclined to believe that, with consistent host shifts every 190-200 years, the symbiotes can live naturally for around 2000-3000 years. I say this because Selmak, was the last surviving of the Tok'ra born of the progenitor symbiote, Egeria. Given that Selmak is the last of the first, and Egeria was lost around 2000 years before present, it's probably best to say that 2000-3000 is the natural limit of a symbiote with host.71.36.204.207 (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ra was 10,000 years old... He took his host in 8000BC in the Stargate movie. Itchy Flea (talk) 07:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Glowing Eyes
Has it ever been explained why/how the host's eyes sometimes glow? --Dr Archeville 23:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In or out of universe? JoshuaZ 00:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Either. (Other than "Because it's a cool-looking visual effect that the audience can 'ooh' and 'aah' over," of course.)  No one's ever said (on the show, comics, novels, or RPGs) something along the lines of "the Naqahdah in Goa'uld's body combines with certain proteins in the sclera of the host's eye and adrenaline released during periods of agitation to create a photonic effect," correct?  --Dr Archeville 04:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The "why" is that the eyes glow whenever the Goa'uld are feeling extreme emotion, or want to display extreme emotion, though they can suppress the glow if they want to (Such as when they're posing as a non-Goa'uld). However, exactly how it happens has never been discussed (At least, I don't think it has). JBK405 02:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say that's more of a "when," but that's just me ;-)  --Dr Archeville 04:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Good point. The why, in that case, is that they want to appear superhuman and deific. JBK405 22:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Argument of the physical strength of a Goa'uld Host
Through the entirety of the show, We have been told of the increased physical strength of a Goa'uld Host and many times, it has been explained as being something that is greater than the average Human. Well, how much greater? There has been occassions, where we have seen how strong they are, but in terms of superhuman strength and such, they do not appear to be in possession of such a level of strength. They have been seen, knocking over a full-grown human, but no further back than 5 feet at the most; been seen breaking through a pair of plastic binding cuffs; choking a doctor, before brutually breaking his neck( a la Major Kawalski), and occassionally lifting and throwing someone a small ways, away from them. the Ashrak, was show to be able to knock aggressors around like bean bags, and do enough damage with a knife, to make most foresnic experts cringe at the sight and details.

By definition, how is this superhuman strength? Granted, they are stronger than the average Human, due to the control the Goa'uld symbiote, has over the muscles and muscular contractions, and whatnot, giving the Host improved strength and whatnot. They seem to lead us on, trying to make us think, that because of the control of the Symbiote, that the Host is now faster, stronger and much more tougher than the average Human. I mean, come on; the Wraith, are much more stronger, faster, and tougher than the Goauld.

We've seen a Wraith leap upwards to impressive heights, and survive falls of the same distances; knock people around as if they were paper dolls; move so quick, that the dots representing them on a tracking screen, appeared in one spot for a second, before appearing on another part of the screen, a great distance away; seconds later, and we've seen them take a full clip of a P90 and then some, to the chest and torso, without crumpling over; only to recover seconds later, ready to rip you another hole.

So, seriously; is the physical strength of a Goa'uld,along with other supposed other greater physical improvements; that much above Humans, for it to be considered superhuman? I have yet to see a Goa'uld punch through a solid wall; move fast that the heroes have a hard time keeping track, and leap upwards and in any directions far beyond Human capability, and survive long falls, and land on their feet. if this has happened, i must of missed, because that would be something, that would convince me otherwise, of how much stronger a Goa'uld Host, is; in comparison to the average and not-so average Tau'ri.

celestialphoenixreborn


 * Uhh.....what does that have to do with this article? What you have posted is a whole mess of original research, none of which can be included in the article per Wikipedia policy.  That post would be better suited for Gateworld Forums, as the talk page is not the place to discuss the show in that fashion. Gamer83 13:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, then; why does this discussion section of the article, make mention of how long a Goa'uld can live in a host body? Shouldn't something like that be in the Gateworld Forums as well? plus, isn't a whole lot of what is posted on wikipedia, original research? I mean it would be both biased and foolish to assume that none of the material presented on here, is original research. Just making an observation. Besides, isn't that what the dicussion section of the wikipedia articles is for; to debate over the discrepancies and veracity of certain claims? celestialphoenixreborn

It has been stated in the show that the Goa'uld bestow increased physical strength to their hosts, therefore that is what is in the article. It is not up to you, me, or anyone else to analyize the show and attempt to enter original research into the article. Here is the policy stating just that for your reference No original research. Also talkpages are not for chat to discuss original research, just because some people above misused this page deosn't mean it is ok for you to now do it as well, Talk page guidelines. Gamer83 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the OR nature, the argument is for saying that Goa'uld do not have "superhuman" strength. "Super" comes from Latin for "above", and human, we already know.  Do Goa'uld have superhuman strength?  If they have strength anywhere above what the host originally had without the host, then it's superhuman strength.  Just because there are stronger or more powerful aliens out there does not change the fact that Goa'uld are stronger than humans, and thus have superhuman strength. Any other definition of "superhuman strength" would require subjective attitudes to be introduced, and thus cannot be considered.  If you want to add something to the article saying something along the lines of "Despite the Goa'uld giving superior strength, speed and survivability to the host, there are other aliens out there that are stronger."  Well, that's just plainly appartent, and not really necessary to the article either. --Puellanivis 19:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with everything you said Puellanivis. The only reason I didn't enter an argument like yours to begin with is because his argument is only supported by his own personal, subjeective, original reseaerch; and thus was invalid from the start. Gamer83 19:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Its funny that you feel my argument is personal and subjective. I could devel into the whole deal about how any inquiry we as Humans do, is subjective, despite our stance towards objectivity; but that would be a waste. Besides, if wikipedia was so adamant, about not including anything that was considered to be original research; why make the format so accessible, that it allows for anybody and everybody, to edit and change the contain, given within any article avaialable to the site?

If original research is so inherently detrimental, why allow for anybody and everybody to have access to the site? If objectivity, true objectivity, is attainable, in any given field of research; then wikipedia should be made access to those, who can prove their claims to objectivity, and have them write all the articles, instead of having subjective individuals, like me; have any say in what is written within a given article. But, hey that's just me. Besides, there a thousands upon thousands of entries on wikipedia; that include personal research, I don't see anybody bothering them about their entries or their methods of inquiry, etc., etc.

In the end, I'm gonna drop this conversation, because I don't know how certain people are gonna react to what is said and whatnot, and I enjoy wikipedia too much, to be barred access to it, just because of how certain people(not pointing fingers; could be anyone)are gonna react to my statements, and act as if I'm trying to start fights on a website, which would be rather stupid, since threats over the internet, are pointless; like any act of aggression made over the interent.

celestialphoenixreborn

Dude, this isn't a philosophy class. Your entire argument makes no sense. You’re basically saying " I saw a bank robbery yesterday, therefore it must be ok for me to rob a bank as well". All of your superfluous Red Herrings are meaningless. Wikipedia has policies and we must all adhere to them, regardless of how you philosophically feel about them. Gamer83 21:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Description as a Species
I remember in one episode that supposedly Egeria was the "queen", in a hive-sense, of the Goa'uld and Tok'ra species, correct? Is there an exact name for this type of species that is defined by its serpent-like appearnce? I think it would be worthy to mention that in explaining the origins of the Goa'uld and Tok'ra sense they're really one and the same.--Waxsin (talk) 22:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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Key episodes
The key episode was not the movie, but the pilot of the series. In the movie there were no Goa'uld (it was not said, what the god Ra really is). Anyone of the same opinion? So we should change this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.184.196.50 (talk) 18:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Goa'uld Language
The Goa'uld language is a pretty non-notable language, even if it is part of a notable show. I am unaware of any reliable print sources, and I only remember that Peter DeLuise said in one of the audio commentaries that he is the one who made it all up, and that he's got a list of the lanugage in his drawer (this may be a false memory). Since Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and since I couldn't find a wiki page listing e.g. all Klingon words, I am pretty sure the lower part of Goa'uld language should be removed entirely. I am unsure about the upper part, so instead of taking this to AfD, I propose to merge the rest of the article into Goa'uld and wait until someone else cleans up this article. The other option is to take Goa'uld language to AfD nevertheless. Comments or corrections before I go ahead with the merger? – sgeureka t•c 15:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I merged the upper part of the language article, and marked it as possible original research. It will need sorting through and trimming in the future. The dictionary part is still available in the page history, so if someone wants to move it to Stargate, he is free to do so. – sgeureka t•c 11:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Any idea why there are apostrophes in all the Goa'uld words? They aren't voiced at all so what do they represent? 86.182.222.246 (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Ahem? The masks?
In the movie it is shown to be very obvious that Ra and his "assistants (be they humans or minor Goa'uld)" are believed to be gods by the abydonians due to their mask/helmets (e.g. Daniel's "look upon your gods" scene, and the way that Ra wore his mask in the execution scene. Not to mention Ra clearly wearing his mask on one of the wall paintings, ect. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --&#91;&#91;User:Tutthoth-Ankhre&#124;Tutthoth-Ankhre~ The Pharaoh of the Universe&#93;&#93; (talk) 02:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Asgard and Nox dominant species in the Galaxy?
"They are one of the dominant species in our galaxy with the Nox and the Asgards among others.".. I'm not sure if you can call them dominant in our Galaxy. As far as we know the Nox are not well known in the Galaxy and only occupy one planet, and the Asgard are in a different Galaxy entirely. Would anyone mind if I got rid of this bit? Jedi Master Bra&#39;tac (talk) 23:48, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have removed this bit as it is incorrect. The Nox control only one planet that we know of, and the Asgard are in the Ida galaxy. Itchy Flea (talk) 09:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Protected Planets Treaty
At what point does this get proven: "One of the main strategies of the Tok'ra is to play the System Lords against one another, so that no single one of them becomes too powerful to topple.[33] They are responsible for enforcing the Protected Planets Treaty amongst the Goa'uld of the galaxy.[16]" I do not recall the episode mentioned as citation mentioning that the Tok'ra enforce the protected planets treaty. I will watch this episode to see if and when this is mentioned, and if it is not mentioned, I will removed this section of text for being unreliable. Itchy Flea (talk) 09:21, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing Goa'uld from hosts
I removed the line " It has been shown that the Tollan have a means to remove the symbiote allowing both the symbiote and host to live." as this is incorrect, in the episode referenced the Tollan asked the Tok'Ra to remove the symbiote and did not do it for themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bertcocaine (talk • contribs) 18:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Goa'uld Meaning
It means "Butt-Wool"

"Goa" means buttocks in Tabaru.

"Uld" means wool in Danish.

Wool around the butt of a sheep attracts PARASITIC flies like the botfly, blowfly, and screw fly to lay eggs and infect that area with their larvae. Otherwise known as flystrike or myiasis.

The "Goa'uld" are a PARASITES!

So beware of those with wooly butts...

"Butt Wool" is a fitting name for an antagonist with the "cheeky" humor we know exists in the show. 98.11.50.184 (talk) 21:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)