Talk:Goliad Campaign

Texans or Texians?
Which is it? The article seems to use both interchangeably...

Dblecros 01:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "Texians" was the original word for people from Texas, but other people found it hard to pronounce and they changed it to "Texans." I think the change happened when Texas joined the US, and other states could not pronounce the word, but I'm not sure. Cloudbreath9 (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Names of those massacred at Goliad
Is there a list of the men who were captured and killed? A link to it would be helpful even if for some reason the list could not be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.29.209 (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Outline for revamp
My ideas of how to reorganize the article; other input welcome. Karanacs (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Background
 * 1835 - Santa Anna turned Centralist, revoked the Const of 1824, revolts inside Mexico put down brutally, Texians kicked out the soldiers
 * 1836 -
 * Santa Anna begins gathering troops for his Army. Tornel Decree.
 * Matamoros Expedition meant troops under Grant and Johnson. Fannin's role.  Texas government functionally shut down.  Rumors of Mexican troops on the way ignored.
 * Tons of people from the US flocking to Texas to fight - no horse in this race
 * Importance of the coast - supplies, easier to communicate with Mexican interior, etc.
 * many centralist supporters along the Gulf Coast - San Patricio Irish Catholics, large Tejano population in Refugio and Goliad


 * Prelude
 * Houston manages to dissuade most of the Matamoros guys and they join up with Fannin
 * Grant and Johnson take the rest of their volunteers into Tamaulipas to look for horses
 * Urrea crosses over on Feb 18; Urrea has convinced the federalists in Matamoros not to support the Texians and double agents tell Grant and Johnson that the revolt is still on


 * neutralize Matamoros Expedition
 * Battle of San Patricio
 * Battle of Agua Dulce


 * Refugio
 * Citizens want to leave - Lewis Ayers begs Fannin for help
 * Fannin sends King and then Ward to Refugio to help, they are stupid
 * Battle of Refugio


 * Coleto
 * Fannin delays delays delays
 * Finally tries to leave, poor planning, poor decision making
 * Caught on a field, battle of Coleto
 * differing intepretations of surrender terms
 * marched back to Goliad


 * Massacre
 * Other people taken prisoner at Copano and marched to Goliad
 * Urrea doesn't want to kill them all
 * Santa Anna orders otherwise
 * some spared, some escape, everyone else killed


 * Aftermath
 * Urrea was the only Mexican general to win; did not want to retreat after San Jacinto
 * Santa Anna faced a tribunal over the massacre and the Alamo
 * Tornel decree rescinded when massacre news reached Mexico
 * huge outpouring of criticism everywhere - convinced more Americans to come fight in Texas