Talk:Godspeed You! Black Emperor

Minor Recollection
As far as I recall, Aidan Girt was not a member of the Trapt, but he was associated with the members. I believe he was in a different group at that time, God's Gift or something similar to that. -anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.237.78 (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Progressive rock
In the Progressive Rock page, there's a mention of whether the band should be considered Progressive Rock. Seeing as it includes many of the same conventions, should it be? -Anonymous

Band image
Image request was successful! Thank you, Tothebarricades.tk --Paulo Oliveira 00:13, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd love to have an image of them performing. Could such photographs qualify as fair use? --Tothebarricades.tk 19:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes. = ∫tc 5th Eye 18:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Label

 * The band released its early work on the Kranky record label, but joined Constellation Records after their original contract ran out. 

Are we sure this is correct? I thought that their vinyl releases were on Constellation and their CDs on Kranky (I'm pretty sure this is the case with f# and Slow Riot at least). --Camembert
 * You're right. The earlier albums were released as CDs on Kranky and LPs on Constellation; both the LP and the CD of Yanqui U.X.O were produced by Constellation alone. I'll fix it. --No-One Jones 13:07, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * The Constellation catalogue will confirm this (and why I didn't check it beforehand, I don't know.) --No-One Jones 13:10, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Romanization
Buraku Empororu &mdash; this romanization turns up quite a few hits on Google but it is bogus. The original documentary title was "&#12468;&#12483;&#12489;&#12539;&#12473;&#12500;&#12540;&#12489;&#12539;&#12518;&#12540;! BLACK EMPEROR," which could be romanized as "God Speed You! Black Emperor." A romanization that reflected the Japanese pronunciation would be "Goddo Sup&#299;do Y&#363;! Burakku Emper&#257;."--Tokek 00:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

formerly known as Godspeed You Black Emperor!

 * "(formerly known as Godspeed You Black Emperor!)"

Were they? (or were? they) -- I thought that moving the ! to the very end was something that the fans did unofficially. When/why would they change their band name (or rather punctuation), if they ever did? --69.214.227.51 06:32, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know why they'd do it, but the covers of my vinyl copies of f#a#&#8734; and the Slow Riot EP both say "Godspeed You Black Emperor!". --Camembert


 * AFAICT, they were Godspeed You Black Emperor! for all their releases before Yanqui U.X.O., which was the first release as Godspeed You! Black Emperor. It may be that was just a fleeting thing, and it may be changed back, or they may change it again (see A Silver Mt. Zion). sjorford &rarr;&bull;&larr; 12:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * They talked to the director of the film before the release of Yanqui UXO and discovered that they had translated it wrong. So it's not an aesthetic change like Silver Mt. Zion's name changes; the exclamation point is supposed to be after "You". --Tothebarricades.tk 20:09, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

well, if you really want to be technical, there should be no capitalization. godspeed you black emperor! now godspeed you! black emperor ...

Side Projects
Is it really fair to call all of those bands side projects? Some of these bands may share members with Godspeed, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're second-bannanas. I think that a better term would be "Related Projects" or "Related Bands." I'm going to change it unless anyone has any problems with it.Timothyreal 20:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I added the usage of East Hastings in two movie trailers, which incidentally are used one after the other in the previews for The Bourne Ultimatum, which is where I noticed. It was funny, I noticed the use of GYBE in Death Sentence, and thought it was cool, and then a minute later the same exact song, and part of the song, in Beowulf. Anyways, if anyone could source it that would be great, otherwise feel free to remove it, I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. Aldrenean 19:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Should this page have a link to long song titles like this?
==See also== - Gbeeker 01:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * List of songs with particularly long titles

F♯A♯∞
The title of this album is listed with both letters capitalized at cstrecords.com and at AMG. What is the source for spelling it with lowercase 'a' and 'f'? --G0zer 03:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I've got the vinyl release here right in front of of me and there are no capital letters at all. 194.97.112.69 21:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Klotzambein)


 * It is common practice to write music notes in capital letters. However, it is gybe's common practice (at least on their album sleeves) to use lower case letters for virtually every song/album title. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Also see WP:NC. The band name is all lowercase on the vinyl sleeve as well. This implies that the lowercasing of the album title is stylistic, which should not carry over to Wikipedia. Note though a comment in the edit history for the album article saying that sharp symbols show up as boxes on Windows XP. Depending on how prevalent that problem is, I think the name should be either "F♯A♯∞" or "F#A#∞". --PEJL 06:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:MUSTARD says to use a sharp symbols (♯) rather than number signs (#), so I think we can assume the former aren't too problematic. I'm going to move the album to F♯A♯∞. --PEJL 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Turns out it can't be moved easily, so punting on this for now. --PEJL 00:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention here that I did finally move the article (by listing it at WP:RM). --PEJL 00:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, the album's tile should be "F♯ A♯ ∞", not "F♯A♯∞". -http://musicbrainz.org/artist/3648db01-b29d-4ab9-835c-83f6a5068fe4.html 24.155.64.208 (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The title should contain spaces between each note and the '∞' symbol so that it looks like this: "F♯ A♯ ∞" source:http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/music.html Cesar Pulido 00:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesaar (talk • contribs)

Politics
This article makes no reference to the political views Godspeed You! Black Emperor addresses in various songs. —User:Christopher Mann McKay 20:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It used to. I'm going to restore a mention of their anarchistic political beliefs, since there was no valid reason for it to be removed and it's an important component of their music. Cassandra Leo 21:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

28 Days Later
Shouldn't somebody include that Sad Mafioso was used in 28 Days Later? A lot of people got into them because of that. It would also give a chance to clear up wild rumors some people have like GY!BE having anything to do with 28 Weeks Later.


 * That is mentioned in f♯a♯∞. If you think it should be in this article too, why don't you add it? − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 10:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

A further question about GSY!BE's music being used in film etc. - they seem pretty integrity-focused based on what little I know about them, and they at least have connections to anarchism, etc. That said, allowing their music to be used in a number of films/stuff seems a little odd. Has the band released any statements or given any justifications for this? I think that would definitely be worth including, given that, the way it is now, it kind of makes them look like sellouts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.151.34.13 (talk) 23:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

East Hastings
I just checked to see if East Hastings had been used in the trailers for Beowulf and Death Sentence, and they haven't been. In The House - In A Heartbeat by John Howard has been used. Do these trailers with East Hastings actually exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.53.235 (talk • contribs).
 * No. That was just confusion on someone's part. = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So shall I remove the reference to East Hastings being used in the trailers for Beowulf and Death Sentence? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.53.235 (talk • contribs).
 * Someone ought to. = ∫tc 5th Eye 15:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Former Members
Since the band is no longer together, shouldn't something be done about the "former members" part? Technically, they're all "former" members of this band now. What should be done? Jkdeadite (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question. I would've thought to move everyone under "former members" but a similar example, The Beatles, lists the most recent lineup as "Members" and members who didn't make it to the end as "Former members".  There is probably a standard written somewhere.  —Wknight94 (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Possibly something along the line of "Final Line-up" may be in order to distinguish between the last members and the members that left before the split? Vicissitudo (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with that, but keeping the former members section. Either way, I've thought about it, and it sort of "immortalizes the final lineup" as a friend of mine says.  It makes sense.Jkdeadite (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to say that I was under the impression that Efrim's comments were more final than they actually appear to be now that I've read them carefully. I'm beginning to think that maybe we've been a bit premature in announcing them finished. “I think that bands do have a short shelf life… they should be able to ply their trade ‘til they no longer want to.” seems to be closest he gets to saying they've split. I mean, I'm pretty certain that this means they're finished but officially I don't think they've split up just yet. If they have split up then I'm all for the inclusion of a final line-up heading. Vicissitudo (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hasn't anyone noticed that the members aren't correct, who is james chau, and james drayton? they weren't members of this band —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.11.111 (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Tiny Silver Hammers EP
I'm removing Tiny Silver Hammers from the list of releases. It most certainly was never released, even if it is in common circulation on the web. It shouldn't be on the list of releases.Jkdeadite (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I see it has been changed since I wrote that comment!  :) Jkdeadite (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

according to this "Tiny Silver Hammers" is earler title of the track "Motherfucker=Redeemer"

February 9th, 2008 Drowned In Sound Article
The article states that Efrim says the band is "hugely unlikely to ever return to record-releasing or touring ways", however there is no direct confirmation of disbandment. This should be clearly noted in the Wikipedia article and the "years active" entry should be changed back to including "currently on indefinite hiatus" until further confirmation is given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.84.28 (talk) 02:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

A little pedantic I know, but the interview was published on the 8th Feb, not 9th :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.195.150 (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

If I may, Pitchfork announced this morning that this "disbandment" is not permanent:

When contacted by Pitchfork, Menuck gave the following statement via Silver Mt. Zion's publicist:

"The Drowned in Sound thing is a misquote, I'm in the middle of dealing with it now. It's true, Godspeed hasn't existed for years, we've been on permanent hiatus since 2002. If and when we do call it quits permanently, it won't be because of the Iraq war."
 * Epimetheus81 (talk) 16:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was just about to post this, makes all the changes made to the page since the 8th void IMHO. Vicissitudo (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Vocals
Should Efrim be credited in the band member section with doing vocals? He sings a section of the guitar melody in East Hastings (just after 8:30 on the CD version) and I think that is worthy of a mention in the band member section. What are peoples thoughts on this? If no-one has any objections I will add "Vocals" to Efrims name in the band member section. Vicissitudo (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There's more than 1 person singing there, I'm pretty sure. Also, in Sleep around minute 14-15, there's some very quiet humming. But you'll never figure out who it is. So I would just leave it as it is: not crediting anyone for the vocals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crappo (talk • contribs) 21:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not dead set on adding it but just because there's more than one of them singing that doesn't mean that you shouldn't credit Efrim with singing when he clearly is doing so, does it? I think it should be added but since some people object then I won't add it. Vicissitudo (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, although not confirmed, it has been said that Efrim sings on their long-lost demo cassette All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling.

Moya provided most of the band's vocal input up until his depature, then an early recording of him was used at the start of 'Antennas to Heaven'. So I kind of agree that crediting Efrim as being Godspeed's main source of vocals seems wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.195.150 (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That's interesting, where did you hear that? Vicissitudo (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think the suggestion was that Efrim is considered the 'main' vocalist, but only that he contributes vocals. Ringo Starr was hardly the vocalist for the Beatles, but you still might say he is a vocalist because he sang in some songs. If Moya also contributed vocals, then we should put 'vocals' next to his name as well. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, you're right. I don't see any reason why just because we don't know EVERYONE that did vocals in the band we shouldn't include the ones that are fairly clear-cut. For example, Efrim and Moya. Vicissitudo (talk) 11:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Related discussion - ASMZ page move
To hopefully generate some discussion about the possible renaming of the current ASMZ article, there are a couple of sections on it's talk page to try to generate a consensus. Lugnuts (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Former Members revisited
It seems this was a topic of conversation a year ago, but I want to bring it up again. It's silly to call some of them former members, especially Roger, who according to the article, left the band after they "went on hiatus" (broke up). What does it mean to leave a band that doesn't exist? They all "left the band" when they stopped playing music together, touring, and recording. I think it's silly for a major member to not be included in the template just because he doesn't speak in the same vague language as Efrim. Efrim and Roger both left the band to be in other bands. We shouldn't let this article be run by the band's goofy ephemeral interview-speak. Conical Johnson (talk) 02:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Music in film and television
I question the purpose of this section entirely. From my experience these sort of sections become crammed with tons of trivial items that just pile up and become un-purposeful. Honestly, how useful is Contributed music to Jem Cohen's Chain.? This becomes even more apparent over time, and the original submissions lose necessity entirely. I propose removal of this section completely.–m.f (t • c) 20:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I think it should stay. Similar sections can be see on other pages, so if you want to argue having this one taken out I expect any other should to be taken out also. Rocketsfall (talk) 02:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The sites you refer to are always less mature wiki pages though. If you look at a well-established band pages like Nine Inch Nails (which is a featured article by the way) there is no such section.  It would be overwhelming.  They are trivia at best and not appropriate for a legitimate encyclopedia.  Would you see these little bullet point current events in Britannica or something published with reputability?  I think not. –m.f (t • c) 19:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying that if this resource is lost, than this information has nowhere to go. It will simply disappear and will most likely never resurface. Also, even if NIN doesn't have a section like that, other bands still do. I see what you're saying, though. Rocketsfall (talk) 00:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not believe the information that will be 'lost' is relevant in the whole scheme of things. In twenty years, will anybody really care (or know the meaning) about such trivial minutiae?  For example, in 10/20 years will anybody really find value in knowing that music from the band was in The Cleveland show, or similarly any of the other items? I don't think so.  Wouldn't you agree? –m.f (t • c) 20:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't agree. Maybe we could work the information into the main article? I just don't think we should throw it out like that, you know? It has to fit somewhere. Rocketsfall (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, no. See WP:TRIVIA. So I've moved it here. Maybe someone could turn it into prose, reference each claim and rework it back into the main article? Good luck!  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:38, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Cruft from main article
The band contributed the song "East Hastings" from their first album F♯ A♯ ∞ to the UK film 28 Days Later, though the song was heavily edited; this was an unusual step for the ensemble. However, the track is excluded from the CD soundtrack.

In 2005, the band allowed songs from Yanqui U.X.O. to be used in the documentary film Bombhunters, stating that while they didn't normally allow their music to be used in films, they could align with the social nature of the film.

A segment of the track "Providence" was used to promote the BBC drama series Superstorm, which aired in April 2007.

The horror-movie documentary The American Nightmare used the song "Moya" from Slow Riot for New Zerø Kanada and "Providence" from F♯ A♯ ∞ as incidental music and over the closing credits.

The band is also referenced in the movie Pineapple Express when protagonist Dale Denton (Seth Rogen) says to his girlfriend Angie (Amber Heard) "You are gonna go to college next year. You'll get into Godspeed You! Black Emperor and the fucking Shins, and you'll blow a bunch of dudes and become a lesbian." Screenwriter Evan Goldberg has said that this reference was because "Jay Baruchel is from Montreal and loves Godspeed, so we did it to poke at Jay. But I like Godspeed, Godspeed's good."

A segment of the track "9-15-00" is used in Top Gear, during a review of the Tesla Roadster. The BBC did not clear this usage and Top Gear's producers subsequently apologized.

A shortened segment of "9-15-00" is used in a scene of the film Adoration during which Simon (Devon Bostick) describes various acts of terrorism.

Excerpts of Rockets Fall On Rocket Falls and "East Hastings" were also used throughout the BBC documentary The Secret Life of the Berlin Wall.

The band also contributed music to Jem Cohen's Chain.

On the Spanish internet series "Malviviendo", episode 8-No Girls, the storyteller and main character describes an album of Godspeed You! Black Emperor as "2 hours of music in only 4 tracks".

Parts of "Gathering Storm" were used in the Australia scene from skateboard company Cliché's film Bon Appetit.

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Band name
Should it be noted somewhere that the record "'Allelujah! Don't Bend  Ascend" is credited to "God's Pee"? In fact, on the cd version I own there is no mention of "Godspeed You!Black Emperor" (or wherever you want to place the exclamation mark) 217.103.1.27 (talk) 14:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Redirect deletion of "All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling"
Thanks to an AfD that next to nobody saw until it was too late, the article for the band's very much notable and significant debut album appears to now redirect to this article. Considering that this record very much seemed to justify having its own article, and that it existed quite uncontroversially as an article with a very much justified existence for twelve years before this sudden small vote, may I propose that its article is restored?

I do feel as if two users doubting the existence of this record without really anybody to disagree isn't the fairest discussion to justify this removal... let's see if there's any consensus on this issue either way. Moonwater21 (talk) 02:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article should be restored or at the very least there should be held a proper discussion as to whether to redirect. As it stands whether the album exists or not is irrelevant to whether or not it should have an article.  Nowhere in WP:NMG does it require music must exist in order to be notable.  If users do believe it does not exist and they have sources to back that claim up they can add that information to the article.  And if users separately do not believe that the subject is notable then they can give a go at arguing that in another discussion.
 * I think though that any future discussion should be held on the talk page for the album itself rather than the band. AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


 * For info, the AfD has been relisted for further input. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:50, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Timeline Rendering Error
I see an error on the timeline graphic, where all releases are attached to lines coming from the bottom left corner. Is this visible to others? If so I don't have enough experience to fix this in the code. Thanks, Friendlyguy420 (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see it too, although if I click through to edit that section, it looks fine in preview even without any changes! So I'm not sure what's going on, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Thanks, Amkilpatrick (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)