Talk:Goderich, Ontario

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this is the first town to pop up when you type in "small town ontario" or "small town canada" into google.

It is completely incorrect that the plans for The Square were intended for Guelph, information adjusted. Jwagar 20:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I am from this small town, nicknames G-dot, Godrock, etc. by the youth. I have read that Guelph's current road problems stem from the fact that the city planners of Guelph used the plan for Goderich to design Guelph, can anyone back this up.

Godrock born and raised--Jadger 20:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

wow ya the Big...i mean small-G...wow

Steven Truscott as a Goderich "notable person"
Even though obviously there is a lot of difficult feelings centred around Steven Truscott's conviction, especially in the Goderich and Clinton area, I removed him from the Goderich notable persons section for a couple of reasons. First of all, Truscott is not a Goderich 'native' in any sense,which is what is implied by inclusion in the category, he wasn't born there and apart from several months spent there during his trial and while he was imprisoned in the community, he has no connection to Goderich. Perhaps more importantly, I removed his name from the list because he has expressed on several occasions how much he personally and deeply dislikes Goderich Ontario, which all things considered, is fairly understandable, he's probably the last person in the world who would want to be seen as being "from" Goderich. Truscott was born in Vancouver,has resided in Guelph Ontario for decades and of course Vanastra Ontario was where he lived when the infamous events took place, in my opinion, any one of those three communities has a viable claim to list him as a "notable person" in their articles. Steven Truscott is already mentioned in the Goderich article, and should a "crime" or social history section for the community ever be written, he would certainly legitimately belong in it. Deconstructhis 19:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Beach Quality and Cori MacKinnon
Actually Jadger, I happen to agree with you in terms of where Goderich should be placed on a list of "quality" beaches on the east side of Lake Huron. Anyone who knows the region well understands that there are much better one's available not far away if someone wants to spend an afternoon by the water. On the other hand, that being said, I think that folks should have the opportunity to provide a reference from a mainstream source demonstrating that Goderich beach is highly regarded by Lake Huron beach goers in general. I think the same opportunity should be provided in terms of Cori MacKinnon's appearance in the "notable persons" section as well. If someone can provide a reference to a biography indicating that she is from Goderich, then in my opinion she should stay. With all due respect, the fact that you claim to "know her personally" has as little relevence on Wikipedia as our mutually shared opinion that Goderich is not "known for the quality of its beaches". It's even possible that MacKinnon herself claims Goderich as her "hometown" on a bio somewhere. Deconstructhis 22:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I understand I cant reference knowing her personally, and I can't use facebook as a source, but she is not from here, her CNTM profile says so, she is from Sudbury area. and her name is Corinne, Cori is just her stage name for the show. She lived in Goderich for her highschool years, but moved back to Val Caron, Ontario (near Sudbury). As one can see here  from her CNTM profile. As for the beaches, I know they barely qualified like 2 or 3 years ago for "blue flag" or whatever, a rating system for beaches.


 * --Jadger 02:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Nicknames" Section
I'm sorry, I'm having a *big* problem buying any of these as 'legitimate' nicknames for the community of Goderich Ontario, I think, for the most part, this entire section is bogus. One of them appears to have been coined as a result of a single joking comment in a conversation between a local DJ and the local member of parliament, that's not a nickname that's a radio sound bite, The Big Apple for New York City, that's a nickname. For the purposes of an online encyclopedia like Wikipedia, which can be read all over the world, information about a given small community has to have a real basis in fact, readers in other parts of the globe have no way of crosschecking whether or not a particular piece of information is only slightly misleading, or simply just made up, which is what I suspect is the case with both "Windy Town" and "G-Dot". Community nicknames aren't just particular phrases that a tiny number of even the local population would even recognise, they don't exist and are applied simply because someone heard something once on the radio, or a single local person makes something up because they think it sounds "cool" or appropriate and use it amongst their friends for laughs. Unless a nickname actually does have widespread usage in a given community and at least some historical depth to that use, in my opinion, it may be amusing to some, but it's misleading to use it in Wikipedia for a general reader. Unless full citations are provided for this section in the future, I'm prepared to remove all of it. Comments are always welcome.

Deconstructhis 02:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that section should be removed. There's been discussion about nicknames for other towns, including an especially touchy one at Talk:Scarborough, Ontario. We should certainly require citations for nicknames if they are to be included here. Mind  matrix  14:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

They are all legitimate and used nicknames for Goderich. If you have facebook, there are a number of public groups, notably the group You know you're from Goderich when... has as #5 on the list: You know you're from Goderich when... You refer to Goderich as Gdot or Godrock and expect people to know what you're talking about. Or another group using another not-so-common nickname Guys & Girls that like to hit "The G-Spot"

--216.110.236.243 (talk) 03:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

As it was pointed out in this section when discussing this issue back in September, both of the nickmames you have submitted lack substantiation from reliable sources and so can not be included in the encyclopedia. Information found on social networking sites such as Facebook are specifically excluded by policy for use as a references on Wikipedia. Please be advised that it is not considered good practice to threaten an "edit war" with others on Wikipedia in order to achieve an editing objective you have in mind in an encyclopedia article, as you did in your previous edit summary. Only properly referenced material is acceptable for inclusion in Wikipedia and any editor can remove information at any time that does not conform to this policy. Thank you. Deconstructhis (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you could show me a "reliable source" for the town of Goderich, such as a scholarly history book. Point is, there are very few if any reputable sources on this location, as it is not very notable.  Not to mention the fact that scholarly, reputable sources won't be concerned with nicknames in the first place.  Or perhaps you could show me a reliable source that uses "the big apple" more than it does "New York City". Why is a scholarly source needed for something that will never be touched on? Should we require a reputable source to prove that you exist also user:Decontructthis?


 * So basically you're claiming I've made a giant internet conspiracy and invented many people who live in Goderich and call it Goderich. And if so, all other uncited information must also be stripped from this page then right?... gotcha, i'll do that now, just because I want to steal all your fun and know what it feels like to delete other people's hard work.  All you have to do is a google search for "godrock ontario" and you will see a plethora of uses of the term.  Why are you so stuck on this nickname for a town? is it against your religious viewpoint?


 * --216.110.236.243 (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia reliable sources and here also perfectly clears it up that it is indeed allowed to be included in the article.


 * --216.110.236.243 (talk) 04:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no objection to mentioning in the main body of the article either one of the nicknames I removed as some sort of "hip hop" designator for the community, *provided* a "reliable" reference is supplied. Using them as some sort of "official" nickname for Goderich at the top of the page, while citing a blog as a source, is inappropriate in my opinion.Deconstructhis (talk) 17:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Demographics
Hey, I just added a bit about the demographics. I got it all from Stats Canada aswell. I was wondering though if anyone could find the sheet that says the ethnic backgrounds of the people who live in Goderich. I saw it on Sates Canada site before, but I can't find it anymore. If anyone could help expand the demographics, I would really appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.46.141.18 (talk) 02:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Try the 2001 data. That data isn't due out for 2006 until April 2008:  --Jdeboer (talk) 01:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

'Citation Needed'
I'm looking at this page and I can't get over how many 'Citation NeedeD's there are...the thing i like about Wikipedia is that it allows people to write their own encyclopedia based on THEIR KNOWLEDGE, but by adding numerous 'Citation Needed's, you're limited what one can say. Most of this info that has 'Citation Needed' is from local knowledge, Goderich is a samll, unimportant town to the global picture, so it's immposible to find reliable info on it, besides the town folk who have lived in the town their life. such things as Tiger Dunolp, that info is 100% undeniable truth, the twon sports memorial placks around the town, near the beach, etc in support of the history. Wikipedia is an awesome site that makes local knowledge accesable to the global picture, and by constantly adding 'Citation Needed', you're making Goderich look like nothing but a lie...I'm deleting all the 'Citation Needed' where i see fit, i've lived in G-Dot my whole life, so don't bother re-adding the 'Citation Needed' BS... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.211.27 (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't dictate to other editors not to add such tags. They've been introduced for a reason. Local lore does not trump these requirements. Given that Goderich has its own media, archives etc., it is quite possible to find sources to support the claims. Until such sources are added, the "citation needed" tags stay. I've partially reverted your change, having kept out a few of the truly un-necessary tags. Moreover, the existence of these tags does not make "Goderich look like nothing but a lie", it makes this article a weakly referenced work. Mind  matrix  19:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

If you consult the nicknames and history sections, it's tempting to think that the placement of the majority of the "citation needed" tags are actually a retaliatory result of a disagreement that I personally had with another editor last fall regarding their inclusion of the nicknames "g-dot" and "god-rock" for Goderich Ontario. The editor supported their validity as nicknames for the community by citing sources such as facebook and a personal blog, neither of which are considered appropriate sources for Wikipedia purposes. When I took them to task for that, subsequently the editor placed the numerous citation request tags in the article, apparently as a means of attempting to 'demonstrate' to me that in fact ANY information in the encyclopedia is challengable and thus open to question. I'm in agreement that the more valid citations that a given article contains, the more credible that particular article can be, but in this instance I suspect that the original intention of the editor who placed the numerous requests wasn't really much more than them trying to "punish" me for challenging their lack of proper citations for the nicknames they had posted. Some of their tags actually have some merit in my mind and would in fact add to the overall value of the article, quite a few others in my opinion border on the ridiculous. It's only because I've been short of time lately and I think that edit wars on Wikipedia are incredibily boring that I haven't followed up on this. In the next little while, I'm prepared to take this issue up the ladder and attempt to get an actual formal decision regarding the situation from the proper Wikipedia authorities in the hopes of settling it once and for all. Deconstructhis (talk) 00:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Prettiest Town in Canada
I see the 'Prettiest Town in Canada' quote needs a citation. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the source material; however, I have seen promoters of the town use the slogan as early as the 1900s-1910s which would predate QEII. --Jdeboer (talk) 08:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course, this could be one of those urban legends that's modified by each successive generation, becoming ingrained in the lore of the town, and becoming a commonly-known "fact". Then again, it's also possible that some member of the royal family said this, but the grapevine has distorted the circumstances in some way - either the actual message, the speaker, etc. Mind  matrix  17:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

so are you saying we have to get the royal family back to Goderich juts to say it again, its common knowledge that it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.211.27 (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, we just need to find a reference for the claim. To put it in perspective, it's common knowledge that Toronto was declared the most multicultural city in the world by the UN; this urban legend has been disproven. Mind  matrix  16:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

ok, well, come to Goderich, i'll show you around and show you all the monuments to Tiger Dunlod, show you some older people who WERE around when the Queen claimed Goderich to be the preetiest town.....how is it so hard to believe that the town knows more about itself then people who have never visted it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.130.211.27 (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Rename page

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move. Mind matrix  15:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: I've since found an article about a town in Sierra Leone which is at least as notable, so WP:PRIMARYUSAGE doesn't apply. I've reversed the page move. Mind matrix  00:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Rename: Goderich, Ontario → Goderich

This page should be renamed per the criteria at WP:CANSTYLE. It appears to be the primary use of the term Goderich, and an internet search for the term, excluding the term "Ontario" to find occurrences not related to this town, yields numerous hits, of which the first 100 are almost all related to the town. Mind matrix  13:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support as nominator. Mind  matrix  13:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per CANSTYLE, clear primary use, currently Goderich redirects to Goderich, Ontario; dab not needed. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Prettiest Town"
If it is so pretty, why is there not a single photo to show how pretty it is?--174.119.145.37 (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

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Acquisition of Champion Road Machinery by Volvo AB - wrong year
In section - Industry - Heavy Equipment: The plant was acquired by Volvo AB in 1997

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