Talk:Goatse.cx/Archive 5

A reputable news site says [redacted] is indeed the goatse man
http://gawker.com/5899787/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturbing-internet-meme-in-history

His name should be included in this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.56.66.86 (talk) 22:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, we've seen it. There are a few problems. The key phrase is 'goes by the name "[redacted]",' in quotes, so IMHO that's not definitive as either the actual name or nom de porn. Gawker's the only source at this point; no RS picked up on it. Interpreting WP:BLP conservatively (erring on the side of privacy), the guy is still not a public figure, having not announced in public (wide media), or in multiple RS, so we as a matter of policy very likely won't be doing that for him. --Lexein (talk) 11:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Addendum in response to the recent addition, and my revert of, the name to the article: I neglected to mention previously that first, Gawker is not a de facto "reputable news site". Quite a bit of what they write is blind sourced, and this article still does not definitively confirm that that's the real name of the person. Worse, the person didn't name themselves, somebody else did. If Gawker is unsure of the name, and no other RS back it up, why should we even mention Gawker's unconfirmed guess? "One author of one article on Gawker (a gossip site) surmised that he goes by the name of "[redacted]"." Not a good look for Wikipedia. I've boldly redacted the name from this Talk page, as we have in the past. Discuss? --Lexein (talk) 09:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

True, but there is enough evidence out there, presented quite nicely by the gawker article, to prove that the man known as "KirkJ" on many amateur porn sites is indeed the Goatse Man. This particalur article mentions every source. It is unequivocally solid journalism. ElectricPickle (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see any way around the quotes Gawker puts around his name, and their "goes by the name of". Those two distancing (CYA) devices combine to leave the name in limbo, in the realm of gossip, hearsay, circumstantial, but not what we would call RS. If Gawker had said that any police reports, property deeds, car registrations, and/or state&federal tax returns report the same name, not in quotes, then we might be further along, but they didn't go that far. That's not solid journalism, that's trying to avoid a lawsuit, and maybe trying to protect the real name of the person. What's more annoying is that Gawker didn't definitively declare it as a porn name pseudonym either. WP:BLP is pretty firm about keeping private citizens' names off Wikipedia articles. --Lexein (talk) 08:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

This article has been cited in US Federal Court
Twitter link.

This is in regards to the appeal of weev. I don't know whether this has been mentioned in the media yet, but I imagine it may be. pagewatchers should probably be prepared for additional traffic and/or vandalism, as the filing does not appear to have cited a specific revision. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 05:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good catch. We'll see what the traffic does. The Twitter comments link to http://www.eff.org/cases/us-v-auernheimer which links this Gov't answering brief. The reference to this article is a footnote on page 3: "1 For a more graphic description, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse."
 * Wikipedia is cited in several places in the brief. Whee. Kids, citing Wikipedia? Don't. --Lexein (talk) 10:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Relevance of 'in jurisprudence'
I fail to see how this section has relevance. The only two claims I can see are that the Appellate Court referenced what the name refers to (which seems irrelevant to this page and obvious on the Goatse Security page.) That the court mentioned the origin of the term seems trivial.

The other claim is that the court's brief "caused a stir on social media" which is not supported by the references given. The references given show a single tweet, without any WP:RS commentary. Showing that somebody somewhere tweeted about it is not the same as showing there was a "stir on social media." OSborn arfcontribs. 01:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

A gaping hole in the logic of getting rid of hello.jpg
The author of the photographs posted them to a public website, clearly that is enough to assume they are licensed to be put on other free-use websites (i.e this one). Other than that objection there is no reason to ban it. Bring it back.
 * No, it's not. We o not apply copyright law using assumptions, we apply it using facts. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:15, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There's no need to be an asshole Matt. CTDU (talk)
 * Adding the goatse picture to this article would really be stretching the limits. 60.240.117.95 (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The mail service is real
I've been using it as an additional address for a number of years now. It's actually one of my busier addresses because I use it for online courses. Aidan Karley (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Image?
Is it okay if I upload an image of Goatse for the article? I know about the FAQ at the top, but I don't agree- the image fits all the non-free content criteria (it could be a restricted-use image), as far as I can tell. Hop on Bananas (talk) 17:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * For one thing, we don't know if the subject of the image gave consent for the photos to be released. So no, don't reupload it. &mdash;ajf (talk) 20:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but if the image is used under a fair use claim and fits all the FU requirements, it's okay. If the copyright owner asks us to take it down, we might (I'm not sure). Wait, are you talking about personality rights? The subject is dead. Hop on Bananas (talk) 22:47, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, as the subject took the photo and made the website, he gave consent. Hop on Bananas (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Only if consensus is reached at Deletion review. I would advise against it, since I'm not aware that anything has changed since the last review. If you think new information or change in policies since the last review would make it eligible for recreation then start a review with the reasons clearly stated and backed up. As a technicality, the file would be restored rather than a new one uploaded.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  22:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The subject did not necessarily give consent for the image to end up on Wikipedia, and do we actually know that the subject was the author of the site? Regardless, given the sensitive nature of the images, this is ethically dubious. &mdash;ajf (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're saying. The subject is dead and did put up the site (if not that would violate his personality rights, but since he's dead it doesn't matter anymore). Is there some other reason why the image can't be reused? If so, note it in the FAQs at the top of this page. Hop on Bananas (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * I checked it, and the bot got it wrong, so I reverted the edit. &mdash;ajf (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

"Goatse Subdomains" (September 2016) - is this a joke?
I just went to goatee (wondering what it was doing currently), and saw that it has a video entitled "Goatse Subdomains" showing a lawyer-person talking about how Goatse is now offering subdomains.. (it is on YouTube here) I assume this a joke.. But by whom? Jimw338 (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Was there ever action (or attempted) by UK regarding pornography laws there?
Does anyone know if the UK or EU ever tried to take legal actions regarding Goatse? Don't they have stronger laws regarding pornography than the US. Jimw338 (talk) 17:45, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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erection
The image does not reflect if the penis is flaccid or erect. Please remove "erect" from the lede. GreaseballNYC (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * done GreaseballNYC (talk) 22:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Would it violate free licence to have a screenshot of goatse.cx here?
Yes, no?--HalMartin (talk) 04:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I dunno but you could always recreate that famous picture on your own (: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.200.13 (talk) 18:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Name Of Goatse
Seems imagefap.com has a large gallery of goatse images. The gallery is posted by user name Kirk_J. Has the appearance of being posted by the person in the pictures. 98.164.87.100 (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Origin of name?
There is no obvious English-language connection between the image in question and the word goat, but the other day, by sheer chance, I happened upon a poorly drawn cartoon, possibly (from items depicted in the artwork) originating fron Japan or China, with text poorly translated into English somewhat reminiscent of the famous "All your base are belong to us" dialogue. In this translation the word 'goat' was more than once used in a way that suggested it was intended to refer to an anus. I am wondering if there is a language in which the words for 'goat' and 'anus' would be open to such a confusion, so that "goatse" would be an inept translation where "anus see" was roughly what was intended? If so, it might be possible to trace a reliable source for the origin and add it to the article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.2.132 (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Probably not. At the time loads of se.cx domains were used as porn sites, and registering domains with word combinations before anyone else was common practice. So it's more likely some joker got "goat sex" and put a shock picture on it for a laugh. The owner was likely American, the site content and text felt very early internet anarchist American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.14.43 (talk) 01:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

A pun
Goatse.cx... goatsex. 66.66.190.174 (talk) 03:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Greatest Of All Time Sexual Exploitation. An acronym. ☹️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.28.46 (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

loopback.jpg
The site also featured a selfie of a man tucking the foreskin of his large, flaccid penis into his own anus. Nobody talks about this one and it was never preserved by any of the mirrors.

Also there were links to a website called urinalpoop.org which was presumably run by the same author. It was exactly as you would expect. The text was pretty funny.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040607165040/http://www.urinalpoop.org/philosophy/rationale/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.14.43 (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)