Talk:Goddard High School (Kansas)

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• Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  23:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Misc
This article is in need of some cleanup and some expansion in order to meet the guidlines for a wikipedia article. If this is not possible, please nominate for speedy deletion. Flibbert (talk) 19:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability
This school cannot be nominated for speedy deletion. Schools are inherently notable. Plus, notable alumne and home page prove it's existence. Undeath (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Why does the primary sources tag not apply, and can you point to the decision that stipulates that? If true, it seems to be a rather large hole in the Reliable sources policy]]. Pairadox (talk) 06:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, there is a primary source which is the home page. Second. There is no rule, for schools, that states that a third party source is needed. Think about it this way, how many high schools are published in third party sources. I know there are a lot of them, but there are schools that are not. That is why third party sources do not apply to school articles. The main page is sufficient to prove the existence. Reliability can be proven with a google search for the school or just by looking over the web page. If you have more questions/comments/concerns, just ask. I'm going to sleep now though. Undeath (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure there is; it's the same one that applies to every other article on Wikipedia, WP:RS. Your "Think about it this way" logic doesn't make any sense because you could substitute the word "business" or "church" or "band" and the same would be true. That doesn't exempt them from the need for reliable third party sources, the core of Verifiability. Pairadox (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at WP:SCL for the guidelines. There is no rule about third party sources. Undeath (talk) 12:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * A proposed notability guideline does not supercede the policy on verifiability. Pairadox (talk) 12:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The "policy" does not cover any bit of schools in WP:N. WP:SCL is what is always quoted on AfD school debates and that is why the AfD is always a Keep. I understand that there are some made up schools, but with schools that are proven to exist, they are notable without discussion. If they were not notable, there would only be a few schools listed on wikipedia because only a select few have published third party sources. Undeath (talk) 13:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * (extend) Why not simply use the available material and work on the article? This school has more than 300 hits on Nexis - surely there is material here to work with, to establish notability without invoking the (silly) proposed guideline. (Use Google News, if you don't have access to Nexis.) Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was trying to understand the claim that the primary sources tag cannot be used on school articles but haven't yet gotten a satisfactory answer. Instead there's been reference to a proposed notability guideline, some vague mention of AfD debates, and no response to the questions about Verifiability, as though WP:N somehow renders WP:V null and void. I don't buy it. Pairadox (talk) 02:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree - I should have been more clear, my suggestion was directed more to Undeath, who seems to have more of an interest in the article itself. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late response. I just got done with a wrestling tournament. First off, I'm not "interested" in this article. I am only disagreeing with the WP:N vs WP:SCL. Technically, 90% of schools could be tagged with the non notable tag, as could most cities and places. The fact that I am trying to state, is that schools/places are inherently notable. 64.71.125.49 (talk) 03:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A PRIMARY SOURCES TAG? Geez, I feel like I'm trying to communicate with a brick wall. Pairadox (talk) 09:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you do not change your tone, you will not recieve an answer from me either. The primary sources tag deals with OR. The article has no quoted information from the primary source nor does it contain any statistics from the primary source. The notable alumni was added from information dealing with another article/source. Undeath (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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The band stuff
Someone really needs to take most of that crap about the band out of this article. I went to this school back in the day, so I know there are many more things to this school other than the band. I also know that over 3/4 of those "accomplishments" listed are not notable competitions, just local stuff. If the list isn't cleaned up soon, I'll clean it up. In other words, I'll delete every thing on that list that is not connected with a notable competition. (Notability standards people, it's not hard...) Undead Warrior (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Here is all the stuff taken out of the band section.

Goddard High School Lion Pride Marching Band
 * 1998/1999- 2nd Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands
 * 1999/2000- 1st Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands, NEEWOLLAH Marching Band Festival I Rating
 * 2000/2001- 1st Field Show, 2nd Place Parade Band at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl, 3rd Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands, NEEWOLLAH Marching Band Festival I Rating
 * 2001/2002- 1st Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands, NEEWOLLAH Marching Band Festival I Rating
 * 2002/2003- 3rd Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands, Heart of America Marching Band Festival I Rating
 * 2003/2004- 2nd Place in Class at Catoosa Tournament of Bands, 2nd in Class at Maple Leaf Marching Band Festival, Kansas Music Educators Association Convention
 * 2004/2005- Grand Champion Field Show, 2nd Place Parade Band at San Diego Holiday Bowl, Outstanding Band Front(Color Guard) & Outstanding Drum Majors Amanda Nguyen & C.J. Longabaugh at San Diego Holiday Bowl, 8th Place overall at Blue Valley Tiger Invitational Marching Festival, 8th Place overall at Catoosa Tournament of Bands,
 * 2005/2006- 7th in Class at Putnam City Marching Classic, I Rating at Central States Marching Festival
 * 2006/2007- 4th Place at Heart of America Marching Festival, 5th Place at Blue Valley Tiger Invitational Marching Festival, 6th Place at JAMA Midwest Regional Championship
 * 2007/2008- 4th Place at Heart of America Marching Festival, "Superior Rating" at Central States Marching Festival, 8th Place overall at Putnam City Marching Classic,
 * 2008/2009- "Superior Rating" at Central States Marching Festival, 8th Place in Class at Broken Arrow Marching Festival, 7th Place overall Putnam City Marching Classic, 2nd Place Parade Band, Outstanding Band Front(Color Guard), Grand Champion Field Show at Outback Bowl,
 * 2009-2010- 3rd Place overall at Heart of America Marching Festival, Broken Arrow Marching Festival, Putnam City Marching Classic

Goddard High School Lion Pride Marching Band Bands of America appearances
 * 2000/2001- Regional at Houston, Texas
 * 2001/2002- Regional at Arlington, Texas- 3rd in Class
 * 2002/2003- Regional at Arlington, Texas- 6th in Class
 * 2003/2004- Regional at Indianapolis, Indiana- 13th in Class
 * 2004/2005- Super Regional at San Antonio, Texas- 10th in Class
 * 2005/2006- Super Regional at San Antonio, Texas- 5th in Class

Goddard High School Lion Pride Jazz Ensemble I
 * 2000/2001- Grand Champion Jazz Ensemble at Disney Electric Light Parade
 * 2004/2005- 2nd Place Jazz Ensemble, Outstanding Jazz Soloist Jason Roberts at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2008/2009- Grand Champion Jazz Ensemble, Outstanding Jazz Soloist Richard Paugh at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009/2010- I Rating at Friends University Jazz Festival, I Rating at Big "D" Festival

Goddard High School Lion Pride Jazz Ensemble II
 * 2004/2005- 1st Place in Class Jazz Ensemble at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2008/2009- 1st Place in Class Jazz Ensemble at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009-2010- II Rating at Friends University Jazz Festival, II Rating at Big "D" Festival

Goddard High School Lion Pride Symphonic Wind Ensemble
 * 2000/2001- 2nd Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2003/2004- Kansas Music Educators Association Convention
 * 2004/2005- II Rating at State Large Group, 2nd Place in Class at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2007/2008- I Rating at State Large Group
 * 2008/2009- I Rating at State Large Group, Grand Champion at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009/2010- I Rating at State Large Group

Goddard High School Lion Pride Symphonic Band
 * 2004/2005- I Rating at State Large Group, 2nd Place in Class at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2007/2008- I Rating at State Large Group
 * 2008/2009- 1st Place in Class at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009/2010- II Rating at State Large Group

Goddard High School Lion Pride String Orchestra
 * 2004/2005- I Rating at State Large Group
 * 2007/2008- I Rating at State Large Group
 * 2008/2009- I Rating at State Large Group, 1st Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009/2010- I Rating at State Large Group, II Rating at Big "D" Festival

Goddard High School Lion Pride Full Orchestra
 * 2007/2008- I Rating at State Large Group
 * 2008/2009- II Rating at State Large Group, 1st Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2009/2010- I Rating at State Large Group, II Rating at Big "D" Festival

Goddard High School Lion Pride Concert Percussion
 * 2000/2001- 1st Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2004/2005- 1st Place at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2008/2009- 1st Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl

Goddard High School Lion Pride Marching Percussion
 * 2000/2001- 2nd Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl
 * 2004/2005- 1st Place at San Diego Holiday Bowl
 * 2005/2006- 1st Place indoor, 2nd in Finals Competition at Putnam City Marching Classic
 * 2008/2009- 1st Place at Tampa Bay Outback Bowl

Now, I just copied and pasted this back over into the talk page. Here is what needs to be done, and I'll even do this once I get the time: Take this information and make a table out of it. You can see the sports table right? Well, this needs to look the same way. In other words, stop listing competitions over and over again, especially when they are the same competitions every year. Just put the name of the competition in one slot, the number of times won in another, and the years won in another slot. That makes it look a lot neater. Now, I know a lot of the band people at Goddard will try and put this back in the article, please be forewarned that this will be considered vandalism. I used to go to school there years ago, so I remember how the band is. (Trust me, I played in it) If you have questions about this, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Undead Warrior (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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