Talk:Gonzales–Rosewall rivalry

Around 1958 I went to the Los Angeles Tennis Club to watch round-robin matches that the Kramer pros were putting on. I've found documentation for this tournament somewhere but I can't be bothered to find it again. One of the two days that I attended, I watched Gonzales, at night, beat Rosewall. I was impressed by Rosewall, who, against Gorgo's overwhelming serve, stood about 3 feet inside the baseline to return it. He returned it, but still lost. So this is a match that, when documented, should be entered.... Hayford Peirce (talk) 02:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

a listing of match results by court surface?
After watching Nadal win his 11th French Open, I became curious about how Gonzales did against Rosewall on clay. Gonzales never won a major title on clay, I think, except maybe in doubles, and Rosewall was terrific on clay. I've just glanced at the rivalry results in this article and was surprised to see that Gorgo more than held his own on clay over the first years. It was only towards the end that Kenny was winning just about every time. Not always, but mostly.

We don't have the surface for all 201 matches, but we do have a lot of them. I could try breaking them down. What do you think? Hayford Peirce (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Certainly, Hayford, a breakdown would be fine, feel welcome to do it. Krosero (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Righto, I'll do it in the next couple of days. And thanks for all the great work you've put into this article! Hayford Peirce (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Looking good Krosero (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I just added them all up and I got 117 for Gorgo and 86 for Kenny. Grrrrrrrrr! I must have double-counted one at some point. I'll have to go back and recount them. But I'll start with the surface with the lowest numbers.... Hayford Peirce (talk) 21:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just went over all the "Unknown" surfaces -- it's still a total of 10 matches, with Kenny leading 6-4. More tomorrow. Hayford Peirce (talk) 17:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just went over the "carpet" entries. I had over-counted Kenny before. He won 7 matches, not 8, and the total is 11, not 12. Hayford Peirce (talk) 18:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just went over all the "hard" surface results -- no change, it's still Gorgo 10 to 7. Hayford Peirce (talk) 03:11, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Did the "wood" results twice more, and it still seems to be Gorgo at 13-12. Hayford Peirce (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Did the "clay" results and nothing changes, with Ken still leading 16-12, after Gorgo had won the first seven on clay. Hayford Peirce (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Did the "grass" results again and this time got Gorgo with 22 wins instead of 23. So everything is now OK. Hayford Peirce (talk) 00:12, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Discrepancy somewhere in my figures for matches on different surfaces
I've just spent a *long* going over the matches played on canvas, and I'm *pretty* certain that they're correct, having checked and rechecked and gone through the list several times. I get the same results as currently shown: they played 76 matches and Gorgo won 51 to 25.

I then put in the results for the seven kinds of surfaces they played on, including including 10 for "unknown" and added them up. I did this *three* times. And I now get results of 85 victories for Ken and 117 for Gorgo. This is one more victory for Gorgo somewhere along the line, and it pushes the total matches figure to 202.

So obviously something is wrong somewhere along the line -- it looks as if I have counted an extra victory for Gonzales that shouldn't be there. (By the way, I checked to make sure that the numbering in the left-hand column, 1 through 201, was correct, and it seems to be.)

Sometime I will try to find the energy to go over all of these figures one more time, but it's certainly a tedious process! I'll try to find some other way of tallying the various surfaces that will give me the correct figures. In the meantime, I am leaving the page as it is.

If you have any suggestions, I would be very happy to see them! Hayford Peirce (talk) 17:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see from reviewing the section just above this one that I did NOT review the grass court results. I will definitely do that soon. Hopefully the error will turn up in there. Hayford Peirce (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Found the discrepancy. It was, as I had hoped, in the Grass figures. Gorgo won 22 matches, not 23 as I had said before. So the total matches now come to the correct figure of 201. Hayford Peirce (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)