Talk:Godzilla: Unleashed/Archive 1

Why bother mentioning it then?
"The game will not be playable at Comic Con '07 at the Classic Media Booth."

Really? Is there a reason why its not appearing somewhere is notable?

"Footage of Godzilla 2000 and Kiryu fighting can be downloaded on the net."

Very helpful. Manaroa 11:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So people don't get dissappointed by going and not seeing it?--Marhawkman 15:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think that anyone is going to just assume that a certain game will be at a certain convention. Why would you go to a convention specifically to see a game, without knowing that it will be there? Also, there are obviously going to be a lot of games that aren't there, so why is this one notable over any other? --The F50 Man 18:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why this game is cool
I'll be surprised if any godzilla game doesn't have megalon. Since he's in this game, it will be a sweet game. The only way if it's better is if hedorah is in the game. GO 1970s!!! Pikazilla 20:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Although you are obviously enthused with this game, as am I, I do not think that this is the place to discuss enthusiasm. Wikipedia talk pages are for discussing the article, not opinions on it's subject matter, unless they are useful to the article's creation. Sorry to dis you, but you should probably use a forum or something.--The F50 Man 18:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

New Monsters
I have removed the "rumoured monsters" list.

Please, do NOT speculate on which upcoming monsters will be in the game. The article should feature only CONFIRMED monsters. Wikipedia is for hard facts, not fanboy speculation. So far, the only characters we know for *sure* will be in the game are Godzilla 2000, Mechagodzilla, Megalon and Final Wars Gigan. Don't add anymore until there is an official confirmation! K00bine 01:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. But could you just mention that there are rumored? But don't list everything. You could change it after the game's realese. WikiDany, 8:50 January 31, 2007 Eastern Coast (USA) Time


 * No, there's no reason to include info that can be and probably is false. Call me a wiki-snob, but only hard facts should be posted, not speculation. There's absolutely no way of knowing which monsters they'll end up picking until there's a declairation or the game comes out, and there's no way of knowing if they'll bring back the STE roster or cull a few of them this time around.

On a random note, PLEASE stop posting Toho Kingdom's list of possible Kaiju. TOHO KINGDOM IS NOT AN OFFICIAL SOURCE. Their list is purely for fun. A direct quote from their page:

"In a site tradition, established when Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee was still in development, this section focuses on the probability of which characters might appear in the upcoming game and those that have been confirmed. The unconfirmed list is purely guess work, using patterns from previous games and other criteria, so please be aware of this when looking it over."

^That's straight from the horse's mouth- as plausible as their suggestions are, they openly admit to the purely speculative nature of their list. Comic-Con '07 isn't *that* far away, y'all can wait until the game is actually playable and see for youself which ones will appear.

K00bine 19:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, what Toho Kingdom does is strictly for fun. Don't use their list again. It is not an offcial source.
 * It's back :( We need to put a warning on this article or something, it has not officially been said that Biollante has exactly a 90% chance of entering and stuff like that has taken up the whole article... *sigh*

Picture
It has been requested that a photo of some sort it used to better visualize the page. I'm not sure how to add pictures but I know that IGN has four of them on their wibsite, is it possible to use any of these? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.70.2.35 (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

It'd be easy enough to grab one of IGN's screenshots and upload it, but I'm not sure what licencing issues that would entail. K00bine 09:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC) K00bine

I am adding an image I made it just says Godzilla Unleashed. If anyone else has a better title image feel free to replace it. I cut it from a fan image. SG-17 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it'll do until the game comes out and people can get screencaps.

K00bine 18:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Citation Plz???

 * A person has readded the list claiming some person called "Simon Strange", who apparantly worked on DAMM and STE, has confirmed that the entire STE roster will be returning in GU. Assuming this is true, then could someone post a citation such as a link to an interview or an article or somesuch? I'm not part of some eeeeevil anti-Toho Kingdom conspiracy out to suppress their influence, (in fact, I've had an account there for over a year, though I mostly lurk- I'm "Steve". Yes, I've seen the thread on TK, I'm not a "basher", I am in fact a member!) I'm just a wiki-dork trying to keep Original Research out of the various articles I stalk. If someone can dig up an official citation then by all means, you can have your list of new and/or returning characters and I won't object. :)

K00bine 17:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is the orignial interview for STE by Chris55 with Mr. Simon Strange. SG-17 02:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I've read that interview before, I don't see anything about Godzilla: Unleashed in it... exactly where has he said that the entire roster from STE will return in Unleashed?

K00bine 04:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The Tohokingdom roster is just pure fan speculation and should be taken as what it is. Speculation. Atari is the only source as to official confirmation as to what characters will be in the game.

There is also Pipeworks Inc. which Mr. Strange is an employee who developed DAMM and STE.SG-17 18:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and I've been told by the guy who runs TK that he hasn't said anything about new or returniung Kaiju in Unleashed. Just because TK has an official contact doesn't make their speculation any less speculative. K00bine 04:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

A memeber of tk has posted info about the DS versio which has bio and battra. ?

IGN has said that Atari is being very secretive about any Kaiju appearing in Unleashed other then the four that have been revealed. Anything otherwise is most likely bullshit, unless said person can back it up with a citation.

EDIT: It appears there is an article on IGN for the DS version, and Billante and Battra are depicted in the screenshots. However, we don't know for certain that they'll be playable; for all we know, Bio could be a boss or something. Regardless, I've noted their appearence in the article. K00bine 05:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC) It doest matter wheter they are playable or not they are in the game so they are confirmed. SG-17 17:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I just added a DS picture that shows biollante but it looks like it is a boss. Also NP confirmed more monsters, which I added, WikiDany

Fix this
The DS and PSP versions are not being developed by Pipeworks. They are being made by Santa Cruz Games.

Acutally the PSP version is being produced by Pipeworks, as there will be no differances between the wii and psp, content wise. SG-17 15:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok so if the PSP version is in the hands of Pipeworks then

what about just fixing the DS portion of the Page?

Sphinx?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters_in_Godzilla_the_Series#Norzzug_the_Iron_Cat

Norzzug is the only currently existing sphinx Godzilla villain. What was the art with a Sphinx shown in it?--Marhawkman 12:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC) All I know is that it is 6 times bigger than the sphinx of giza.Pikazilla 12:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible Monsters
As far as I know, Wikipedia ain't no Crystal Ball (WP:CRYSTAL) So, why are possible kaiju (monsters, as stated in the article) listed. While useful, this information is only prediction, and as such violates the whole crystal ball policy thing. Could someone clear up if this is untrue?68.55.108.224 01:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's part of the roster of monsters seen in Godzilla: Save the Earth. Most of which were also featured in the Previous game Godzilla: Destroy all monsters melee.--Marhawkman 10:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Stolen Pictures
That banner with MechaGodzilla? Straight from Toho Kingdom. All the the pictures? Lifted from IGN. They still got the dang watermarks!
 * They're still copyrighted to Toho pictures.--Marhawkman 16:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey man that's fine, but I think the fact that they have watermarks is a tad too close to outright theft. And that banner with Kiryu is total theft, that was made specifically by Toho Kingdom for their website.

What happened to the main image that just said Godzilla Unleashed? SG-17 20:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Toho Kingdom cares... ~ A Wikipedian I re-added the original image. Referring to above, we should ask them first, before we use any of their images. SG-17 14:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

That was me in the early days. Anyway I am registered there.

I could probably ask them Angry Sun 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

False Image and New Kaiju/Arena
The boxart that was posted here is false, so I removed it. If you need me to, I can post a link to prove the point, but I think the image speaks for itself.

Also



Look through the images and you'll see three new kaiju: King Ghidorah, Anguirus, and King Ceasar. There is also a new arena which is obviously Monster Island. I updated the page to include this info.

I would just like to say "Sorry" for not believeing those images... I checked with guys at Toho Kingdom. They are real. Feel free to put them back. Angry Sun 02:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Proof

 * King Caesar and Anguirus fighting.
 * King Ghidorah and Gigan face to face.
 * A screenshot of King Caesar, new to the Godzilla games.

Monster Faction
Quit editing in King Ceaser, Anguirus, and King Ghidorah to the specific fraction places. Unless whoever editing the monster into fraction is with Atira and Pipeworks, I suggest stopping. We don't know where they would go to. For all we know, King Ceaser and Anguirus in Mutants fraction and King Ghidorah in Earth Defenders. Ghost Rider X 03:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Mention on both first and second page, and second page has example on how faction would work on the game. So yeah, there are faction.
 * Um there's no r in Faction. I think we need to either get sources or dump that part of the article.--Marhawkman 01:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...Have you read into this? Because, before it went down for updates, GU main website told you each monsters are in faction. The first article that announced GU mention faction. Heck, Gamespot.com dairy with Strange told how story mode would work with factions.

And thanks to whoever put Anguirus, King Ceaser, and King Ghidorah away from unknown faction. >.> Ghost Rider X 03:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... That would be me.

If the last two gaems King Ghidorah has always been the Monster from Space.

King Caesar and Anguirus have always been native to Earth as proven in the movies. Angry Sun 03:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

...You haven't seen Godzilla: Final Wars, have you? There wasn't any evidence to show they were natives from Earth. But still, you don't know if they would be place Earth Defender or Mutants, now do you? ;)

King Ghidorah? He's a GMK Hybrid, which can put him in either space or Earth Defender, as he was in GMK. Until *anyone here* is making GU, you really don't know where anyone is going to be placed at, just nothing more than assumination. And Wiki isn't a "Crystal Ball", like stated in another part in this talk page. Ghost Rider X 03:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I taped it Genuius.

Off Time Warner's ON Demand.

Fact is this is Atari's Game.

Every movie prior to Final Wars show Anguirus a native of the Earth. And King Caesar was behind a mountain in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla.

King Ghidorah is a GMK/Atari Hybrid mewaning he would still be a Alien. Angry Sun 03:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

"I taped it Genuius.

Off Time Warner's ON Demand."

That nice. Just means you don't know much about monsters then.

"Fact is this is Atari's Game."

Wow. I never knew that. [/sarcasm]

"Every movie prior to Final Wars show Anguirus a native of the Earth. And King Caesar was behind a mountain in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla."

And you know they won't wind in mutants faction...How? Are you an Atira members that knows all of this? If so, tell me when Monster X is getting confirmed.

"King Ghidorah is a GMK/Atari Hybrid mewaning he would still be a Alien."

Yup. Because being half of something is always automatically ruled out...

And besides, game aren't canon to the movies. I mean, do you see Space Godzilla fighting Baragon in any movie? No. So that doesn't mean King Ceaser and Anguirus WILL be in Earth defender.

It does when the last two games have place Angurius as a native to Earth.

And it's the Showa Anguirus meaning he is native to Earth period.

How do you think they are making the plot?

WATCHING THE MOVIES! Angry Sun 04:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

...I DO watch the movies. But just because movies has it as one thing, doesn't mean the game will have it as the same thing. For example, look at Megalon. He's actually *from* Earth, possible made by the Seportian. But where is he place? Alien fraction.

So, until you can actually give sources to prove this (which, there is none of) the whole "because it's in the movie" argument is a utter moot. Ghost Rider X 04:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The Seatopians are Aliens... And Atari isn't letting the Seatopians be in the game meaning Megalon is a free bird. And moot doesn't even work here. Angry Sun 05:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

"The Seatopians are Aliens..."

Wow. You tell me to watch the movies... They are the first humanoid inhibitors of Earth before humans drove them out and wanted revenge against the humans. You know...basic plot of Godzilla Vs Megalon?

"And Atari isn't letting the Seatopians be in the game meaning Megalon is a free bird."

Meaning he's not going to be like the movies? LOL Wow. Your "watch the movies" argument is going down the drain and you're helping it!

"And moot doesn't even work here."

Moot = pointless = your argument. Ghost Rider X 05:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, everyone who keep on changing it back with the three newly announced kiajus being confirmed... Tell me WHERE Atira put them in those fraction. I don't want "it's in the movie!!!!" because the games aren't the movies. So, give me source or quit editing it. Ghost Rider X 00:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And this is why I started the discussion about sources..... Honestly i think that the best thing to do would be to mention the names of the Factions(note: Faction, not fRaction, and have a list of confirmed Kaiju, and leave it at that. We can't do a complete enough ,list right now.--Marhawkman 00:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There! I did what you suggested Marhawkman. List of Characters with no factions. Angry Sun 22:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Lock
I'm suggesting that some sort of lock be placed on this topic, you know, because people seem to think that Wikipedia is a place to post speculation. This Unconfirmed kaiju list that keeps popping up is also getting highly annoying.

Well then tell Ghost Rider to stop being so... err how do I say this without getting a warning... (Removed) The Showa Angurius has always been an Earth Monster. And it is the Showa Angurius. King Caesar is a Hybrid... THIS DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL COME FROM SPACE! He has the Showa Eyes and the Final Wars Body. Just because he's more FW than Showa doesn't mean he'll come from space! King Ghidorah has always been the Alien Leader.

In DAMM he was the front of the operation. In STE you see the Queen send two monsters down and guess who was one?

KING GHIDORAH! Angry Sun 21:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

"Please do not add speculation to this article." All speculation, pal. Are YOU from Atira or Pipeworks? If you are, tell me when Monster X is going to hit the public in GU. If not, it's speculation because you do not know it WILL be that. "zomg its so obvious" doesn't cut it, bub. Until you have a thing called SOURCES, and not from previous games where things can CHANGE, it's SPECULATION.

It's not *that* hard to get through that skull... Ghost Rider X 22:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Please post lock requests at Requests for page protection. Thank you. Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 22:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Block this IP
I'm typing this because I'm sick and tired of the Vandalism that 69.142.43.130 creates. He believes everything IMPORTANT! should be LOWERCASED! Angry Sun 03:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed Monsters in DS version
Whoever is deleting the confirmed monsters from the DS game STOP IT. They were confirmed in Nintendo Power for god sakes! And why the hell did you also delete Mothra?! You kept Gigan and they're in THE SAME FRICKING SCREENSHOT! ARE YOU FRICKING BLIND?! Mariofan 9:25, 25 June 2007 UTC

I don't give a crap. Until I see some freaking screenshots I'm removing them all.

And Nintendo isn't making the game. Pipeworks is. So how can I trust someone who isn't making the game? AND THAT WAS BATTRA! Angry Sun 15:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry about the thing I did a minute ago. I got too carried away. Mariofan 12:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It alright. I thought you were talking about the one with Battra in it to tell you the truth. But anyway. Yeah. I guess Mothra is in the DS Version...But I've also noticed Anguirus in the list... Any Proof of him in the game? Angry Sun 19:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides the Nintendo Power article, there isn't really any proof that those other monsters in the game (unless they actually asked Pipeworks, which they probabally did but without screenshots we can't be too sure). Mariofan 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Sign your name with ~. It's easier that way.

Who put the factions back in there? Angry Sun 21:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

...Wow (content dispute)
This article...needs help. I'll do what I can if I can, but it might be drastic.--Clyde (talk) 21:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't touch it. I've worked hard to keep this article as is.

Just a couple things if insist on changing it though.

No Faction Lists. We don't have enough characters for those.

No Removing of the Box Art. IT stays.

And no removing the Godzilla 90's is hinted thing. Angry Sun 21:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't own this article, and most of my work was repairing

the prose and structure anyway. Since none of this is sourced, it technically can be removed on the grounds of WP:CITE and WP:CRYSTAL. I finished some cleanup, minus adding sources. As to individual stuff you said


 * No Removing of the Box Art.
 * IT stays.
 * Really? Has no source (website link), so it doesn't qualify for fair use.
 * Now we're good to go.


 * And no removing the Godzilla 90's is hinted thing.
 * I don't see a ref, which means it is no better than specualtion, which is not supposed to be on Wikipedia.
 * --Clyde (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * He told me about G 90's on Toho Kingdom.
 * When I was wishing that he should stand up when firing a beam and all that...


 * And he said "Mission Accomplished"


 * There was another time as well...
 * And I think in the blog. Angry Sun 20:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed the ESRB to Rating Pending, since it doesn't have a rating as of yet. Also, changed the box to a mock up. DaxterKing


 * I had to indent for this response to be understood, so please fogive me. In the future it is accepted to indent each reply so people know who's saying what. I don't know who "he" is or what your talking about, so you're going to have to explain what's going on. Wherever you found that, I reccomend putting as a citation in cite web like or whatever you're feeling.--Clyde (talk) 21:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The section is called Confirmed Kaiju, it doesn't matter if it was hinted or not, Godzilla 90s has not been confirmed in any way. DaxterKing

Which is why I haven't added him to the confirmed list.

I put him in below the confirmed list. Angry Sun 21:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It is still under the confirmed section and it is still speculation, removed.-DaxterKing

Not Speculation. He told me. Angry Sun 21:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Get a source and I'll believe you, until then, it will be removed upon site.-DaxterKing

Angry Sun 21:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You're taking that out of context, he is saying that your mission of suggestion that is accomplished.-DaxterKing

No I'm not. Because I talked to him. It was meant the other way. Angry Sun 21:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of not putting up the fact that there are IN FACT a Faction system in the game. It's obvious the guy editing the page doesn't know anything about the game, let someone who knows do the editing. posted by DDRUS

You talking about me? I don't see anyone else typing...so you must be talking about me. Godzilla 90's...

I do know alot about the game and if you looked at the Gamespot Blog you would know that Mutants is the official. Angry Sun 22:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So from that I assume you read the blog at IGN when it first appeared, then you know Destoroyah was confirmed there and Mutants aren't the official formal name,still why do you delete the information about the factions if those are neccesary aspects of the game, that's like deleting the fact that this game has a story mode. posted by DDRUS

There is no proof. The statement was erased meaning he isn't confirmed. And Mutants are the confirmed name. Simon Strange wouldn't have mentioned them if it wasn't. Angry Sun 22:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, in the recent IGN blog Simon said the Mecha group has been changed to the GDF, so just because he mentioned it does not mean it is true. -DaxterKing


 * Hey Sun, even if he told you, that's original research and cannot be included. DDRUS, could I reccomend that you make an account and so you can properly sign (with four tildes). This is not a forum.--Clyde (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Also it's been confirmed at the Atari website for Godzilla Unleashed that the Alien faction is called Alien Invaders and not just Aliens. (D.D.R.U.S. 14:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)D.D.R.U.S.)

We still don't need the full names. We will include those when we get enough monsters for each faction.

And to the people who keep adding non-confirmed monsters: STOP!!!!

Just because Anguirus is confirmed for the Wii Version doesn't mean crap for the DS Version.

And to the one who keeps putting Destroyah down: Stop. There is no proof of this. Unless you can source this quote then Destroyah is not confirmed.

And stop removing the Box Art. It is acceptable. Just because you think it's humilating doesn't give you the right to remove it.(In reference to Godzilla Boy) Now, I suggest this article be semi-protected until a given time. And all monsters that are added with no proof are to be removed. Angry Sun 17:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

If we have a confirmed name for something, then yeah we should use it.--Marhawkman 19:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wait which part were you pertaining too? Angry Sun 20:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Kaiju names and Faction names. If it's been confirmed that a certain name will be used, then that is the name we should use in the article. Anything we don't have a confirmed name for, but know will be included, can have our "best guess".--Marhawkman 21:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

We can't get the names now anyway. The site is down. The only way I can get the official names is if I ask Mr. Strange himself on Toho Kingdom. Angry Sun 21:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/MRCHRIS55/page3-1.jpg Ebirah, SG, and Angy ARE confirmed for DS. Second paragraph. Also, quit putting in Godzilla '90's. Hinting =/= confirmed. And almost doesn't count, as I think you never heard of "close, but no cigar" cliché. Ghost Rider V2 21:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

And that could have been a lie. Nintendo Power has always lied. They can't be trusted. Just like how they said Destoroyah was confirmed. Lead Designer Simon Strange took that back on Toho Kingdom. Meaning Destoroyah isn't confirmed. Reader as a right to know Ghost Rider. Angry Sun 21:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

"Just like how they said Destoroyah was confirmed." ...That was a mistake in the latest IGN blog, Albert Einstein. "Apparently, they say Destroyah was confirmed on the IGN blog, but the post was edited to cut the confirmation out.

Huh." - Godzilla Number#1; TK

I saw that, but I don't think Destoroyah was actually confirmed in the blog.

--Mr. Strange

http://www.tohokingdom.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=270454&highlight=#270454

Ebirah, Angy, and SG are in. Ghost Rider V2 21:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Pictures? Angry Sun 21:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/MRCHRIS55/page3-1.jpg

READ IT. THAT'S the proof. Ghost Rider V2 21:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and quit adding "Godzilla '90's is hinted at by Strange"

""

Now stop. Ghost Rider V2 21:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

No because it's true. Hints = Proof. It remains. Now who blocked us from editing? Angry Sun 21:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

...First off, that "hint" he told you? He wasn't even TALKING about Godzilla. Second, Hint =/= proof. It's not confirmed unless it flat out says "[This kaiju] is in the game". Ghost Rider V2 22:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Reader has a right to know. So be quiet or we'll never be able to edit the page again... And yes he was talking about Godzilla. So don't flat out think you are him and think that you know what he said. Because you aren't him. This man is to be respected. Not Impersonated.

Hints = Possible Proof. Now stop arguing with me amd listen. Angry Sun 22:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Guys chill out. This is not a battle ground, this is a talk page. You can discuss this without insulting or yelling at the other person. You keep bickering, you keep edit warring, and all that will come of it is a longer protection on the article. Respect the other person, and please assume good faith. I've read through this, and I haven't seen anyone who's not trying to improve the article in their own eyes.--Clyde (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

He's taking something completely out of context...Really.

"Must find a Way to contact Simon Strange about G3.

And perhaps suggest that they have Godzilla 90's stand up during Beam Firing." - Him.

"That's easy - I read these forums.

Mission accomplished!

--Mr. Strange"

Mission accomplished = him actually reading the forum. He's not helping, just added a bunch of wasted space. Ghost Rider V2 22:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Mission Accomplished = Godzilla 90's will stand up and fire his beam.

Bam!

Just because he didn't blantly state it doesn't mean it isn't true. Angry Sun 00:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Once again you are taking him out of context, just stop, now. -DaxterKing

No I'm not taking anything out of context. Stop treating me like I'm a mental patient. Angry Sun 00:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

"Mission Accomplished = Godzilla 90's will stand up and fire his beam."

No, it wasn't. It was about looking at the forums. I mean, really, he even said he can't state he can't say anything not new to GU. I'm pretty sure confirming another kaiju would fall under that... Ghost Rider V2 01:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That's your problem then. The man said Godzilla 90's would fire his beam whilst standing up. If you can't get that through your head then something's wrong with you. Angry Sun 17:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

"That's your problem then. The man said Godzilla 90's would fire his beam whilst standing up. If you can't get that through your head then something's wrong with you." No, the thing is you're the problem here. Strange was talking about looking at the forum, as


 * A) He can't even TELL secrets about the game (IE: Confirms kaijus in the game) on a forum.
 * B) If he was talking about Godzilla '90's about moving and firing his beam...Why didn't he break up the quote?
 * C) Even IF that was a hint, it means didily squat on Wikipdia, something about a thing called facts. Hints =/= facts.

You have no argument. Now quit editing that in. Ghost Rider V2 20:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So?

A. He can tell hints.

B. Standing up and firing it. NOT MOVING AND FIRING IT! Because he didn't need to.

C. Reader has a right to know. Therefore, You lose.

"A. He can tell hints."

That'll STILL be telling news on a forums...Which is against his rules.

"Because he didn't need to."

Even if it would make a lot more sense, right?

"C. Reader has a right to know."

Wikipedia. Is. About. Facts. If someone wish to look for any rumors, they'll go to a fan site. Wikipedia is about facts and only facts.

"Therefore, you lose"

You lost the War before it even begun. Ghost Rider V2 07:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Angry Sun, your annoying. There is no proof that Godzilla 90's is returning in this game. "Godzilla 90's is hinted to return by Mr. Strange". That's a speculation. --Naruto134 00:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Who is Mr. Strange and what about him qualifies as a reliable source?--Clyde (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, he works at Pipeworks, but has said he cannot reveal monsters or any other info early. Which makes Sun's argumant null and void.-DaxterKing

 Mr. Strange was NOT hinting at Godzilla '90's. Period. End of story. Ghost Rider V2 01:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Content dispute, continued
You got to be kidding me. Now you guys are fighting on forums about this too? *sigh*. Keep it on Wikipedia so we know what's going on. If you get a response, it's OR anyway. In fact, I would put my money that Mr. Strange is not a reliable source, since "Reliable publications are those with an established structure for fact-checking and editorial oversight." which doesn't really bring a forum posting to mind when I think about it.--Clyde (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "In fact, I would put my money that Mr. Strange is not a reliable source, since "Reliable publications are those with an established structure for fact-checking and editorial oversight." which doesn't really bring a forum posting to mind when I think about it"

...Mr. Strange, aka Simon Strange, is a worker on Godzilla: Unleashed. He's the guy that posted the two "diaries" about GU, with it Critical Mass and Storyline and gameplay outline. If a worker on the game isn't reliable, then I have no clue what is. Ghost Rider V2 03:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's good to know, but no one confirmed he worked for Pipeworks on this talk page (until now). Also, diaries are fine and accepted as sources. However, a random forum posting (not a specific information release type posting) can be interpreted in different ways, a problem not usually present with typical developer info, which is the problem we are facing right now. That is why I tend to doubt how reliable this is.--Clyde (talk) 03:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't need to confirm anything here...

It was confirmed months ago when this article has barely any info...

Might be in the Archives I think...

The edit was by K00bine...

That's all I know... Angry Sun 22:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course we need to confirm everything. The basis of citations (which this article does not have any of) is that if any fact in the article is challenged, a specific citation is present to back it up. All I got out of the thread above (with K00bine) is that due to the secrecy of the project that only official releases and publications should be quoted and used. Further, if one worker makes one extraneous comment away from the official site on a forum, it is doubted that it can be taken seriously as an accepted published source that we can make use of. Again, I think the idea of using diaries in general is fine. I haven't looked closer, but that is not the issue at hand. I'm guessing the developer knows about them, and would have had them removed if anything compromising to game at this early stage was released. In my eyes, I've only been confirmed that this source is not to be trusted. It appears that the general consensus is to leave the hinting out on the grounds that it is speculation: smarter than your average bear speculation, but speculation none the less.--Clyde (talk) 00:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Mr.Strange does not kid about anything in his posts. If he posts it. It's true. Because he makes the game. And when he posts that Godzilla 90's had a Combo Defect. Guess what? He had a combo defect. Angry Sun 01:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying he is kidding. What I am saying is the reliability of this source has come into question both in the form it was presented and the choice in semantics. Therefore, unless there are multiple or other sources asserting the same information, I'm not going to believe it. You say "And when he posts that Godzilla 90's had a Combo Defect." but other's don't agree that this is the meaning of the post. You say "He had a combo defect." Do you have the source for this assertion? Because if you do, it should mention Godzilla 90's and this problem will be solved. The other assertions you made are simply you're judgments on the character of one person, and are OR and POV. Unless you can find something of more substance (which could very well exist) it is not acceptable to add this in. If it turns out this fact is true backed by reputable sources, then by all means, add it in. However, in its current standing, the only source is a hazy and contested forum posting. This is not enough to justify including a fact about it in a rather high traffic unreleased game article.--Clyde (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

He talked about it in the interview and on Toho Kingdom. All you have to do is look at the interview. Angry Sun 23:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are asserting a fact, it needs to have a citation. Period. This is an unreleased game, and we must be sure it is all verifiable. Reference it or it will be removed. It doesn't matter if I can read it, it matters if it is in the article as a citation. This is not you proving something to me; this is you adding a verifiable fact to the article.--Clyde (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This whole argument is a moot point anyway. I added the citations myself and found 2000 mentioned in tons of previews. If citations were here earlier, this would have never taken place.--Clyde (talk) 01:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be surprised if an editor reverted all the citations while undoing a minor edit. Just64helpin 01:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * *sigh* Neither would I.--Clyde (talk) 01:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Angry Sun 04:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Are we randomly adding external links in the discussion page? Click here please. Just64helpin 10:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No he's dropping the link to the interview I asked for earlier. Again, that doesn't matter anymore because I found text about Godzilla 2000 all over the place in different references.--Clyde (talk) 15:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You lose Ghost Rider


I will now be adding the three monsters to there respective Factions. Angry Sun 06:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

k. Why am I not piss? Because now you have a source.

PS: You forgot to sign, Angry Sun. Ghost Rider V2 04:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

....But you don't have a source for Magmouth being in Mutants section... Ghost Rider V2 04:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

And you don't have a source for Mock-ups not allowed. Angry Sun 06:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Proof

 * Try adding this to the article as an inline citation. Click here please. Just64helpin 10:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahh crap... Hold on... That may take awhile. Angry Sun 16:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um... this is for a different game. I can make an inline citation. It's just

I don't know what you can cite with it though. Certainly nothing in this article form what I can see.--Clyde (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

YEah.. that's a review about Save the Earth.--Marhawkman 19:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

That's a interview. If you people would read it. There is a question on if there were any problems after the game was released and Simon mentinos Godzilla 90's having a Combo defect. Angry Sun 00:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That interview was in 2005. There is no way it could have anything to do with Unleashed, much less confirming a character. It's about the wrong game.--Clyde (talk) 01:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That's why I put it in Godzilla: Save the Earth... Who put it in Godzilla: Unleashed? Cause I don't remember doing it... Angry Sun 01:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

1. For the stubborn dumbass that keeps on saying "give proof for 23 monsters" it was confirmed when the offical website first opened.

2. It confirms that in the E3 2007 Trailer

Update
Okay nearly everything in the article is referenced now, there are only two things I still am looking for: confirmed DS characters and the general release date. If neither can be found, I think they should be removed or changed to TBA.--Clyde (talk) 01:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

DS Monsters are confirmed over at IGN. And someone had a Image from a NP Magazine...

Why Megalon is on there I don't know...

I never saw his name in there... And for the release date I believe Mr.Strange said "We are hoping to release this game in the Fall." that's not an exact quote however...that's just all I remember...Angry Sun 01:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh and by the way. You can clearly see a blurred 23. Angry Sun 01:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a link to both so they can be attributed to a source? If not, I don't think they can be included. As to the 23, I see a blurred image of 23 cards with question marks. To assume that those represent characters in the game would probably be true, but as of now it's speculation, original research, and our point of view. What if someone decides that the rest of the question marks represent levels? or missions? It may be wrong, but right now, we are all speculating. There are probably in the range of four published sources that say at least 16 monsters, which does not exclude your thoughts about 23. Until the site goes online, I would say retain the 16 in the article and include that screenshot saying "The Atari website with 23 cards, four of them turned over and showing confirmed monsters. That way we present no original research or point of view, we just state the obvious and let the reader figure it out.--Clyde (talk) 01:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Other than the fact that Mr.Strange him self said there were gonna be 23 Monsters... But hold on...I'll get you an image... Angry Sun 01:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW if you reel your head back you can see "23 Monsters Confirmed".

Try it. It worked for me. Angry Sun 01:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I was asking for sources for the list of confirmed DS monsters and the release date. In regards to 23, I can see what you are talking about, but the "2" looks like a blob like "O". Clyde (talk) 01:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll need that image from NP... And a link to IGN's DS Reveal. It's a 2 however... Angry Sun 02:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, that's from your point of view, but the blurriness sews the seeds of doubt, the same problem we had with the forum post. To make matters worse, there's not a single update about the having 23 monsters. If I my quote again "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether we think it is true."--Clyde (talk) 02:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not a "point of view" if that's what it said before the site went off. I'm currently trying to get an image of it! Angry Sun 02:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Clyde I don't know you but from what your posting you seem to be a robot. If the cards are levels and items then why are the kaiju placed randomly and not in a section all together not to mention it's only been like 4 weeks since the sites been down I doubt people forgot the two words and the number at the bottom "23 Monsters Confirmed". Now I propose the complete take down of that fony Box Art in place of the poster which is found at this link http://www.tohokingdom.com/vg/godzilla_unleashed/images/g-fest_poster_n.htm

Futhermore Mr.Strange is a completely reliable source not just because he wrote the two Diaries and a Blog and he has his picture up with the rest of his pipeworks employees but you'll easily find his name In the Godzilla Save The Earth game booklet with all the other Pipeworks employees and not only is he an employee but he's the Lead Game Designer. (D,D.R.U.S. 02:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)D,D.R.U.S.)

There is nothing wrong with a mock-up. We can put the poster in the Confirmed Kaiju section. Since it does confirm two monsters. Angry Sun 02:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Biollante was never in the poster. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.157.112.56 (talk • contribs).

Wrong Again. Click the High-Res Image Godzilla: Unleashed Poster. Which should be somewhere. And BAM! Biollante shows up in the poster in the copyrighting. Angry Sun 16:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That could be refering to the DS game you know. Kaiju Corp 16:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That's what everyone thought when they saw Mothra... Wrong. Mothra is from the 3D Version. Biollante has probably been confirmed for both. Angry Sun 17:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I seem to have been ousted from this discussion in favor of speculating about monsters based on a picture, but that's irrelevant. I'm approaching this as an editor, not a fan, which is probably why I seem like a robot. Imagine if a random editor shows up and says "Where's the proof that there are 23 monsters?" What do we say? "We have a blurry image that looks like 23 confirmed monsters and the word of a few editors that there are?" How long would that stand? "Where's the proof that this game is coming out in the fall?" Do we say "One of us vaguely remembers one of the employees saying that, but we don't know where or when." These things have to be backed up with sources. You're now sourcing monsters based on dark pictures, not actually sourced authors saying it? Very encyclopedic.--Clyde (talk) 18:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The most recent archive I could find of the Atari Godzilla site is from April 10. I'm sure that doesn't help. Just64helpin 00:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine "Clyde" if you want to have solid scientific evidence that there are 23 monsters, and the game is releasing in fall, watch the official trailer: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21271.html

As for Biollante "Angry Sun", I think we should wait for more information (beyond a tiny copyright mention) before putting her up as CONFIRMED FOR THE WII. By the way, I do think she'll be in, but she hasn't been confirmed yet, so she doesn't belong in the article yet. Kaiju Corp 03:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Meh... Fine by me.

Anyway... Could someone be a dear and tell me why... EVERYONE IS ADDING GOTENGO AND OTHER MONSTERS!?! I'm freaking out here. And to the IP who keeps changing the GDF. Look at this new trailer. They are called the Global Defense Force. Not Forces... Angry Sun 04:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I added Gotengo under Other Non-Kaiju, you can see him in the trailer.(There is a pic!) We dont know weather or not if she is playable, but we can be sure she is part of the Global Defense Force.SG-17 05:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism... Mis-spelt... Gotengo is a freaking machine!!!!

IT HAS NO GENDER! Angry Sun 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Ships and aircraft are traditionally referred to as a "she", like "Titanic, she was supposed to be unsinkable." SG-17 19:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox, cover art
The image of the G-Fest poster was recently replaced with the mock-up cover. Official promotional material is usually preferred over fan-made boxart. Alternatively, an image of just the logo can be used in lieu of an official cover. Please discuss the matter here, but keep in mind that posting here does not instantly excuse a revert. The key is to attain consensus among other users first. Just64helpin 11:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep posters, ditch crappy mockup.--Marhawkman 11:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I ended up having to revert the a version way before the poster. Vandalism need to be rid of. I can add it back if it isn't already back. Angry Sun 12:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Crystals as the Boundary & Cities
There is no proof that the crysals act as boundary lines, in fact, the rescent trailer has a quick scene that seems to look like an updated version of the green lines from DAMM and StE. I'm not saying that we should replace it with that, because no news has come around about the boundary lines in the first place, I say we just get rid of it until we actually KNOW.

Also, we have three cities confirmed so far: New York, San Francisco, and Sydney. If there is any objection to me adding the arenas, speak now and give a good reason why. (Does anyone have an idea what the city is that has a volcano at its center?)Kaiju Corp 22:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe Mr.Strange said something about Boundaries and Crystals... Or maybe it was Mr. Chris555 who is not a worker at Pipeworks but is working with them to release new info.Angry Sun 23:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The Volcano city seems unkonwn until we get official confirmation, it looks like Chicago but that's speculative. Another confirmed arena is Monster Island and a Crashed Vortakk Ship.(69.119.50.136 00:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)D,D.R.U.S.)

I'd like to see this proof of Mr. Strange saying the crystals were boundaries. And a Crashed Vortaak Ship? While it sounds cool, I see no confirmation. Also, Tokyo was never confirmed. Kaiju Corp 23:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

See the trailer once more. The tiny 1 second scene of Gigan getting hammerfisted by Godzilla 2000 shows the vortakk ship but it's lop sided and it's lodged in a flooded city. (D,D.R.U.S.D,D.R.U.S. 03:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC))

# of kaiju
The article says ten, but only lists nine. The source given right after the 10 statement is the trailer to the video game, and they only list 4 in the trailer. So are there nine or ten? And do we have a source for the #10?-Andrew c [talk] 22:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Nunchuck Required
Is a Nunchuck required for this game, in other words, Do you have to use the nunchuck in order to play because if so, i'm going to be having second thoughts about the game.

Archiving
I think we shoudl start Archiving this Talk page. There's a lot of info here, and it should be archived on a seperate page and made fresh for new talks. --JohnVMaster 22:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * New posts go to the bottom. Just64helpin 23:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)