Talk:Gogeta

Gogeta VS Vegetto?
Actually Gogeta is formed by the use of the fusion dance while Potara earrings are used for Vegetto's superior powerlevel is only a result of the fact that he appears later on when both Goku's and Vegeta's powerlevels are higher.


 * Do you mean Vegeto is formed by the use of the ear rings? Vegeto - ear ring; Gogeta - fusion dance.

And no, Vegetto is simply a more powerful fusion. potarra ear rings let you reach the highest level both have reached. When Goten and Trunks fuse, they have to relearn how to go Super Saiyan while in fused form. This mistake is made countless times in this article, along with other groundless speculation.

Actually, the ear ring is not more powerful, just more effective as it does not have a time limit. I believe the elder Kaioshin did state that. There's also no solid proof that the highest SSJ level they can reach via earring fusion is the one that both users can use. There was no need for Vegitto to turn SSJ3 at all, as he was powerful enough to beat Super Buu already in SSJ2.

That line about the dance not allowing access to all of the users techniques is groundless. There's nothing to suggest they don't know their old moves or can't recall them. In fact Gotenks has even more moves than either of his bases.

I really think that Vegetto actually resembles Goku more than Vegeta, and likewise Gogeta is more like Vegeta. This is because Gogeta has a widow's peak, as well as the hair is in his pattern of flared backwards. Vegetto's face is more similar to Goku's as it doesn't have a widow's peak and also has separate locks of hair. And I do believe that Gogeta isn't as strong as Vegetto considering that Goku has to match Vegeta's (lower) power level for a sucessful fusion. Vegetto is formed when the two power up to their highest level.

can someone explain why is inferior to vegeto?

gogeta in dragonball GT is far more stronger than vegeto who appeared in Z

Actually it is stated that Protara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance, not just the time limit advantage, the fusion is more powerful. but the major floor to it is once transed it cannot be reverted from that transformation which is stated by elder kai, the super saiyan 4 fusion is stronger than the protara fusion from the buu saga but that is due to increased power through time, if they fused then with protara that fusion would be as strong but not able to beat it as the protara fusion would not go ssj4 because if they became tired they would be unable to revert from the higher levels of super saiyan

Hey, wouldn't Gogeta SSJ be canon to GT since Vegeta knew the fusion dance in GT without practicing?

^^you guys need to use the four tildes (~) after your done. Vegetto has a better fusion build up, he used the earrings instead of the dance. Old Kai might be exagerating, but he said ther earrings were a hundred times better. The earrings are undoubtedly better, the downside being that it is permanant. The earrings (nor the dance) don't simply combine the two's powers in one body-- both enhance the sum by an unknown factor, creating a super powered warrior. The earrings have a higher factor. True, Goku and Vegeta were stronger in GT, but we're talking about on an even playing field. Vegetto is superior to Gogeta, and if they used the earrings against Janemba or Li Shenlong they would've been more powerful than Gogeta. Vegetto is superior, but since there are unknown factors, we don't know exactly how strong each fusor was. P.S. 4(~) does this: 01:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with saying that Vegitto looks more like Goku and Gogeta looks more like Vegeta. Your only saying that because Gogeta has a widows peak but that doesn't mean he looks like him. The reason why he has a widows peak is because it was physical appearance from both of them in Gogeta and in Vegito. I like to think that the twos appearances mirror each other and if you look at the them you'll understand why. Gogeta has the facial structure of Goku but his hair is more like Vegetas but with one bang that looks kind of like goku at super saiyan 2 and has the skin tone of goku. Vegito like I said is the opposite his hair resembles more of Goku's as a super saiyan but his facial structure is again more like vegetas and has his skin tone. Oh and without a dought Gogeta is canon doesn't matter that he doesn't appear in the manga he was designed personally by the writter, who's name I always forget and even when I remember end up misspelling ( I'm not japanese ), of the manga and I am pretty sure that he intended for Gogeta to make an appearance but never did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.219.77 (talk) 06:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

thanks for the clarification

Yup, no problem. Thanks for asking. Remember the 4 tildes (~), you should use them whenever you are posting on discussion pages. You don't have this or something similar after your post: Infinare 02:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Calling Goku and Vegeta the "greatest Saiyans ever" sounds more than a little biased. Some may argue that Broly is better due to his innate power. Obviously our two heroes go on to surpass him, but the definition of greatness is to loose to be sold as a factual title nonetheless.

ha vegito is so much stronger anyway because in GT they have higher power levels than regular series, vegito as super vegito could roast the shit out of ss4 gogeta with a finger.

How's this instead: End Transmission Therefore Gogeta is better.

Gogeta and Vegetto are equally the same. Goku does not have to lower his power level when they are fusing in their base form because both Goku and Vegeta are equally strong. The only reason why Trunks has to lower his power level when he was fusing with Gotenks was because Trunks was older then Goten and he was training with Vegeta meanwhile Goku was dead when Goten was born and Gohan didn’t do much training himself let alone train his younger brother. It’s true that for potara fusion to work two fusees don’t have to lower their power levels in order to fuse and the time limit is an hour long compared to dance fusion which is only half an hour. But keep in mind Vegito also defused within 10 minutes when he was in his Blue form. And it has been shown in Dragon Ball Super: Broly the dance fusion lasted longer then 10 minutes. So in conclusion both Vegito and Gogeta are on the same power level due to their fusees being equally the same. Just because Goku has more transformations doesn’t make him stronger then Vegeta.

Article Cleanup

 * Wiki-star: This article if very disorganized. I know alot about Gogeta, but i have never watched his movie fight with Janemba. I need more information on that fight befor i myself can begin to clean up and organize this article. Until then, i would really hope if anyone would like to volunteer in helping cleaning this artilce and organize it better. Thanks!

Wiki-star 04:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just re-organised most of this article as best I can. As i have yet to see Movie 12 and DBGT Episode 60, would it be okay if someone could add to those sections, as well as pictures for the special abilities. If anyone wishes to change this material for the better, go straight ahead

Brad92 10:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone really needs to fix the grammar in this page. 67.68.12.31 23:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to clean all of your questions up:

1.) The Potara Earrings are a stronger fusion than the Fusion Dance. 2.) Gogeta (Movie 12) is stronger than Vegetto because Goku and Vegeta both fused at SS2's. And, Vegetto's highest form is Super Saiyan. So, they're powers are pretty close. (But when Gogeta turns SS4, it's no contest.)


 * Just keep in mind, Vegetto didn't use a higher form because he didn't need to. Why strain your body and increase the drain on your ki for no reason? He had Buu 100% outclassed as it was. Seeing as how Potara is more potent than the dance, and the dance allows it's users, with practice, to use any powers they both had and to easily learn new techs/transformations...well it would be ludicrous to assume that the potara wouldn't allow them to do the same. Onikage725 02:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Does the article really need a section on Gogeta's appearance? There is a picture of him on there so you can already see what he looks like. Besides, describing how he looks is really more a matter of opinion, anyway. The writer/s of that section beleive he looks like "far more" like Goku, but I think that he actually ressembles Vegeta more prominently. The widows peak, the triangular shape of his hair, the slanted eyes and eyebrows, and his overall stance makes me beleive he looks like Vegeta.


 * I agree. It should be the other way around. Vegetto looks like Goku and Gogeta looks lke Vegeta. If were going to keep "Appearance", it should be switched. Sasuk  e  -kun  27  21:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really. It's POV. Best to not mention it at all.-- Koji Dude  (viva la BAM!) 22:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 2
There should be no Super Saiyan 2 section. At all. It is pure speculation and false facts. Stop adding it. --KojiDude (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Canon?
It is stated that Gogeta is not considered to be canonical. While he never appears in DBZ, he does appear in GT. Dragon Ball GT is an extension, or like the next season after DBZ, so I don't see why Gogeta is not canonical. If anyone can explain this to me, then please do.

Stop saying GT is non-canon, fans can have their own opinions but just because a majority of the fans don't consider it canon doesn't it make it non-canon. Even with numerous plot-holes it is still canon, like Gohan turning super saiyan, whoever said he couldn't? Elder Kai just said he wouldn't have to and I personally consider Gogeta canon because Vegeta knew the fusion dance in GT.

Akira Toriyama, the CREATOR of Dragonball it its entirety, stated once that GT is not canon. GT is not canon. Stop saying it’s canon.

With the appearance of Gogeta in the new Dragon Ball Super: Broly movie, he is now officially confirmed canon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:4280:6DC0:359E:62DE:E4E3:F7F4 (talk) 17:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC) -Ham Oct 2 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.160.194.5 (talk) 18:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Pilaf was alive. He couldn't have been alive due to the fact that Buu blew up the whole planet. When Dende wished for the people of Earth to come back to life, he wished for only the good guys to return. Unless you have proof that Pilaf was somewhere else at the time of the explosion and didn't die, Goku couldn't have been wished into a kid and none of this would have happened. Sasuke-kun  27  20:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Sasuke-kun, your entire argument is literally nothing more than an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy lmfao, MUH EVIDENCE, IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN WRONG YET SO IT CAN'T BE TRUE! Pilaf could've been anywhere else, could've survived the explosion, could've been brought back by someone else/via another method, who knows? it's Dragon Ball for fuck's sake, plot holes and deus ex machinas abound in the anime and the manga! but just because no has pinpointed how he survived, it's completely impossible for him to have survived? a fallacious argument if ever I've seen one, just like every single "GT IS NON CANON" cookie cutter argument I see on the web 2602:306:C516:690:414:8999:F479:FDD9 (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC) EDIT: I can't believe I'm replying to a 9 year old post 2602:306:C516:690:414:8999:F479:FDD9 (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Who detrermines whether or not a series is cannon? Not that I'm taking sides, of course. I simply am curious about it. Is it the fan base who gets to decide or is it the creator of the show?


 * If I'm correct, the original creator. Sasuk  e  -kun  27  23:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sasuke is right. The creator decides what is canon, and if the creator dies, whomever holds the most rights to the show decides.-- Koji Dude  23:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Look at me replying to this post nearly 12 years later. I didn’t even notice that it was almost 12 years but whatever. Also didn’t Akira Toriyama say that GT is canon? I’m not even sure about that. Well I know that Gogeta is not canon but the idea of Goku and Vegeta using the fusion dance is technically canon. Oh and also the four tildes or whatever they are. 72.68.228.172 (talk) 07:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * How could Gogeta possibly be canon if his story dont fit in anywhere. Take Fusion Reborn for instance. It's supposedly set during the buu saga right after Goku goes back to the afterlife.How could Goku be in a tournament when we see him, in the series and manga, go straight to King Yemma's office. Secondly, wouldnt Goten and Trunks be busy perfecting fusion or atleast be fighting Buu? Next, how the hell can Gohan be on earth when he's supposed to be on Supreme Kias planet, training with the z-sword? None of it fits with the series. And as Sasuke-kun and KojiDude stated, theres no way Pilaf could be alive! So how the hell can Gogeta be considered canon when his story dont fit in with the series. Also how does hitler fit into all this?-138.88.90.164 08:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

First of, calm down. It's okay, we're just disscussing it. I was simply curious to as to whether or not Gogeta was cannon, and was reffering more to the GT saga rather than the movie that Gogeta is showed in. But, I guess that with all the technical errors, then he must not be cannon. Allthough, it would be possible for Gogeta to be a real character. Since he is formed from Goku and Vegeta doing the fusion dance, he can be made. Just 'cause they never show them fusing in that way doesn't mean that it's not possible. However, I guess that is just speculation and you cant' officially call him cannon if he never appeares in a cannonical series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.114.111.187 (talk • contribs)


 * Sorry. I am calm, now. Your right. They could've done it.-138.88.90.164 22:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Veku?
Why is Fat Gogeta called "Veku" in the article? Only one person referred to Fat Gogeta as "Veku" which was South Kaio who was being facetious at the time. The term "Veku" suggests the Vegeta is dominant in that fusion form, which is not true. It is still Gogeta because Goku is still dominant in the botched version. It's just a botched Gogeta.

I suggest that he should be referred to as "Fat Gogeta" as he most commonly is amongs DBZ fans. Full Shunyata 05:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

... kinda old but... How does the name 'Veku' imply the Vegeta is dominant?... Does Gotenks imply that goten is dominant? (always seemed the opposite, Gotenks seemed to act more like Trunks to me)

Um not true at all when they fused into the fat version he said his name was Veku it's not a fan term it's his name and he is not gogeta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.219.77 (talk) 05:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Lock
Can this page be temporarily locked until repairs are complete? There appears to have been a recent vandalization of the page. Full Shunyata 21:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah theres somthing weird going on, som1 keeps changing it to Super 5 som1 else keeps changing to super 4 and someone put the truth and it got changed, whats going on here?

Category:Fictional hybrids
Should Gogeta really be in this category? He is a blend of two people, but they're the same species. Vegeta and Goku are both fully Saiyan so Gogeta must be fully Saiyan. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)