Talk:Going, Going, Gone (Grey's Anatomy)

Final sentence of lead
Hello all. Darrenhusted has a problem with the last sentence of the lead (Critics generally regarded "Going, Going, Gone" as disconsolate.). He doesn't seem to understand that it's perfectly acceptable to summarize how critics felt about a television episode. Using an actual adjective written by critics is unnecessary and somewhat redundant. FA's and other quality articles often say things such as "the episode was negatively received" or "the episode was positively received" to sum up the episode. This one was looked upon as sad by critics, so it is summarized as such. You obviously don't need to cite a summary of the critical reviews. The evidence is in the Critical reviews section, where almost every critic acknowledged the episode as sad. "Sad" is not a strong enough term, as judged in the FAC, so the synonym 'disconsolate' is more appropriate. Opinions? Also, Darrenhusted, leave the article as is, because when something is under discussion, the article remains as is until you can get consensus for your change. TRLIJC19 ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The 'critical response' section makes it clear that critics have described the episode as "sad", although a source may be required for clarification if some are questioning it. However, there is a pretty clear convention for the placement of references, typically only applied in an article's body for valid reasons. I'll remain neutral for now. TB randley  (T • C  • B) 23:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

None of the critics use the word 'disconsolate', and while that might sum up the opinions of the critics concerned (in the same way that bad reviews may be called bad, or mixed reviews maybe called mixed) no one critic uses that word, not does it adequately reflect the opinions of the critics as to the quality of the episode (which is usually what is summed up by critics of films and television). And while ledes can be reference free if any user asks for references then quoting policy isn't enough to justify a summation by a user in lieu of a reference. If you want a policy then how about OWN? TRLIJC19, you don't own the article. In the lede it would be more appropriate to say that critics praised the episode or found it to be a terrible episode rather than attempt to (in your own words) sum up the mood. If you want to choose some of the words used by the critics and tag each with a reference (which would be the same used later in the article) then I would be fine with that; what doesn't seem correct is summing up in your own words and not using any reference. I removed it rather than tag it with a CN because the rest of the article is fine, that one sentence needs looking at. Darrenhusted (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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