Talk:Gobi Desert/Archive 1

Galeritct cristata
Does anyone know anything about "Galeritct cristata"? I tried to spell it in different ways and google for it, but the only hits I got were from Wikipedias article about Gobi. Linn yeh, cooolis ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.225.20 (talk) 06:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * maybe latin GALERIT : ADJ - wearing a hood or skull-cap; ( from http://www.incunabulabooks.com/ibrflatg.htm )

It may be the Crested Lark, Galerida cristata. From :


 * "The Crested lark is found in most countries of continental Europe except Scandinavia. It is also found in north Africa, central Asia as far as eastern India and China and most of the Middle East.


 * "Its favoured habitat is open, dry and relatively flat country with low, sparse vegetation. It doesn't like to feel hemmed in and so is also attracted to areas such as playing fields, railway yards and even harbours provided there are grass seeds available."

Most on-line versions of the 1911 Encyclopaedia were scanned and converted to text files using OCR software which occasionally scrambles words.Tom Radulovich 00:20, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Definately plausible. I'd hate to say, incorrectly, that it was there based on plausiblity.  Anyone have access to an early Encyc. Brit.? Can we otherwise document this bird in the area?  Do we even need to (Will it add anything to the article?)
 * I should point out that I already changed that -4.5 thing based on it seeming likely. TomCerul 19:54, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * The wikipedia article maintains that the Crested Lark's range extends from Portugal to northeast China, which would include the Gobi.
 * The "Mongolia's Wild Heritage" web site lists the Crested Lark as living in the Gobi. Tom Radulovich 00:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for doing the legwork! I'm convinced the bird is there. TomCerul 13:59, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Southwest
by the Tibetan Plateau to the southwest, and by the North China Plain to the southwest. Which one southwest is correct? --Nomad 195.182.95.61 16:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Qinghai?
Is Qinghai part of the Gobi Desert as well? The Chinese provinces that include the Gobi Desert are not spelled out well here. Badagnani 01:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Links
A added a link to the desert article. Finn zee Fox 03:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Gobi Desert
This blabber (from britannica 1911, I assume) talks about all kinds of sandy areas, most of which have nothing at all to do with the Gobi (there's very little sand there anyway). Will there be any loud complaints if I just remove it? That would make room for someone to add specific information about the few sandy patches in the Gobi proper, such as Khongoryn els. --Latebird 07:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Clarify Gobi expansion cost
"This loss of farmland has caused an estimated $50 billion in losses each year for China's economy."

Does this sentence mean that every year that $50 billion more is lost to desertification than the year previously? (Seems high, doesn't it?) Or that $50 billion is lost each year (since some "base" year? Which year would that be?)

Is this the cost of lost farmland production? Or of a number of other factors as well.

A citation would be nice.

Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Mining
I looked on Google Earth and found signs of mining near the great wall. I then did a little searching and found that there has been a mining "boom" in Mongolia; specifically in the Gobi desert. Looks like they are mining gold and copper. Here's 1 of many sources. Just type in gobi desert mine in google and you can find many more sources. http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/14/business/tugrik.php Dreammaker182 (talk) 03:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Mongolian name
My understanding is that govi does not really mean "gravel-covered plain", but rather someting like semidesert, more like what can be seen. I would even argue that it describes a vegetation zone rather than a geological feature. Yaan (talk) 11:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In my understanding Govi means desert/semidesert = winter grazelands with almost no grass in summer, but not a tal (steppe) = summer grazelands with usual summer grass vegetation. In fact tamarix or saxaul bushes are the semidesert/desert indicators and a complex of desertal flora and fauna. Govi definitely includes semidesertal territories too - very often called desert steppes. Dundgovi aimag includes only semideserts (south from its capital Mandalgovi), but named Middle Govi. Sand dunes areas are included in Govi too if are not isolated inside the steppes. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Location
The map does not show the boundaries of the gobi desert --Thomasdelbert 17:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC) The map does not show the boundaries of the gobi desert -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.184.208.1 (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Gogreengal, 24 April 2011
Please add to Gobi desert page the fact that the Bactrian Camel(Camelus ferus) is native to this area. Sources: iucnredlist.org

Gogreengal (talk) 23:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Will think of an appropriate place to put it. Technically already in the section "Conversation, ecology, economy", so I will add it to the lede, which is not enough of a summary. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  00:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Why is Cold desert a redirect to this article?
The page Cold desert is a redirect to Gobi Desert. The Gobi may be a big cold desert, or even the biggest, but it is not the only cold desert. It seems that cold desert should, at the least, redirect to cold desert climate instead, although that itself is only a redirect to a subsection in the desert climate article and would create a double redirect. Ideally a standalone article on the cold desert climate type is needed. Any ideas to fix this in the short term, besides the obvious of creating the cold desert climate article? Darkest tree (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and redirect it to Desert climate . &mdash; Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T)  和  贡献 (C)  02:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, thank you. Darkest tree (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

temperatures
-40 degrees C is not equivalent to -40 degrees F. I suspect the Fahrenheit number is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.175.157 (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * -40 degrees C is equivalent to -40 degrees F, at least according to the formula at Fahrenheit. Yaan (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Fahrenheit should be included. 98.245.148.9 (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why we use the &minus;40 °C template, or Template:Convert. -- HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  00:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

A change of 35 °C is 63 °F, not 95 °F. When converting ranges, you do not add/subtract 32. Bregittko (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 November 2012
Hello. Propose adding the following sentences immediately after '... Oyuu Tolgoi, about 80 kilometers from the Chinese border into Mongolia, are being investigated for development as mining operations.':

'[for development as mining operations.] The Oyu Tolgoi copper and gold mine, under construction by Rio Tinto in the South Gobi Desert, is expected to begin operation in early 2013, and is the biggest economic undertaking in the country's history. Rio Tinto estimates that taxes, royalties and dividends generated by the Oyu Tolgoi project is expected to add a third to the country's gross domestic product by 2020. Rio Tinto forecasts average annual production of 450,000 tonnes of copper and 330,000 ounces of gold, and with 1.4 billion tonnes of reserves and a resource of 3.1 billion tonnes, the mine is expected to last for more than 50 years. [source: http://www.riotinto.com/ourproducts/21018_oyu_tolgoi.asp, accessed 20 Nov 2012]

The mine has been and remains controversial. There is significant opposition in Mongolia's parliament to the terms under which the mine will proceed, and some are calling for the terms to be renegotiated. Specifically, the contention revolves primarily around the question of whether negotiations were fair (Rio Tinto is far better resourced) and whether Rio Tinto will pay adequate taxes on the revenues it derives from the mine (an agreement was reached whereby the operation will be exempt from windfall tax. [source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-20/rio-to-open-mammoth-mongolian-mine/4381178, accessed 20 Nov 2012]'

Mr Pyjama (talk) 01:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thank you! Vacation nine 02:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 December 2012
i want to edit this information please. I am a Professor at a college and i majored in geography all over the world.

Sincerely nickypro. Nickypro (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2015
8 Curiosiy

Reinhold Messner, in 2004 to almost 60 years , was the first man to cross it on foot , instead Paolo Pirozzi , in 2007 , was the first man to cross riding a motorcycle , a Ducati Multistrada 620 as standard.

9 Notes

79.26.166.80 (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015
Hi I just went there and need to add something.

174.26.49.38 (talk) 22:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2016
the gobi is not a cold desert!

71.60.211.118 (talk) 13:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - with an annual mean temperature below freezing, it certainly is - Arjayay (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017
2603:3023:315:C000:5407:99F5:F2FB:51C1 (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC) talk about genkis khan using camels to bear children for him
 * ❌ - that Genghis Khan used camels to carry children during his campaign is both unhelpful trivia, and off-topic. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Dinosaurs
A link is needed to the Wikipedia article about Flaming Cliffs. Plus information that some dinosaur fossils did not have to be excavated, they were visible on the ground - ALWAYS. "The Americans - Dr. Michael J. Novacek, Dr. Mark Norell and Dr. Malcolm McKenna - returned saying that the Gobi Desert remains much as the Andrews explorers left it: virtually uninhabited except for a few nomads living in the circular tents they call yurts and still brimming with fossils, many of them lying on the ground or clearly visible in the faces of sandstone walls." http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/31/science/after-60-years-scientists-return-to-fossil-paradise-of-the-gobi.html?pagewanted=allMarcin862 (talk) 11:28, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Dinosaur eggs: Several sources confirm that dinosaur eggs were discovered in France in 1859, well before the Gobi discovery cited in this article as the first discovery of dinosaur eggs. (See, for example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/who-was-the-first-to-discover-dinosaur-eggs-90777200; https://nature.ca/notebooks/english/dinoeggs.htm) Holyhegemony (talk) 02:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this map accurate?

 * The map in this article labels the Plateau of Tibet as "Himalaya." Is this an error? Jarble (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Added Globalize section template to European explorers
I believe this section is exhibiting systemic bias by focusing specifically on European explorers and would be improved by being renamed to External explorers and including explorers of non-European origin. Accordingly, I have added the template. Thisisnotatest (talk) 09:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

History
This section deserves much more. I'll try and compile sources for it. Feel free to message me with any sources to consider. I'll study them. Karen-bmi30 (talk) 23:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, I’ve added some information about the Prehistory of the Gobi, but I wasn’t able to find much about history since then. Have you found anything? Godelieve Bedoya (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)