Talk:God the Father in Western art

Jesus as God
The article needs to be more careful about early depictions of God looking like Jesus. It cannot be assumed that the figure represented is intended to be understood as Jesus; obviously Trinitarian theology allows the possibility that all 3 persons could have the same appearance, which was used by early artists, and in the 15th century. The article is somewhat underlinked, and does not distinguish clearly between the divergent Catholic & Orthodox traditions. God the Father can be seen in some late Byzantine Cretan school images, & ones from the borders of the Catholic & Orthodox worlds, but after the Russian EOC came down firmly against depicting him, he can hardly be seen in Russian art. Johnbod (talk) 15:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please go ahead and fix the suitable sentences therein. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Modern
Hey John, Obviously, I stopped writing after I got to Baroque. Maybe you/we want to think about what happened after that. I put in an image from LA Cathedral from 1920s, as I went along but that is all there is...

By the way, regarding your question about Ferguson, here i sth epage if you want to see what he said next: History2007 (talk) 07:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks, but where does the bit about the 10th century come from? As regards the modern period, after roughly 1800, or even 1700, here as in most areas, the traditional iconography largely stops developing, but individual artists use all sorts of individual depictions that usually don't achieve much of a following among other artists, so it is hard to say much. William Blake should probably be mentioned. Marc Chagall I suppose pioneered the full figure God grom a Jewish perspective. Gustav Doré used a Tres Belles Heures-type figure a lot.  In the 18th century I think God became more commonly depicted, perhaps under the influence of Deism and the like - a change I think not confined to art.  Johnbod (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * That came from here: James Cornwell, 2009 Saints, Signs, and Symbols: The Symbolic Language of Christian Art page 2. . I think you should just add what you typed above as a small section at the end anyway. Will not hurt. History2007 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Title
There's The Trinity in art, Holy Spirit in Christian art, and several pages about Jesus in Christian art. We might do better to leave this one at God the Father in Western art. Tom Harrison Talk 18:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Better than the other certainly, though as we are never likely to need God the Father in Eastern art, but do cover or touch on Byzantine art, just God the Father in art would be best. "Depictions of God in Western Christianity" is of course highly ambiguous. Johnbod (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, God the Father in art would be better yet. Tom Harrison Talk 19:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Orthodox vs Catholic etc
This article is very unclear how the use or otherwise of images differed between Christian Churches. Despite the key role played in culture by religious pronouncements, we are left guessing which artists or movements worked under which religious influence. How did Catholic and Orthodox practices compare down the ages, and what about the nonconformists? 83.104.46.71 (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Western art" essentially means Catholic art, but Catholic (yes, eventually) and Orthodox (no, or very rarely) practices are covered, as is early Protestant disapproval. There isn't really enough Nonconformist church art to comment on, apart from book illustrations I suppose. I've added a bit to the lead anyway. Johnbod (talk) 02:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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