Talk:Goalkeeper (association football)

List of notable goalkeepers
I suggest that we nuke the list "Current notable goalkeepers" and "Notable Goalkeepers Of The Past". They are subjective lists with arbitrary inclusion criteria. We could replace them with a more authoritative list, has FIFA created such a list? Punkmorten 11:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I second that. What about the IFFHS 20 Keepers of the Century for the historical perspective and IFFHS' World's Best Goalkeeper of the Year for an annually updated list? UEFA has the UEFA Club Football Awards prize, but that is too Eurocentric. I don't know about FIFA, apart from the FIFA World Cup awards and FIFA World Cup awardss. Poulsen 11:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. There are too many great goalkeepers to name, its better to stay neutral. I have added the direct link to the IFFHS page on the "Century's best goalkeeper"; the top 20 or 25 can be added in wiki format to replace the "Notable GK's of the past" list. As for the "Current notable goalkeepers" list, the IFFHS also has a worldwide yearly selection from 1987 to 2004, of which the winners can be included on a year-by year list. I am not sure if there is such selection before or after those years. The Yashin Award winners should also be mentioned or linked to. --ChaChaFut 17:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good. By the way, is there any such list for female goalkeepers? Punkmorten 09:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Goalie is not just a US term.

Unjustly deleted material
This was recently deleted from the page after having been "stable" for a long time:

In the Hong Kong martial arts/comedy Shaolin Soccer, "Team Evil" players are injected with an American serum that gives them superhuman strength and speed. Their goalie is very fast and has strong hands capable of crushing the thick metal crossbar on the net. He is the only person that is able to guard against the powerful kicks of "Mighty Steel Leg" Sing of "Team Shaolin", who can kick a beer can through a brick wall. The goalie of Team Shaolin resembles Bruce Lee and even wears the famous yellow-and-black tracksuit. He has superhuman speed and can simultaneously guard the goal against multiple kicks.

Firstly, it's not trivia since it's a full paragraph and not a bullet-pointed sentence. I started the "In Media" section so others could add more movies dealing with soccer goalies. Even if people still consider it trivia, I read over the WP:TRIVIA and says "Don't simply remove trivia sections, but seek to integrate each fact into the article in a more organized fashion." So the info will be reintegrated into the page eventually. You can't argue with wikipedia guidelines. --Ghostexorcist 20:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Goalkeeper a must?
The article states that “Each team is required to have a goalkeeper on the field at all times during a match. If a goalkeeper is forced to leave the field due to injury or being sent off, another player must occupy the post, even if the team has no substitute goalkeeper available and/or has used up its allotted substitutions.” I don't think this is entirely true, there is nothing in the laws of the games that says that having a goalkeeper is compulsory, it is common sense to have one at all times though. I would personally delete that sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PaddyC (talk • contribs) 03:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with that statement, but it is universal practice to have a goalkeeper at all times in a professional game. As an aside; it's strange that goalkeepers are probably the least respected and paid players in the game, but it is the one and only position that no team would EVER leave unfilled in the event of a sending off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.151.42 (talk) 20:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes a Goalkeeper is a must. Laws of the Game, Law 3 in the 'Number of Players' section (page 17 in the 2013/2014 edition) states, A match is played by two teams, each consisting of not more than eleven players, one of whom is the goalkeeper.--Kingmoose8 (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Goalkeeper organising
as I mentioned in Goalkeeper the sentence "Since goalkeepers can see every player on the field most of the time, they often organize the defense of the team during defensive corners, and defensive free kicks, as well as when the opposing team is attacking." is an strange statement.

This is a team sport and I do believe all players help each other all the time. If it means putting a wall at a free kick, this is a bit obvious, Soccer is a team sport and I think all the team do organise and help each other all the time, not really understand the sentence, and don't see the point of it being there, I still didn't delete it though, I'll let yous decide. Paddy -) 03:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Have you played football at any level above a sunday kickabout? The goalkeeper is effectively the team captain when it comes to the defensive third of the field. He will constantly bark orders to the defenders during open play and will tell players where to position themselves when defending a free kick or corner. It is a completely relevant statement. Mike 16/02/09 20:12 GMT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.151.42 (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, half the orders/requests/demands a goalkeeper yells at the defence outside of defending set plays is actually nigh-on inaudible at the professional level. I seem to recall either Gary Pallister or Steve Bruce commenting that they rarely could actually hear anything Peter Schmeichel was yelling at them, but that it was ... shall we say encouraging them to perform better all the same. And by all accounts, Schmeichel was a pretty loud keeper. Auqakuh (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

OMG
that goalie is so good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.241.202 (talk) 08:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Pardon
"Goalkeeper is often abbreviated GK in lineup cards, match reports, and TV captions. The terms keeper and goalie are also commonly used. This position is colloquially referred as 'custodian' or 'the man between the posts'."

I think you'll find they're colloquially referred to as 'keepers' and 'goalies', primarily the former. I've never heard the term 'custodian' in my almost 30 years, and calling the them 'the man between the posts' is usually used satirically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.229.241.172 (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree you should remove 'custodian' and 'the man between the posts'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.137.20 (talk) 07:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

'Man between the posts'? It's 'sticks', surely. Auqakuh (talk) 22:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Attacking responsibilities of goalkeepers
I think the attacking portion of goalkeepers is a bit too long considering how they apply to a very small but notable subset of goalkeepers (some, like Rene Higuita, are more professional entertainers than goalkeepers; however, Rogerio Ceni is beyond reproach). Sure, beautiful game, but it needs a sense of perspective. I am thinking of paring this portion down, at least until the rest of the article is substantially beefed up, but hoping for some input before I go ahead and ruin somebody's efforts. Veinofstars (talk) 06:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Diving Technique
'After making the catch, the goalkeeper brings the ball to the ground before his body, so as to cushion his landing and avoid injury.' This is complete nonsense. Landing ball first would result in, unsurprisingly, the ball being propelled out of one's hands by virtue of the ground generally being a relatively hard surface. Worse, diving to achieve this would mean violating a basic rule of goalkeeping; namely that one does not jump "over" the ball in order to catch it (IE, on a high arcing trajectory to the ball). Every goalkeeping coach I've ever known would shout at someone for doing this, as it takes the emphasis off of moving your feet and puts reliance on agility, which is a major error in technique. Auqakuh (talk) 22:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Number 1 shirt
The part of the intro that goes "...the number 1 shirt is usually reserved for the goalkeeper. Notable exceptions include..." doesn't really work. The exceptions should be teams where the number 1 shirt was NOT used for a keeper. Instead, there's a list of keepers who didn't wear number 1; that doesn't necessarily mean that the backup keeper didn't have that shirt.  howcheng  {chat} 18:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Potential Plagiarism?
Just had a Google search trying to find Claus Lindenberger in the clown outfit mentioned in this article. One of the images found in the Google search linked me to a website (http://soccer-goalkeeper.biz/Equipment.html) Seems to show exactly the same text as the information found in the Equipment section on this article. Looking through the rest of the site, all the text seems to match this article word for word. Any verification on copyright holder since either that website or this article is plagiarising the work. Due to this, I'll be adding the Copypaste at the top of the page until the issue is resolved. harbin91 (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Had a look at this myself, the external article is "copyright 2010", however, looking at the last 2009 version of this page, I think it is clear here that the copyvio is not on the part of wikipedia. Please remove the copypaste tag if you think this issue is now resolved. Thanks, Cloudz679 (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Goalkeeping is inevitable?
I believe this statement should either be removed or sourced: "It seems inevitable that wherever a game has evolved goals, some form of goalkeeping must also be developed." This seems to be author speculation rather than a factual statement or the conclusion of an expert. As a counterexample, basketball does not have any player specifically designated for defending the goal. There easily could have been other sports that do not have any form of "goalkeeper" as well, despite the presence of a goal. 75.47.229.19 (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Introduction
The introduction contains a number of inaccuracies. I suggest the following edits are made:

1) Within the 18 yard box The term '18 yard box' is not correct. This should be changed to 'Penalty Area' as called in the Laws of the Game, Law 1 The Field of Play.

2) If a goalkeeper is hurt or sent off the back-up goalkeeper must take his place This is not true. Whilst a team must play with a goalkeeper, they have no compulsion to bring on a substitute goalkeeper (although it is unlikely that a team would chose not to).  I would like to delete this line.  Also the term 'back-up' is a bit odd, shouldn't this be 'substitute'

3) In the event of a sending off an outfielder too must leave Again this is not true. If a team decides that they want to bring on a substitute goalkeeper in the event of the starting goalkeeper being sent off, they would need to remove an outfield player - but to say 'must' is wrong, the team is under no compulsion to bring on a substute goalkeeper (as in point 2, above).  This needs to be re-worded, as a team may not have a named substitute goalkeeper, or may have used up all of their permitted substitutions in a game before the sending off.

4) most teams have the same keeper play in the starting XI every season. Not sure this is strictly true - giving the example of just one player being Real Madrid's goalkeeper for 9 years is not 'proof', and the statement For example Petr Čech is currently no.1 at Chelsea makes no sense in the context of this.  It could be argued that a team often uses the same goalkeeper for most games in one season, but even this is less common now.  I would like to remove this or change it to 'in one season'.

5) This is one of the main reasons why most goalkeeper on average retire in their forties Is the average age of retirement for a goalkeeper 40+ ? (I doubt it), if so this some sort of citation needs to be added to this statement. It would be better to change this to 'some goalkeepers retire in their forties', with a few examples such as Peter Shilton, or 'The average age of retirement for goalkeeper is often older than outfield players' - but again, there is no proof of this.

--Kingmoose8 (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

General Play and Technique
Article currently states They are also "protected" from active interference by opponents within their own goal area This is not true and should be removed. Goalkeepers are subject to the same Laws of the Game as all other players, and 'interference' from opponents is the same regardless of who the fouled player is. The only exception to this is in Law 12 (page 37 of the 2013/14 edition of Laws of the Game) where an indirect free-kick is awarded if a player prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands - but this applies to the whole Penalty Area, not just the Goal Area. --Kingmoose8 (talk) 22:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Errors
Seeing the errors that are in this article, it makes me think that they have had absolutely no playing experience as a goalkeeper:

1. If an attacker on the opposing team obstructs the keeper from catching or saving the ball for example in a corner, it will normally be a freekick. In my level, players generally mark the goalkeeper on corners and push him around a lot without giving away a free kick. I have only ever been awarded a free kick for this once in my career.

2. launching themself into a horizontal position 'Themself' is not a word. Also, goalkeepers are encouraged to dive forward at an angle of about 30 degrees.

3. Some goalkeepers position their wall in a certain position to tempt the kick-taker to a certain type of shot. I have never seen any goalkeeper do this.

4. Tim Howard never went up for a corner and scored like this article suggests. His goal came from a goal kick that caught the wind and bounced over the opposition goalkeeper.

5. and to protect themselves from injury Gloves stop the ball from stinging, the risk of injury with or without gloves are both slim.

Not to mention the many typos that are in this article. I don't have the editing skills to make these changes, but I do hope somebody would make these changes for me. BoredomJS (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Contradiction
This article appears to contradict itself stating a goalkeeper is required to stay near the posts and on the other part of the article it says that they are not required to do so. Thanks -- Camilo S&aacute;nchez Talk to me 00:03, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see this contradiction. Perhaps it has been removed? --John (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Typical characteristics of goalkeepers
Good to discuss required temperament, physical characteristics, personality etc. Rcbutcher (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

#Gendergap
The images on this article only show men... can some be replaced by images with women as goalkeeper? Kind regards, Ellywa (talk) 00:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

What a save by the Keeper man
WHAT A SAVE BY THE KEEPER MAN 93.107.71.196 (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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Liverpool
Welcome Hi my love for keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.160.119.148 (talk) 19:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

vi 102.223.130.76 (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)