Talk:Godzilla: Unleashed/Archive 2

Possible Monsters
As far as I know, Wikipedia ain't no Crystal Ball (WP:CRYSTAL) So, why are possible kaiju (monsters, as stated in the article) listed. While useful, this information is only prediction, and as such violates the whole crystal ball policy thing. Could someone clear up if this is untrue?68.55.108.224 01:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's part of the roster of monsters seen in Godzilla: Save the Earth. Most of which were also featured in the Previous game Godzilla: Destroy all monsters melee.--Marhawkman 10:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

please please were doing this beacuse wikipedia isent a crystal ball unconfirmed kaiju are listed on www.tohokingdom.com an honest and all information toho website

People, stop putting the UNCONFIRMED monsters in the "Unspecified factions" list! They were seen at the PAX build yes, but Atari has already stated that they are not all in the game! So until the official reveals are done on either IGN or the official website, don't keep posting otherwise Deej1011 06:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Gotengo verification
I added a verification tag to the listing of Gotengo under a Global Defense Force Kaiju. I believe it is original research to look at a trailer and claim that something that isn't stated or labeled as such is something. I, as a lay reader unfamiliar with the subject, cannot look at the image and say "Oh, that's Gotengo." So an editor, using their personal expertise, if you will, in the subject of Godzilla video games publishing for the first time original information here on wikipedia (that Gotengo is seen in the trailer) is considered original research. Furthermore, how do we know that Gotengo is on the Global Defense Force, or that Gotengo even is a Kaiju in this game? There are numerous issues that a simple citation could easily clear up. It seems like the other kaiju all have citations, so we need one for Gotengo. -Andrew c [talk] 17:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * First that is Gotengo, their is only one battleship in all of godzilla that has a drill and can fire a laser out of it. Second, Why would'nt Gotengo be with the GDF, why would she be with the aliens, mutant, or earth defenders. And third she is not a kaiju, that is why I hap her under a seperate cat, Non-Kaiju.SG-17 20:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:V and please indent your posts with ":" instead of spacing them. Just64helpin 20:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotengo is a battleship from the Toho films Atragon and Godzilla: Final Wars, and is recognizable if one has seen the films. I added it to Unclassified, as it may still be playable. I have added a reference. The trailer shows it fighting Godzilla at around 1 minute 30 seconds. --JohnVMaster 20:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * But how can I verify that it is Gotengo, instead of Rotengo or Gotengo Jr.? There are a bunch of assumptions that are not verifiable if we say "Oh, I saw this movie once and this thing in the trailer sure looks a little bit like this thing in the movie, so obviously it must be the same thing". And you know what, you are probably right, but unfortunately, wikipedia cannot publish individual's hunches. We don't know for a fact that the game developers didn't decide to alter Godzilla continuity, or create a new character with a similar appearance to Gotengo.-Andrew c [talk] 21:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um...no. Atari wouldn't license up a CLONE for a Godzilla Game. They would purchase the original... Angry Sun 15:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah who are rotengo or gotengo jr. anyway?

Who?
Who keeps removing my edit in the DS section about Unplayable characters? It's been stated that they are unplayable bosses in Nintendo Power. --JohnVMaster 23:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Try citing your source within the article itself. Just64helpin 23:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Because we don't need a unplayable list... By the way... Nintendo isn't making this game. So I wouldn't trust anything...Angry Sun 21:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, well, I asked because people added them to the monster list and if they are unplayable I think it would be best to sort them as 'unplayable' or remove them. And I don't think Nintendo would go up and downright lie about it either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.61.220 (talk) 15:36, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Godzilla: Unleashed DS
The title for the DS version is confirmed by ERSB to be Godzilla Unleashed: Double Smash. Should we state this in the article some where?
 * It is already in the "Nintendo DS differences" section. BTW, is the title Godzilla Unleashed: Double Smash or Godzilla: Unleashed Double Smash? If it's the former, shouldn't the Wii version be Godzilla Unleashed without the ":"? Just64helpin 20:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It's the former. No, it shouldn't be without the ":" because that's its proper name (although that doesn't make much since.). Mariofan 22:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that the official Atari site lists "Godzilla Unleashed" without the colon. This is perplexing. Just64helpin 23:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Can someone tell Angry Sun that Godzilla: Unleashed and Godzilla: Unleashed Double Smash are completely different? The DS version has a different name than the Wii version. Domination! (the Game Boy Advance version of Destroy All Monsters Melee) and Destroy All Monsters Melee are different. How can he not understand this? --Naruto134 00:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed Arenas and their Disaster
So I was thinking we should list the cities that we know are in the game, and also list what disaster has occured in that city (since the Post-Apocalyptic feel will be rather important.) So far we have:

New York: Meteor Shower San Francisco: Earthquake Sydney: Atomic Winter Seattle: Volcano Eruption Monster Island: Unknown/Normal

I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm not all that great with sourcing things, so could someone help out and finish the job?

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/881/881519/imgs_1.html = San Francisco Info, and Seattle Info.

www.godzilla.com = Shows Sydney with Snowcover.Kaiju Corp 21:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ah who know haha what? wheres tokyo it was announced confirmed!

I asked for this confirmation once, but I never got it. So, can anybody give to me a link? Kaiju Corp 02:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Obsidius
Who confirmed Obsidius was an Earth Defender? --98.193.61.220 15:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * who would hes known to be evil himself so he should be put under mutants —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smashinglegs (talk • contribs).

Shouldn't Krystalak be an alien? Seeing, that IGN said that he origianted from a meteor from outer space.

Obsidius should be under unknown but Krystalak is mentioned on IGN as not part of a fraction so it can not be placed under the other groups but it can't be placed under unknown either because we know it is fractionless. Superx 02:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't based on what is "known", but on what is verifiable. Please choose better wording when editing. Just64helpin 10:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Zilla?
A friend of mine said he saw early designs of Zilla being in Unleashed. My friends doesn't lie and I wonder if what he said was true. --Naruto134 00:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

well i can understand he dosent lie but maybe thats just unconfirmed artwork or maybe he mixed it up with artwork from save the earth in any case wikipedia should wait until eithier tohokingom or atari announces zilla

Obsidius, Krystalak, and the Mutant faction
Who are the idiots that keep putting Krystalak and Obsidius in the Mutants faction? They aren't confirmed okay, and Krystalak is said to be in no I mean NO faction at all! Why doesn't anyone understand this? It's that simple. --Naruto134 00:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Krystalak is now confirmed. Desert Spada 00:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where? Please cite your sources -- see WP:CITE. Just64helpin 00:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN has bios for him and some other characters and they said that Krystalak is fractionless thats the source for this info even though I don't know the weblisting. Even though I'm not as mad as Naruto134 I agree that those two do not belong in the mutant group or at the very least Krystalak doesn't, I'm not going to state that Obsidius doesn't because they haven't revealed which group he's in if he is in one at all but Krystalak has been confirmed to not be in any fraction at all. Hope that cleared things up, Superx 02:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Krystalak IS in the mutant faction, the site has updated with him in it, however, Obsidious is still unknown. KingKon97 06:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Like KingKon97 said, it's on the Official Website. Desert Spada 18:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The Vehicles section
Will someone tell SG-17 that the Vehicles section is not needed. Who cares if the vehicles did damage to the kaiju? They aren't important enough to have a section. --Naruto134 00:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd rather have the WP:MOS-abiding version than continously fix a replaced one. Just64helpin 19:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What's that supposed to mean? --Naruto134 00:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Users keep capitalizing things that aren't supposed to be, linking to plural versions of wikiarticle names, etc. On second thought, the vehicle list aren't sourced, so it should be removed. Just64helpin 19:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hold on I will gather the sources. SG-17 20:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * VTOL Plane [1][2]
 * Attack Helicopter [1]
 * Tanks [1]
 * Artillery [1]
 * Gotengo [1]
 * There yah go, sources for each vehicle SG-17 20:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Try adding them to the actual article. Just64helpin 20:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please stop linking to the plural forms of vehicles. Just64helpin 20:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Naruto134 stop removing the Vehicles section, it has sources, and it doesnt matter if you think its not important, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and therefore must contain facts not opinion, it is a fact that the vehicles are in the game, so there is no reason to remove it. SG-17 21:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Biollante UNLEASHED
Look on Tohomonsters.com and the photos of G:U. It has finally come. Desert Spada 01:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume the link will be included alongside any future contributions to the wikiarticle? Just64helpin 01:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the link. http://www.tohokingdom.com/vg/godzilla_unleashed/images/cc_bio.htm or http://www.tohokingdom.com/vg/godzilla_unleashed/images.htm adn also, if you are still not convinced, here she is at the Unleashed section,http://www.tohokingdom.com/vg/godzilla_unleashed/images/cc_demo.htm Desert Spada 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We cant be sure yet, we dont know if it is biollante so it would be speculation, the image and info on the comic-con could be added.SG-17 03:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's Biollante alright. No other Kaiju looks like that. Anyway, I suspect that she may be revealed next. We'll see. Desert Spada 22:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * come on! the only one with the look of biollante is made by a user FAN ART! there probedly working hard on biollante but SHE IS NOT CONFIRMED! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smashinglegs (talk • contribs).
 * Could you type in a manner that is easier to read? Also, who said she is confirmed? I think you are getting some things mixed up because your reply makes no sense. Please explain. Desert Spada 04:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Rewritten Story?
A couple days ago someone rewrote the story section into something unencyclopedic and unreferenced (here). Would someone be willing to rewrite this so it's....you know....well written? The reference was also removed, which is.

Any help would be nice. If nobody wants to rewrite it, I'll just put in the old story.--Clyde (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I put the old story back in because it was pretty much perfect, apart from a few things about Krystalak (which are now outdated) and some unreferenced notes on Obsisius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaiju Corp (talk • contribs).

Weekly?
What happened to monsters being confirmed weekly? IGN said monsters are to be confirmed weekly? What's going on? --Naruto134 00:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It was likely a mistake on IGN's part, as the Producer of GZ3 has now confirmed that Monster Reveals will happen every "couple of weeks". 166.70.2.69 02:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Speculation again?
Why suddenly have all these unreferenced monsters popped up? I think unless they have a source we remove them on site. I guess IGN would be preferable, but Toho Kingdom should work just as well. Thoughts? I think it would be a good goal to remove all speculation from this article.--Clyde (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck on that... Just64helpin 16:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Are we having anon problems again?--Clyde (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Known but not officially revealed
Recently at the Penny Arcade expo, one of Toho Kingdom's contributors took some shots and talked to the guys running the demo, confirming quite a few characters as definitely playable and quite a few more as probably playable. Should we throw in the ones from at least the first link under "Faction unknown?" Thanos6 17:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I personally think so. --98.193.61.220 18:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

NO because they have not been officially revealed, and Atari has stated that due to some changes, not all may show up... Deej1011 06:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Restoring content
Why were all the new monsters removed? --Naruto134 00:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone also removed the PlayStation 2 info and added a link to the letters "DS". May the content be restored? Just64helpin 00:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * [one intermediate post was removed]
 * DS isn't the correct link, in any case. The inclusion (or exclusion) of Nintendo DS info can wait until the unblock. Just64helpin 10:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why was it shut down in the first place?--Clyde (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

More than 23 monsters?
I have a feeling there's going to be more than 23 monsters. I know all the old monsters will return but then there'll be more than 23. Does Obsidius and Krystalak count? --Naruto134 00:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude no offense, but unless you are the editor of a newspaper, we can't spec.--Clyde (talk) 23:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the total Number is already 19(More than StE), not including those that were mentioned in the Copyright at PAX, if you add those you get 25, but Battra and Varan my just be Summonable and not playable though, so it may also be 23. I still think it will go over 23. i still hope Zilla is in Unleashed, that would be Smurf! Quez 00:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC) I'm not specing, I was asking a question, use your head. --Naruto134 00:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Clyde who do you think you are, Naruto? See what I did there, linking Naruto134 to the actual character's (lacking) personality trait? :P Nevermind ....anyway why is there a character list here (or any list for that matter)? There's one here too. So, I guess no one here is planning to get this to GA, or to at least make it look like one?  FMF  14:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Proof to keep all monsters except for Obsidius OUT for the moment
As stated on tohokingdom, where many people are getting the "unconfirmed faction" monsters (who really are not confirmed AT ALL yet...)

"In this regard, I would also like to say something about the report. I have been communicating with Atari throughout this project to bring you the latest news and updates. Although I'm sure Jordan Thill was reporting things accurately insofar as what he actually saw from the demo - I can confirm from my own connections that at least some of this information is inaccurate compared with what will go into the final release. Please keep in mind that this is an unofficial report of a demo build, and specifically does not confirm any particular monster or feature for the game. I'll repeat again that I know at least some of the information in this report to falsely reflect the reality of the game. So please keep this in mind, as the title is still in development."

This proves that until either IGN or Atari reveal the monster renders, no one except for Obsidius should be added Deej1011 23:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)