Talk:God of War (franchise)/Archive 1

editing
Done a lot of editing to this page. Most of the stuff on the page was copied from the main Wikipedia articles for the games. JDC808 (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Playstation 3 versions/God of war collection
The God of war collection has been confirmed today, it is a collection of God of war 1 and 2, featuring trophies and updated graphics. Someone who is well versed and proffesional at editing Wikipedia should add details about this. Here are some sources: http://www.destructoid.com/incredible-god-of-war-collection-announced-for-ps3-146900.phtml http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/31/god-of-war-collection-blu-ray-disc-compilation-available-this-holiday-season/ --Olifromsolly (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1up citation
With regards to the recent edits which add a sales figure based on this link, here is why it is not valid as a citation. First, while the blog format does not necessarily mean that a source is invalid, the rule at Wikipedia is that they aren't valid (with a few exceptions such as the official PlayStation blogs, or journalistic blogs such as Joystiq or Kotaku). Blogs of known reliable sources (be they persons or organisations) are valid, depending on the content of course.

Even ignoring for a second that it is a blog though, it is not a valid source. It is stating sales figures but neither gives a source for those figures nor methodology behind where they came from. If they are quoting an official source (such as Sony) or they are an official source, then the figure can be trusted. As far as we know, they are neither of these. If they are quoting a professional sales tracking agency (NPD or similar) or are such an agency, then their figures can be used, but with a pinch of salt. As far as we know, they are neither of these either. As it stands, the linked page gives no source for the figures and simply states them as fact. Do you know the author didn't make them up? No. Do you know if they originate from a proven unreliable source (such as VGChartz)? No. As such, we cannot accept the figures as fact.

 Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 20:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I apologise for reverting the second edit; it wasn't intentional. That said, the "Remastered in High Definition" statement that was added was uncited anyway, and should have been placed after the citation for "Classics HD" (the way it was implied that the citation proved either the whole sentence or the "Remastered in High Definition" bit, rather than just the Classics HD bit).  Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

God of War® Collection vs. God of War®: Collection
A recent set of edits by an anon IP (173.81.132.218) saw all occurrences of God of War Collection in the article changed to God of War: Collection (with a colon). I have reverted these changes, but have now noticed that the US PlayStation blog and US PlayStation website both refer to it as God of War®: Collection. I have the game/collection, and both the spine and the manual clearly refer to it as God of War® Collection; it also shows up as God of War® Collection on the XMB. However, mine is the UK/PAL version, so I'm thinking perhaps the title differs between the regions (with the North American version called God of War®: Collection (with a colon) and the UK/EU/PAL version called God of War® Collection (no colon)), especially as it is listed as such on the UK PlayStation website. Could anybody who has the NA version check this?  Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 22:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Good pickup. It would appear to be a minor grammatical difference. Do we get down to micro-details like this in articles or not worry? I will abide by your opinion. 125.7.71.6 (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't think it's worth a huge mention, but if accurate (at this point it is only a theory on y part as I don't have a copy of the NA version) I think it would be best if all mentions were changed to the NA version (since it's an SCEA developed game), with a note at the beginning about the PAL naming, if only to avoid confusion and people coming in and stripping the colon.  Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 09:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * When the collection was first added, it had the colon, but due to a few websites posting it without a colon, we changed it to reflect that. But then there's those websites you pointed out that have it with. I'll go home this evening and look at mine which is the NA version. JDC808 (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

No colon on NA version. 129.71.208.91 (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

New Table
While this section and table:

God of War installments
There have been six games released in the God of War series. Four games were developed by SCE Santa Monica Studio, and two were developed by Ready at Dawn. One was also developed by Javaground.

Released titles of the series
is a good effort, it is leaning towards WP:GAMECRUFT. There is another discussion here that may help in understanding the rationale. Regards Thebladesofchaos (talk) 01:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that it was a good effort and if the games were not already on the page as they are right now, I would say keep it. But since we already have each game (in release order like the table) already on the page with brief summaries for each, there's no need for the table. JDC808 (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Logo
Someone removed the logo of the franchise and put instead the image of the new game. This must be removed as long as the game is having its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travsam (talk • contribs) 20:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. Hounder4  (Talk)  20:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Parenthesis issue
The parenthesis are unnecessary as it's the exact same information, only difference is you're putting parenthesis around the abilities. It has been stated that parenthesis are unnecessary and break up the prose. They should be minimally used.

Also, how was my comment uncivil? I made an observational statement. JDC808 (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Games section
Around the time of the announcement of Ascension, some edits by Tintor2 have completely redone the Games section. About 2-3 years ago, me, Thebladesofchaos, and there might have been another user, decided upon the format that is currently on the page which has the games sub-sectioned in their release order with a very brief summary of each game. The only exception to this was with the two collections as they were separate releases, but it would be pointless to make an article for both as both pretty much already have two articles (articles can be made for them, but in my opinion, it would be pointless when they can be sub-sectioned here). There are other game series on Wikipedia that have a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they are doing just fine. JDC808 (talk) 17:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Bluerim, you're claiming that your revision avoids warping the middle. What exactly are you meaning? Reading over your revision, it's almost the same thing, the biggest difference is that the revision I'm arguing for has sub-sections for the games and the revision you're arguing for does not (there's also information differences, e.g. rewording or removing some info with your revision). Like I said in my above post, there are other video game series on Wikipedia that are using a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they're doing just fine. JDC808 (talk) 22:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, awkward spacing and white spaces. The only awkward spacing I saw was with the image, which I fixed. The white spaces? If you're talking about the white spaces that comes from the sub-sections, what's the big deal with that? Every article that has sub-sections is gonna have that white space between the sub-sections. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the white space between sub-sections. It actually makes it easier to read each section. Also, thoroughly read through your edits. JDC808 (talk) 04:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Came here from the message at WT:VG. From an outside perspective, I think the numerous subsection headings under "Games" break up the flow of the section too much. Take a look at some featured video game series articles (like Kingdom Hearts and Mana (series)) for some inspiration about how to approach this issue. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The Kingdom Hearts page is actually kinda similar, except it doesn't use sub-sections for each game. On the Mana page, I'm not too crazy over the box. I could totally settle on removing the sub-sections, in favor of doing it like the Kingdom Hearts page. If we do in fact do that, I suggest we make two sub-sections under "Games". The first could be titled "Individual games" or something like that and put all the games in their release order like the Kingdom Hearts page does, and the second sub could be titled "Collections" and put the two collections in that section. JDC808 (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That division between individual and collection games sounds reasonable. I say go for it. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, cool. I can do that here in a little bit. JDC808 (talk) 03:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Now this - - is worth a look. Bluerim (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

As provided by Axem Titanium above, the bolding of the games in Games are modeled after Kingdom Hearts which is a Featured Article. -- JDC808  ♫  01:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

A-Class assessment
Requesting assessment for A-Class. -- JDC808  ♫  05:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I support.--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Removed content
I removed this from 'Music' as extraneous detail: The second track, "Shattering the Skies Above" by Trivium, and the bonus track, "Even Gods Cry" by The Turtlenecks, were made into music videos. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Other appearances
Removed section; article is not about Kratos, it is about the series of games. This subject is covered in Kratos (God of War): Kratos has been featured as a playable character in five other PlayStation games outside the God of War series. These include Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (with "Clubs of Chaos"), a DLC costume for LittleBigPlanet (also included Medusa and Minotaur costumes, and a level sticker kit), Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny (with own stage), ModNation Racers (with "Kart of Chaos"), and the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita versions of Mortal Kombat (including own stage with three stage fatalities). Kratos will appear as a playable character in the upcoming crossover fighting game, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (with God of War inspired stages, mixed with other games). Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Music
Removed track listing; extraneous information - article is about game series, not spin-off media products, where this sort of thing would be better placed.

Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

'Creators' section of infobox
Can we have a consensus on whether the creator field should have the creator of each game as a list or the creator of the series overall? There is a small disagreement between editors about which should be present. Samwalton9 (talk) 23:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The Creator field should be the person or developer credited with creating the series, not the games. This usually would be the first game's creator, and definitely would be the case here. The individual developers can be listed in the Developer field. --M ASEM (t) 00:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've commented out the extra info, if it belongs somewhere else can someone move it there? I wasn't sure it fit the developer field for this article. Apologies to Lemaroto for reverting your edit. Samwalton9 (talk) 00:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't fit the Developer field for this article, which is a reason why they were listed under creators, since they each had a hand in creating this series. -- JDC808  ♫  03:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Moved to God of War (franchise) per discussion and consensus. --  Dane talk  02:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

God of War (series) → God of War (video game series) – WP:CONCISE. There is a God of War (TV series) article. Rob Sinden (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:36, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support God of War (franchise) per below suggestion of user JDC808. nom . Randy Kryn 13:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC) (modified 20:14 3 March 2017)
 * Support per nom. (and why would do other video game series articles have "series" as a disambiguator when that is meaningless?) In ictu oculi (talk) 13:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: What do you mean by it's meaningless? A lot just have "series" because they don't need a more specific disambiguator. And generally, the first game in the series is also the name of the series so the game gets the "video game" disambiguator while the series gets "series". -- JDC808  ♫  06:27, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that "series" is insufficient as a disambiguator on its own. A TV series always has "TV series" as a disambiguator.  However, novel series are treated more haphazardly.  See Category:Novel series.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The naming convention for video game series states that "series" is the preferable disambiguator unless there's a conflict where "video game series" would be necessary. If you think that all video game series should have the disambiguator of "video game series" regardless, that is something to be taken up with the WP:VG project. -- JDC808  ♫  19:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move per nom.  ONR  (talk) 18:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Countermove: As the primary editor of these articles, I was about to oppose until I saw that there is a TV series article (which I had no idea about). Instead of "God of War (video game series)", how about "God of War (franchise)", since there's more to this series than just video games. It's a move I have considered in the past just never did it. -- JDC808  ♫  19:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd oppose this suggestion. The only other media seems to have been a six-issue comic book.  A single spin-off doesn't really constitute a multimedia franchise.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Then you misread. There were also two novels, a web-based graphic novel, documentaries, a film that's in development, and lots of different merchandise, such as artwork and the games' soundtracks (including a heavy metal album of original music by different bands who were inspired by the series). -- JDC808  ♫  19:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * None of which have articles, and the film isn't even in production. It's a video game series with spinoff media, not a multimedia franchise.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree, as this fits the bill for media franchise. And not having articles shouldn't have a bearing on the issue. -- JDC808  ♫  21:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not having an article could lead one to infer that these elements aren't independently notable. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Lack of notability doesn't mean the other stuff doesn't exist, and it's not really a notability issue as to why they don't have their own articles; they were more easily incorporated into a parent article. But as to my previous point, this fits the bill for media franchise. -- JDC808  ♫  16:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support some move. It's obviously needed, as the current title is ambiguous and should point to the dab page. Either God of War (video game series) or God of War (franchise) would do; "(video game series)" is more WP:PRECISE and WP:CONSISTENT with other articles in Category:Video game franchises in cases where "series" won't do, while "(franchise)" is more WP:CONCISE and is used in some articles like Mario (franchise). I personally have a preference for the former, as it's totally unambiguous and better fits the WP:CRITERIA (yes, there are comics and other things, but as said above, this is still primarily a video game series with spinoff merchandising).--Cúchullain t/ c 14:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


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