Talk:Gojira (band)

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To whom it may concern, we are aware that this article has a maintenance tag on it. It was not here when we nominated it and was placed by a copyeditor. We will be happy to comply with whatever recommendations a reviewer makes to correct the problem, and believe that this could be feasibly resolved during the course of the nomination. So please do not see it as grounds for quickfailing - we have worked very hard on improving this article from the shambles it previously was in. Thanks!  danny music editor  oops 04:33, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a reviewer but I'm going to be bold and remove some of the excess citations from the awards and nominations section. Most of them have 2 citations each which is completely unnecessary. Removed almost all the extra citations except for cases where they were just nominated and the article talking about the winners did not mention them at all. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 18:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also removed citations establishing the existence of the award ceremonies themselves. I believe those were perfect examples of WP:REFBOMB. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * An explanatory sentence like "The Revolver Golden Gods Awards is an annual awards ceremony established in 2009 by Revolver magazine." must be supported by a source, even if it does not refer to Gojira. If no ref, a user will add a tag requesting a source. The articles of Queensrÿche and Korn have the same type of content, in fact there is no page for these awards, hence this type of info. For the number of sources per info, this is debatable, but avoid doing massive deletions and talk about it here before. Oroborvs (talk) 20:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * no worries - that's what WP:BRD is about. That said why did you reinstate the redundant citations for the awards themselves? Even the Korn article (the Queensrÿche one is actually missing citations for some of the nominations) you have linked to as a good example has only one citation per award+year combination. We most certainly do not need 2 when one quality source is sufficient. There can definitely be a discussion around which of the two sources is of higher quality and we can then keep that one only. But keeping both seems compeletely unnecessary. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 06:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * as far as the awards missing their own page issue is concerned I propose we tackle it directly. We should at the very least add it as a subsection on the main article. For example there can be a new section on the Loudwire article about their awards. It need not be super detailed right away and we can just start by defining what it is and providing sources for that. We can WP:COPYWITHIN for a start. It would be beneficial for the Loudwire article as well - it is currently a stub. Same can be done for Revolver Golden Gods - and it would be equally beneficial for the Revolver (magazine) article too as it is currently marked as needing citations. Once those are done we can link to the subsection in the main article and remove the citation from here. Two birds one stone etc, etc. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have created a section for the Epiphone Revolver awards on the Revolver (magazine) article and wikilinked from here. If it does not get removed from there we can safely remove the unnecessary citation. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks dude. What I was saying at the outset is that a short explanatory sentence supported by a single source does not hurt, the reader does not know what the "Heavy Music Awards" is, and I do not have time to create a page dedicated to these awards. Sometimes (not always) two sources do the work together (in the awards tables) as with the Metal Hammer Golden Gods Awards (in 2016): Metal Insider announced the nominees and Metal  Hammer only gives the list of winners . You seem more concerned with the award articles than I do and I'd rather you take care of it because now I'm focusing on the citation clutters (over several days) from Gojira's article, keeping one to two per info, no more.
 * Note: in the underground era (1996-2006), there are some interviews by French webzines done backstage after concerts, which could be questionable (VS-Webzine, W-Fenec, Xtazine) but as these are old underground interviews with precise info, it is impossible to find this type of info elsewhere. Oroborvs (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: in the underground era (1996-2006), there are some interviews by French webzines done backstage after concerts, which could be questionable (VS-Webzine, W-Fenec, Xtazine) but as these are old underground interviews with precise info, it is impossible to find this type of info elsewhere. Oroborvs (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Those are fine. If they are interviews with the band members, their word is generally accepted as reliable.  danny music editor  oops 04:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. These sources can also be questionable (myself I judged it as ok):
 * Biography by Hardwired magazine (online magazine) is formerly Nocturne Magazine (a published source). Jadranka Balaš, who wrote Gojira's biography, is a journalist
 * Biography by W-Fenec webzine from France; they did five Gojira interviews. The Webzine (not user generated) stopped in 2012 after 14 years of activity and started publishing in pdf format.
 * Biography by Proximus with extracts from interviews (interesting for Empalot). The biography must come from reliable sources as I see nothing wrong.
 * Metal Rules. A long concert review with photography. Info about the Duplantier brothers who swapped their instruments in concert to play a jam, "Tron". Oroborvs (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Biography by Proximus with extracts from interviews (interesting for Empalot). The biography must come from reliable sources as I see nothing wrong.
 * Metal Rules. A long concert review with photography. Info about the Duplantier brothers who swapped their instruments in concert to play a jam, "Tron". Oroborvs (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Metal Rules. A long concert review with photography. Info about the Duplantier brothers who swapped their instruments in concert to play a jam, "Tron". Oroborvs (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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Lead guitar vs. rhythm guitar
Hi, I'm Oroborvs. I saw your last change in the Members section, you changed Joe Duplantier as the lead guitarist. Where did you get this information? I always had a doubt; when I started expanding the page he was already described as "rhythm guitar" and Andreu as "lead guitarist". Oroborvs (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Legacy: TesseracT and Spiritbox
I've removed these two bands from the influences as the cited articles were only noting some similarities in the opinion of the authors of the article and were not directly reporting on influences. The other bands listed here have citations where one or the other band member is directly confirming the influence in an interview. Feel free to reintroduce these two with better citations that directly mention influence. I tried looking for some but couldn't find any. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The "Gojira-esque pick scrape technique" in Spiritbox music says it all, and Acle Kahney of TesseracT literally said that Gojira and Meshuggah had influenced their album Sonder by touring with them. Oroborvs (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * the pick-scrape observation is not a confirmation of influence (there are other bands that have done pick scrapes even pre-Gojira). That said I'm ambivalent about the way you have rephrased it in the edit to make it clear that it was an observation by an independent commentator and not a confirmation of influence from the band itself. I think that's good enough for me, although I do imagine that some other editors may raise a stink about the notability of the claim. Thank you for updating the TesseracT claim with a better citation. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 06:34, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * About Spiritbox: Guitar World is a published source. About Tesseract: it's a straight quote from an interview taken from MusicRadar. Guitar World and MusicRadar are reliable via WP:RSINSTRUMENTS. Also, I recommend not to edit the text (please) as an administrator has done copy editing over the entire article ; he also saw the wikilinks. Oroborvs (talk) 13:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)