Talk:Goldsmiths, University of London/Archive 1

Library
Someone should write up some information about the library. It has a few claims to fame. For instance, I believe it has the largest audio-visual collection in the UK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElentariAchaea (talk • contribs).

Location of article
Virtually all articles on UK universities are located at the current form of the name the institution uses, particularly University of London colleges. However the Goldsmiths website is not terribly clear as to what the brand name is - the front page alone uses:


 * "Goldsmiths College, University of London" (boiler text, address)
 * "Goldsmiths, University of London" on the current logo
 * "Goldsmiths College" - copyright notice
 * "Goldsmiths" - in the intro text where I'd normally expect to see a full name being used.

The logo is, from what I can tell, a recent change and I'd presume most indicative. Should we move the page to there? Timrollpickering 16:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you look at the properties of the logo in a browser, the alternate text says "Goldsmiths College, University of London", just like the title of the official webpage. In addition, the Communications & publicity department is quite clear:


 * In order to raise our profile within a competitive marketplace, it is important to promote a simple concept which projects Goldsmiths unique characteristics and strengths. This is why we strongly recommend that you use the College’s full title – ie Goldsmiths College, University of London – on all your communication materials – both print and web-based (taken from http://www.goldsmiths.ac.uk/departments/comms-pub/brand.php).


 * So, in any case, this should be moved to Goldsmiths College, University of London.
 * Cheers, Mathlabster 01:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah didn't spot that (although it would help if the college's own website were being as rigid as some others). So Goldsmiths, University of London it should be. If no-one has any objections I'll move the page there in three days. Timrollpickering 02:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved. Timrollpickering 14:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Erm... the site that you linked to now says:


 * Find out more about Goldsmiths' recent rebranding process at: http://www.gold.ac.uk/rebrand/ 


 * Which is a little ambiguous but the rebrand FAQ says:


 * An easy way to immediately adopt the new brand is to make sure you check all your materials (including e-mail signatures) reflects Goldsmiths' name - it is now known as Goldsmiths, University of London. Apart from on formal, legal documents, you should now drop the word 'College' after Goldsmiths.


 * As ever the Goldsmiths' website is not very good at keeping in line! Also:


 * What about the Goldsmiths crest? Is it now obsolete?
 * The crest will be used on official communication such as graduation certificates, for ceremonial purposes, and in sealing official documents. The crest should not be used beyond these purposes. Any copies of the crest held locally should be deleted.


 * Oh boy! Timrollpickering 18:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Argh...what's up with these guys??? Anyways...I suggest keeping it under Goldsmiths College, University of London since it's the formal name. The FAQ says "Apart from on formal, legal documents..." and I believe an encyclopedic entry qualifies as formal, but if someone wants to move the article I won't oppose it. --Mathlabster 01:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Please move it back to Goldsmiths, University of London as per WP:COMMONNAME: "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." and that http://www.goldsmiths.ac.uk/ and http://www.goldsmiths.ac.uk/about/ is now "College" free. -- Jeandré, 2007-03-02t21:59z
 * I have moved it consequent to OTRS Ticket #2007030210014169 HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also see http://www.gold.ac.uk/rebrand/faq.php for details. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Andrea Spinks, alumni
I don't know anything about Andrea Spinks or whether she really went to Goldsmiths, but according to her Wikipedia entry she is a porn-star/glamour model rather than a visual 'artist'. If she belongs among Goldsmiths' notable alumni, then she should be listed correctly. I would have thought she should probably be listed as 'porn-star/glamour model' under 'Performers', or at least as 'model' if she stays under 'Visual Arts'. I will leave it to somebody who knows more about her to re-enter her, if they choose to do so. ThomasL 16:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Logo gsc.jpg
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Proposal to rename Category:Goldsmiths College, University of London to Category:Goldsmiths, University of London
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 17:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

In the light of the rebranding, the proposal also extends to renaming Category:Alumni of Goldsmiths College, University of London, Category:Academics of Goldsmiths College, University of London and Category:People associated with Goldsmiths College, University of London to Category:Alumni of Goldsmiths, University of London, Category:Academics of Goldsmiths, University of London and Category:People associated with Goldsmiths, University of London respectively. Bencherlite 01:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
The whole thing reeks of pro-Goldsmith guff. Did the university press officer write this entry? It couldn't be further up the college's arse if it tried. In particular the research section. Come on Wikipedia lets get an objective article rather than a 'this college is great for x y and z'. If I wanted that i'd look at the uni's corporate communications section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.114.41 (talk) 05:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Isaacbickerstaff316's contributions look like they come from PR dept of Goldsmiths
I do not know if he is employed by them, but he has added lots of unsourced favourable material about them here, and the article is currently unbalanced, in my opinion.Criticality synonymous with art (talk)

I don't get why the Goldsmiths article is a disputed topic. I checked it out and it seems fine. Any college has its strong points. And here it is substantiated by statistics from both RAE and official UK rankings. Why don't we dispute the LSE page, which makes it sound like the coolest uni in the world (although it is doubtful judging from the global rankings). It rather seems to me that the person that suggested that the article is not objective, holds a personal grudge against Goldsmiths. And yeah, I am not an alumni or a student or anything related to Goldsmiths for that matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.129.168.57 (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

WW11 1939 Evacuation of Goldsmiths to Imperial College Nottingham
From my research and actual original art documents of the era, it was only the Faculty for Teacher Training that was evacuated to Imperial College Nottingham in 1939, the Art School remained at the New Cross site, although due to some damage in 1940, and a hit by a V2 in 1944 the college did not resume full activities until 1947. The College has archives of the prospectuses throughout the war years at New Cross for the Art School, which also included evening classes, or "night school". 1907 there was a new Art School building at the back of the main building, the main building was damaged by fire following a bomb explosion in 1940, and the East side of the college was badly damaged following a V2 hit in 1944, which killed between 160, records of the time mention the two V2 bombs. The most devastating bomb damage in New Cross, the direct hit on the New Cross Woolworths store on a Saturday afternoon 25th November 1944 at 12.26 pm, 168 killed and 123 injured, the Coop next door was also destroyed. The passersby and the queues for the saucepans meant there were lots of people in the building having lunch, or shopping, there would have been more casualties fortunately the traffic and trams were delayed, saving many more casualties. V2 flying rocket bombs were the first intercontinental ballistic missiles, the flew high altitude at incredible speeds, rocket speeds, they could hit London from their launch sites in occupied France and Holland in less than ten minutes, they also arrived a huge payload of high explosives and were accurately programmed to be accurate, a devastating weapon.

H.C. Ref: Woolworths museum site www.woolworthsmuseum.co.uk/1940sremembernewcross.htm Ref: Goldsmiths Archives Ref: BBC WWII Peoples War,memories of people who lived in New Cross during the Blitz of 1940/41 and the so called Baby Blitz of 1944 Ref: Bombsight, bombs dropped on New Cross 1940/41 Ref: AIM25, Collective Goldsmiths archives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.151.113 (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

University ratings
(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities. Timrollpickering 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Art & Design
There is no need to list, and link, the cited Top Ten, merely that Goldsmith's ranked 5th. Mongoletsi (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Student Union controversies
Hey, you're comparison with University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana is mistaken. The controversies in that article are all to do with the university itself, not the university's student union. The section on its student government has no controversies detailed and is quite brief. Goldsmith's student union is not the same institution as the university although the two obviously have strong links. The student union has its own article where these controversies are more relevant. Bosstopher (talk) 23:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

1. Finding an example to "fit the mold" is irrelevant, and a proof by example fallacy.

2. There are plenty of other relevant university Wiki articles in which similar national stories have been put on their main page because of the massive amount of attention they have attracted and relevancy to the University's history.

Examples of articles with similar inclusion of student related controversies include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_College_%28Massachusetts%29#Discrimination_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlin_College#Campus_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia#Student_life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University#Recent_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morehouse_College#Student_life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champlain_Regional_College#Distinct_culture_and_traditions

3. You can't all of a sudden, arbitrarily remove this section from the main page after it's been established as part of this article for a long time. These are major, international stories that are highly relevant to a college which has otherwise not received any similar high profile press.

Consequently, if you wish to alter the article you can either fold these relevant stories into the mainpage's history section, as others have done, or summarize the controversies and link to the separate page. We all know that removing the stories entirely is a part of a agenda to make them disappear.

It could be given it's own section on the mainpage like "Campus Culture" as was done in Oberlin College's article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlin_College#Campus_culture  Or a separate section for controversies on the mainpage like like Gordon College's wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_College_%28Massachusetts%29#Discrimination_controversy

Thesqueegeeman (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey . First of all, as I have told you before, I am not making these stories "disappear entirely" I have just moved them to Goldsmiths Students' Union where they are more relevant. Secondly, only the Bahar Mustafa story was really both "major" and "international." The other two stories recieved a small amount of coverage. Perhaps a one sentence summary of the Bahar Mustafa even should be included but I do not see why more should. Also things haven't been "established as part of this article" what's happened is that random people have dropped by and tacked on a bit about the recent student union controversy, often in a way that distorts the sources used. There has been no extensive discussions about what should and should not be on this page. I did not remove the content arbitarily, (indeed it wasn't removed at all just moved) I did so because i believe it doesnt belong in this article. Bosstopher (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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